Carbon?
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Phosphate:
Is a nutrient NEEDED for plant AND animal growth and is also a fundamental element in metabolic reactions. High levels of this nutrient can lead to overgrowth of plants, increased bacterial activity, and decreased dissolved oxygen levels.
OK all .........here above a definition of the term????????????? OK too much makes things bad, but according to this definition Zero would in the long run would be worse??? ???????? What am I missing in this line of thought??
Warren
Is a nutrient NEEDED for plant AND animal growth and is also a fundamental element in metabolic reactions. High levels of this nutrient can lead to overgrowth of plants, increased bacterial activity, and decreased dissolved oxygen levels.
OK all .........here above a definition of the term????????????? OK too much makes things bad, but according to this definition Zero would in the long run would be worse??? ???????? What am I missing in this line of thought??
Warren
reefkprz
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ok breath air with out carbon dioxide..... come on people, IMO, its not really about this or that trace minute amount, I worry about <is it getting out more than its taking in> honestly I use carbon once a month ritually before my deluge water change, (wich consists of 8 five gallon water changes in a row) [slow drip please dont burn me on this I do at least pretend to know what I am doing... LOL ) and then I still do the usual test knowing what they will read every time... when my KH drops below 2<yeah right*S* then I worry....
reefreak29
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ok candycane i work in a lab and got everyone together on this ,we found that carbon does not have phos in it , but it does get a false positive when doing a titration with color end point , (we also get this if were checking cl2 and theres to much starch in the water) anyhow now there are 2 kinds of phsphates to test for and when we ran a specialized test to test for phosphates in a cooking methode using standard methods we did not find a trace of complex phos or simple phos .
candycane
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AHAHAHHAHA. Get a load of "lab man". The funny thing is that when you call the companies, THEY WILL EVEN TELL YOU THERE IS PHOSPHATE IN IT!!!! You should call and correct them. Seachem 1-888-Seachem. Kent Marine 1-800-255-4527. I can't help but laugh. Because even I have tested the freakin things to come up with phosphate levels. There are the numbers. Maybe you should start running the companies? We have already had a balance of power overturn in the senate.........
Here is why I HATE Carbon. Carbon contains phosphates. Doesnt matter the amounts. Still contains it. You know what is made of phosphates, RUST REMOVER!!!!! It contains phosphoric acid which is basically the same thing (without going into a massive chemical composition breakdown). I Don't care how small the amounts are. It is not smart to squirt any amount of rust remover into your tank.
Here is why I HATE Carbon. Carbon contains phosphates. Doesnt matter the amounts. Still contains it. You know what is made of phosphates, RUST REMOVER!!!!! It contains phosphoric acid which is basically the same thing (without going into a massive chemical composition breakdown). I Don't care how small the amounts are. It is not smart to squirt any amount of rust remover into your tank.
candycane
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Originally Posted by reefreak29
ok candycane i work in a lab and got everyone together on this ,we found that carbon does not have phos in it , but it does get a false positive when doing a titration with color end point , (we also get this if were checking cl2 and theres to much starch in the water) anyhow now there are 2 kinds of phsphates to test for and when we ran a specialized test to test for phosphates in a cooking methode using standard methods we did not find a trace of complex phos or simple phos .
Let me get the number of this "lab" that you work at. I would like to call them and dicuss the possibilty of molecular corence breakdown and find out why it was not detected. Did they try every possible (even symbiotic) cellular restructuring of the compound into to different mollecular ionization. Here ya go, fart around with this a little bit "lab man".
H3PO4 ⇌ H+ + H2PO4−
H2PO4− ⇌ H+ + HPO42−
HPO42− ⇌ H+ + PO43−
the corresponding constants at 25°C (in mol/L)
PO43− and HPO42− are in significant amounts.
H2PO4− and HPO42− (62% H2PO4−, 38% HPO42−
. (pH=7.4), this (61% HPO42−, 39% H2PO4−.
H2PO4−. HPO42− and PO43− are practically absent.
This is why PH is effected. Mess around with that for a bit and get back to me when you get it finished. You have about 15 minutes, with your "lab" that shouldnt be a problem.
ok candycane i work in a lab and got everyone together on this ,we found that carbon does not have phos in it , but it does get a false positive when doing a titration with color end point , (we also get this if were checking cl2 and theres to much starch in the water) anyhow now there are 2 kinds of phsphates to test for and when we ran a specialized test to test for phosphates in a cooking methode using standard methods we did not find a trace of complex phos or simple phos .
Let me get the number of this "lab" that you work at. I would like to call them and dicuss the possibilty of molecular corence breakdown and find out why it was not detected. Did they try every possible (even symbiotic) cellular restructuring of the compound into to different mollecular ionization. Here ya go, fart around with this a little bit "lab man".
H3PO4 ⇌ H+ + H2PO4−
H2PO4− ