calling all tree hugging 2 ply splitting eco nuts

[stdreb27]

So I have a question, this i really don't get.
Why is plastic bags better than paper.
Think about it.
1.
Plastic is not bio-degradable. It ends up in oceans choking fish.
Paper is bio-degradeable. Paper just rots. You could put it in a mulch pile...
2.
Plastic is made from oil.
Paper is a renewable resource.
You're green nuts like stuff like bamboo floors. Why not make paper bags out of that or pine or something that you can turn around in just a few years.
and now you have those silly bags you have to buy, and they are plastic too, made out of water bottles or coke bottles. (all it is, is another petroleum product)
But I can't hardly go into a store and get a paper bag. It is only plastic. I don't get why paper got the ax and not plastic.
Please explain.

 

[t316]

I thought it was vise/versa....tree huggers prefer paper over plastic

Anyhow...my wife has gone to the re-usable "cloth" bags now. Not that we are tree huggers or anything (unless it involves getting into my tree stand

) but that's what she uses now.

 

[meowzer]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3052068
I thought it was vise/versa....tree huggers prefer paper over plastic

Anyhow...my wife has gone to the re-usable "cloth" bags now. Not that we are tree huggers or anything (unless it involves getting into my tree stand

) but that's what she uses now.
But they are so little....I saw them at Walmart....forget how much they cost, and I was thinking what am I going to put in one a gallon of milk and a twinkie

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3052072
But they are so little....I saw them at Walmart....forget how much they cost, and I was thinking what am I going to put in one a gallon of milk and a twinkie

No, the one's my wife got from the grocery store are >>>> I don't know, they could hold about 3 gal of milk. It's like a tote bag with 2 straps. They are much bigger than a plastic bag, but smaller that the "old style" paper bag.
Let me put this in "meowzer" terms....they could hold about 4 cats...

 

[meowzer]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3052078
No, the one's my wife got from the grocery store are >>>> I don't know, they could hold about 3 gal of milk. It's like a tote bag with 2 straps. They are much bigger than a plastic bag, but smaller that the "old style" paper bag.
Let me put this in "meowzer" terms....they could hold about 4 cats...

well I never see anything but the little ones

what drives me crazy is when they put ONE thing to a bag.....WHO needs 20 bags...I always take them out and combine them...you would think they would know by now

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3052079

well I never see anything but the little ones

what drives me crazy is when they put ONE thing to a bag.....WHO needs 20 bags...I always take them out and combine them...you would think they would know by now

Honestly, I wouldn't know....Wifey handles the shopping. My personal experiences at the grocery store only requires one hand = fist on case, other hand has truck keys

 

[reefraff]

Just another example demonstrating the environmental movement isn't about doing good for the environment.

 

[bionicarm]

I remember hearing the Texas State Legislature trying to pass a law mandating that plastic bags could no longer be used. Pretty much had to go with the reuseable cloth bags. The local WalMarts and HEB (local grocery store chain) are in the process of phasing out the plastic. If you don't bring some kind of 'carrier' with you to the store to take home your products, you'll be forced to buy new bags.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3052099
I remember hearing the Texas State Legislature trying to pass a law mandating that plastic bags could no longer be used. Pretty much had to go with the reuseable cloth bags. The local WalMarts and HEB (local grocery store chain) are in the process of phasing out the plastic. If you don't bring some kind of 'carrier' with you to the store to take home your products, you'll be forced to buy new bags.
I've heard of some cities trying to do the same thing. I guess they will have to be hemp bags because cotton farming is killing the planet

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3052099
I remember hearing the Texas State Legislature trying to pass a law mandating that plastic bags could no longer be used. Pretty much had to go with the reuseable cloth bags. The local WalMarts and HEB (local grocery store chain) are in the process of phasing out the plastic. If you don't bring some kind of 'carrier' with you to the store to take home your products, you'll be forced to buy new bags.
In all my time shopping for food, I've only seen one person bring their own bags.
I knew they did that in san fran but I didn't know someone had proposed it in texas.

 

[bionicarm]

This is what I read back in March:
You could soon be penalized for using a plastic bag to carry home your groceries.
Texas House Bill 1361 calls for a 7-cent tax on plastic bags.
The Dallas representative who filed the bill says the goal is to encourage people to use reusable shopping bags.
That representative also says reducing the number of bags passed out at stores would help cut down on litter.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3052194
This is what I read back in March:
You could soon be penalized for using a plastic bag to carry home your groceries.
Texas House Bill 1361 calls for a 7-cent tax on plastic bags.
The Dallas representative who filed the bill says the goal is to encourage people to use reusable shopping bags.
That representative also says reducing the number of bags passed out at stores would help cut down on litter.
fortunately it got lost in bill purgatory...
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLoo...1R&Bill=HB1361
Thank god the tex legislature only meets every other year.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3052068
I thought it was vise/versa....tree huggers prefer paper over plastic

Anyhow...my wife has gone to the re-usable "cloth" bags now. Not that we are tree huggers or anything (unless it involves getting into my tree stand

) but that's what she uses now.
Then why do you only see plastic bags?

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3052495
Then why do you only see plastic bags?
I don't know. Yes, I agree that 90% of groceries that leave the store go out in plastic bags, but I was just commenting on what I thought tree huggers would prefer. Yes, they want to save the trees (thus no paper bags), but I think the majority of them are for saving the landfills (thus no plastic).

