Camera Question Again, Nikon?

05xrunner

05xrunner

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2688210
And you can't actually expect a cannon guy to give you "unbaised" evaluation of a Nikon. It just doesn't happen.
My buddy who has the D300 as well thinks the D40/D60 line is just stupid. it is such a limited camera he even suggest people look at Used 30D and XTi over the D40...Sorry but if your serious about photography a D40 is not the way to go.
Ohh and its CANON
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 05xrunner
http:///forum/post/2688281
My buddy who has the D300 as well thinks the D40/D60 line is just stupid. it is such a limited camera he even suggest people look at Used 30D and XTi over the D40...Sorry but if your serious about photography a D40 is not the way to go.
Ohh and its CANON
mock the typo.
You are talking about someone wanting an entry level DSLR. The point of the d40 and d50 camera is to be a simple camera that as my brother put is a soccer mom camera. It isn't for professional photography. It is for someone who wants to play around with his camera and his fishtank, and to take shots of the kids playing. But wants something more than point and shoot. It is part of matching the right camera to their needs. And Nikon took that target and hit the nail on the head with the d40 and d50.
There really isn't a bad entry level dslr among the major players.
However the XTi doesn't have a spot meter. That would drive me nuts, when I'm using my camera for everyday shots. Even though the button layout is very similar to a D40. It is just too dang small. And feels like a Mattel product. At least with a d40 it feels like you are actually holding a camera.
We aren't talking camera club junkies. And discussing how many different ways I can change the settings on my camera when taking pictures of blue...
 
sydneywood

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Originally Posted by 05xrunner
http:///forum/post/2688046
D40's are just a waste and they are the bottom of the line. no internal focus motors on them, 3 focus points, no bracketing. They are just a crappy P&S camera with a lens mount on them to change lenses. You have to buy lenses with internal motors in them none that are the s-c-r-e-w drive because they will not have autofocus.
Anything before the new D300 and D3 nikons SUCK at high ISO noise. I personally cant stand the layouts on the Nikon bodies. they throw way way to many buttons on it and feels like you need 3 hands to work it all.
I would avoid stdreb27 advice. He doesnt seem to know much saying a D3 would be good for tank shooting..ANY camera is good if you know what your doing.

B.i.t.c.h. Much? I appreciate advice from those of you who have actually owned this camera. Thanks.
 
sydneywood

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2688100
lol so you're going to try and compare a 500 dollar camera to a 3000 dollar camera.

Sorry I own a D50.
The only real stupid thing Nikon did was Name the newer camera a lower number.
I've got to run, I'll get back with you.
And I actually appreciate your reading the actual post about my price range. 500 max and apparently you read that. Thanks for your advice.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Sydneywood
http:///forum/post/2688337
I appreciate advice from those of you who have actually owned this camera. Thanks.
You should actually listen to what he said, he was harsh, (but he misunderstood what I said and if what he thought I said was what I'd said he'd be right) and well, Nikon people and canon people is like ford and chevy it will never end. However, he's got a way better camera than me, and well I don't have a d40 either. (and my d50 is better) But I'd still buy a d50 vs an XTi. (mainly because I can go raid my dad's closet of nikon lenses.)
 
05xrunner

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2688333
mock the typo.
You are talking about someone wanting an entry level DSLR. The point of the d40 and d50 camera is to be a simple camera that as my brother put is a soccer mom camera. It isn't for professional photography. It is for someone who wants to play around with his camera and his fishtank, and to take shots of the kids playing. But wants something more than point and shoot. It is part of matching the right camera to their needs. And Nikon took that target and hit the nail on the head with the d40 and d50.
There really isn't a bad entry level dslr among the major players.
However the XTi doesn't have a spot meter. That would drive me nuts, when I'm using my camera for everyday shots. Even though the button layout is very similar to a D40. It is just too dang small. And feels like a Mattel product. At least with a d40 it feels like you are actually holding a camera.
We aren't talking camera club junkies. And discussing how many different ways I can change the settings on my camera when taking pictures of blue...
I dont think you really are aware of what a D40 is..Have you ever held one you seem to be classing a D50 camera as one of the new D40/D60..that is incorrect ..its just as small and built just like a Canon rebel..they are VERY small and made of an ABS plastic. The D50 that is a few years old is made more like a D80..Trust me I know what i am talking about. My buddy had the D50/D80 and now a D300..so I have first hand experience with all of these. Like I said before If I was dead set on a nikon and couldnt afford a much I would rather have a D50 over a new D40/D60 because of the fact its not sooo crippled. you have compatibility with ALL AF lenses made for Nikon unlike the D40 does not have the internal body focus system so any lens that uses that (anything not a DX lens) will not have AF. The D50 is the size of a D80 and built little more rugged. As for spot metering I dont see that ever being a huge difference for people. That is a mode that i dont think many people hardly ever use.
 
05xrunner

05xrunner

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Originally Posted by Sydneywood
http:///forum/post/2688341
And I actually appreciate your reading the actual post about my price range. 500 max and apparently you read that. Thanks for your advice.
Well i was first informing you about there are better options.
as for the price range
I would look at a Used D80 Canon XTi/30D/XT/XS
all these would be a better option
 
sydneywood

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Originally Posted by 05xrunner
http:///forum/post/2688420
Well i was first informing you about there are better options.
as for the price range
I would look at a Used D80 Canon XTi/30D/XT/XS
all these would be a better option

Actually this is exactly what I was trying to do at first. I do a lot of business on ---- including significantly supplementing my income. I chickened out because I was afraid something would happen to it or it stop working properly and I would just be out of a camera. I'm really afraid to buy one used. If I had my choice of cameras hands down would probably be an XTi, but that's just going way out of my price range past just the body. I have a max because for a long way into the future, I wont be able to put any money in it because I'll be moving and remodeling my home after I move into it and that will last years.... so, I went to Circuit City (possibly one of maybe 3 if that stores around here that carry anything) and just looked at the Nikon and Canon, I "studied" each camera trying to figure out what each camera's specs actually meant and held each one taking a few shots on each camera and considered price. The Nikon being $464 helped. I also talked to an acquaintance that is a local photographer and she uses the Nikon D80? and she loves it and hopes to soon upgrade. Oh yeah, by the way, I couldnt possibly be more confused over the last few posts that I just read
. I was really hoping to make up my mind by tomorrow or soon after. I just dont know, but hopefully when I do make a decision it will be the right one. Thanks for everyone's opinion. And anything else you can contribute would be very much appreciated. Thank you thank you thank you!
 
05xrunner

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Originally Posted by Sydneywood
http:///forum/post/2688588
Actually this is exactly what I was trying to do at first. I do a lot of business on ---- including significantly supplementing my income. I chickened out because I was afraid something would happen to it or it stop working properly and I would just be out of a camera. I'm really afraid to buy one used. If I had my choice of cameras hands down would probably be an XTi, but that's just going way out of my price range past just the body. I have a max because for a long way into the future, I wont be able to put any money in it because I'll be moving and remodeling my home after I move into it and that will last years.... so, I went to Circuit City (possibly one of maybe 3 if that stores around here that carry anything) and just looked at the Nikon and Canon, I "studied" each camera trying to figure out what each camera's specs actually meant and held each one taking a few shots on each camera and considered price. The Nikon being $464 helped. I also talked to an acquaintance that is a local photographer and she uses the Nikon D80? and she loves it and hopes to soon upgrade. Oh yeah, by the way, I couldnt possibly be more confused over the last few posts that I just read
. I was really hoping to make up my mind by tomorrow or soon after. I just dont know, but hopefully when I do make a decision it will be the right one. Thanks for everyone's opinion. And anything else you can contribute would be very much appreciated. Thank you thank you thank you!
dont be afraid of used gear..if you buy it off a good photography forum you are good to go..like fredmiranda.com
I bought almost all of the $7000 in gear I have used off forums.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 05xrunner
http:///forum/post/2688678
dont be afraid of used gear..if you buy it off a good photography forum you are good to go..like fredmiranda.com
I bought almost all of the $7000 in gear I have used off forums.
I'm a big fan of buying things used. Built both of my tanks that way. However unless you know what you are doing buying used electronics can be VERY risky.
 
sydneywood

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Right, I am also a fan of buying things used, but as far as electronics (besides a point and shoot) I dont know what i'm doing and am afraid of buying used and "blind". That $499 comes with a 2G card too but I'm not a member of Costco so I dont know if I can purchase it? How does Costco work? I'd hate to invest in a membership when there is not one within an hour of here.
 
sydneywood

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After doing hours and hours of research, finishing off with reading a ton of reviews, I THINK I may have decided on the Rebel since BestBuy seems to have an excellent price on it.
 
sydneywood

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So O.K. it's a done deal! I came across an offer I couldnt refuse, the Rebel with lens for $430 FREE shipping! I got it from Vanns.com. So next time I post may be some shots from the new camera AFTER I read and learn about the camera! Thanks for all of the help.
 
spankey

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Originally Posted by 05xrunner
http:///forum/post/2688046
D40's are just a waste and they are the bottom of the line. no internal focus motors on them, 3 focus points, no bracketing. They are just a crappy P&S camera with a lens mount on them to change lenses. You have to buy lenses with internal motors in them none that are the s-c-r-e-w drive because they will not have autofocus.
Anything before the new D300 and D3 nikons SUCK at high ISO noise. I personally cant stand the layouts on the Nikon bodies. they throw way way to many buttons on it and feels like you need 3 hands to work it all.
I would avoid stdreb27 advice. He doesnt seem to know much saying a D3 would be good for tank shooting..ANY camera is good if you know what your doing.
LOL the D40 is a POS!!! You can't possibly be serious! You posted some points that it does NOT have an internal focus motor but again, SO! That does NOT label it a bad camera. It's a great starter DSLR camera. With the right lenses there isn't anything a person can't do that others can! There are so many lenses out there that Nikon produces and if you look they are driving the new lenses for these type of camera's. I held a canon XTI and it felt like a plastic tonka toy! NO offense to Cannon users. The buttons felt cheap also. There are allot of manufacture's out there that make good camera's. Remember that it's NOT the camera that makes the photo it's the person using the camera! PERIOD!!!!!! A pro can take a point and shoot pocket cam and get a good photo! Don't knock unless you clearly know this knowledge!!!!!
I'm Done!!!!
 
05xrunner

05xrunner

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Originally Posted by spankey
http:///forum/post/2702075
LOL the D40 is a POS!!! You can't possibly be serious! You posted some points that it does NOT have an internal focus motor but again, SO! That does NOT label it a bad camera. It's a great starter DSLR camera. With the right lenses there isn't anything a person can't do that others can! There are so many lenses out there that Nikon produces and if you look they are driving the new lenses for these type of camera's. I held a canon XTI and it felt like a plastic tonka toy! NO offense to Cannon users. The buttons felt cheap also. There are allot of manufacture's out there that make good camera's. Remember that it's NOT the camera that makes the photo it's the person using the camera! PERIOD!!!!!! A pro can take a point and shoot pocket cam and get a good photo! Don't knock unless you clearly know this knowledge!!!!!
I'm Done!!!!

blah blah..the D40/D60 are stripped down DSLR. The OLD Nikon D50 is a better camera then either of those 2. maybe you should learn that ALOT of the features are very important they removed. 3 focus points..thats pretty sad, no internal focus motor, WHY, you cannot do bracket shooting with it..another WHY...these are all things that cost pennies to add yet they didnt. I dont know where you get your idea that the D40 is built like some great tank..its a tiny piece of plastic just like the rebel cameras. Anyone who is serious about photography IF they would buy a D40 or D60..I would bet they sell it very fast and move up to something that has all the features of a DSLR not a waterdown version.
So you got a couple shots of Zoo's wow...ANY point and shoot can take those exact pics because they dont move. If anyone looks to nikon stick with a D50 or D80 if your on a budget....but you are a Pro though...i cant tell you anything cause you can take pics of zoo's
 
spankey

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Now that is comical! Zoo's.... No offense but I get crystal clear shots at sporting events too! A fast lens does it all. I have these and you know as well as I do that the body does not make the camera it's the lens!!!!! Case in point!!!!
 
05xrunner

05xrunner

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Originally Posted by spankey
http:///forum/post/2703046
Now that is comical! Zoo's.... No offense but I get crystal clear shots at sporting events too! A fast lens does it all. I have these and you know as well as I do that the body does not make the camera it's the lens!!!!! Case in point!!!!
The lens makes the sharpness and the amount of light..The body is control of the focus ability 100%..if the camera has a pathetic focus system i dont care if you got a $7000 lens it will still not be any wear near as good with something with a much more advanced AF system. but once again you are 50% correct. Go take a something like a 300 f2.8 IS lens and throw it on a rebel XT vs the same lens on my 1D Mark II...the XT would never be able to keep up with the tracking ability of radical movement in fast action. But then you say the lens is all that matters so it should huh
Optics are very very important but they still dont make up everything like you assume
ohh and what is your idea of a fast lens? cause an 18-55 is not
 
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