 

[uneverno]

Well, here's yet another issue that most cause heads don't think through before they spew their crap.
The production of a paper bag produces on the order of 3x the GHG's that a plastic bag does. OTOH, the paper is biodegradeable, the plastic is not.
Local coffee shops have switched from styrofoam to paper under cause head pressure. Styrofoam is recyclable, paper made for holding hot liquids is not...
It's a far more complicated issue than most people are willing to think through, 'cuz that'll take time from American Idol or some 'thing'.
I hate those people, and I think I've pretty well established myself as a tree hugging liberal.
Take a look at PETA, for example. Do any of the kids running around yelling Meat is Murder realize that PETA's Senior VP is a diabetic who takes pig derived insulin?
Friggin idiots give we liberals a bad name.
The best solution is IKEA's. Bags are for sale if you didn't bring your own.
Now go buy a Brita™ and stop throwing yer Dasani™ bottles on my lawn!

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3052542
I don't know. Yes, I agree that 90% of groceries that leave the store go out in plastic bags, but I was just commenting on what I thought tree huggers would prefer. Yes, they want to save the trees (thus no paper bags), but I think the majority of them are for saving the landfills (thus no plastic).
That is the point of this thread. I don't understand..
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3052611
Well, here's yet another issue that most cause heads don't think through before they spew their crap.
The production of a paper bag produces on the order of 3x the GHG's that a plastic bag does. OTOH, the paper is biodegradeable, the plastic is not.
It's a far more complicated issue than most people are willing to think through, 'cuz that'll take time from American Idol or some 'thing'.
I hate those people, and I think I've pretty well established myself as a tree hugging liberal.
Take a look at PETA, for example. Do any of the kids running around yelling Meat is Murder realize that PETA's Senior VP is a diabetic who takes pig derived insulin?
Friggin idiots give we liberals a bad name.
The best solution is IKEA's. Bags are for sale if you didn't bring your own.
Now go buy a Brita™ and stop throwing yer Dasani™ bottles on my lawn!

Everything a tree hugger spews is crap.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3052611
Well, here's yet another issue that most cause heads don't think through before they spew their crap.
The production of a paper bag produces on the order of 3x the GHG's that a plastic bag does. OTOH, the paper is biodegradeable, the plastic is not.
Local coffee shops have switched from styrofoam to paper under cause head pressure. Styrofoam is recyclable, paper made for holding hot liquids is not...
It's a far more complicated issue than most people are willing to think through, 'cuz that'll take time from American Idol or some 'thing'.
I hate those people, and I think I've pretty well established myself as a tree hugging liberal.
Take a look at PETA, for example. Do any of the kids running around yelling Meat is Murder realize that PETA's Senior VP is a diabetic who takes pig derived insulin?
Friggin idiots give we liberals a bad name.
The best solution is IKEA's. Bags are for sale if you didn't bring your own.
Now go buy a Brita™ and stop throwing yer Dasani™ bottles on my lawn!

Bottled water is the biggest scam to come along in a long time. If you run your tap through a sprayer and let the glass sit in the fridge for 30 minutes you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it and a lot of the bottled water out there.
I am sensibly green. Save it where you can do it easy. CF bulbs in the lamps, programmable thermostat etc. Stuff that is green and pays for itself. I draw the line at cars. I refuse to drive a big roller skate.

 

[uneverno]

I'm inclined to agree.
Long as we understand the difference between a Tree Hugger and an (informed) Environmentalist.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3052623
I'm inclined to agree.
Long as we understand the difference between a Tree Hugger and an (informed) Environmentalist.
I think they are blurred. I prefer conservationist. As a fisher and once in a while hunting I understand we gotta take care of stuff.
I used to live in a town called Missoula in Montana. The Environmentalists there joined in a big push to force people on to the public sewer system. One of their big reasons was the algae blooms in the Clark Fork river caused by the nitrates from septic systems.
A conservationist explained to us that the public sewer system was exceeding it's mandated amount of nitrates in the discharge water X days a year. A engineer he was working with who had worked at the plant told us about how the main that flowed to the sewer plant was picking up a tremendous amount of flow ( Something like 120,000 gallons per day) from one side of the river to the other during high water in the spring. It is obvious that during normal and lower flows (Summer and fall) that raw sewage was leaking into the river water. The Tree Huggers solution? Make more people use the public sewer system

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3052633
I think they are blurred. I prefer conservationist. As a fisher and once in a while hunting I understand we gotta take care of stuff.
I used to live in a town called Missoula in Montana. The Environmentalists there joined in a big push to force people on to the public sewer system. One of their big reasons was the algae blooms in the Clark Fork river caused by the nitrates from septic systems.
A conservationist explained to us that the public sewer system was exceeding it's mandated amount of nitrates in the discharge water X days a year. A engineer he was working with who had worked at the plant told us about how the main that flowed to the sewer plant was picking up a tremendous amount of flow ( Something like 120,000 gallons per day) from one side of the river to the other during high water in the spring. It is obvious that during normal and lower flows (Summer and fall) that raw sewage was leaking into the river water. The Tree Huggers solution? Make more people use the public sewer system

Hunters and fisherman are the best friends the environment ever had. There is a huge difference between living responsibly and government forcing onerous regulations on industry, and attempting to turn carbon into gold so a few umm nancy and al umm people can turn a huge profit.
Quite simply all you have to do to see the difference is look at Bush's ranch house, and Gore's house, to see who the real keepers of the environment are...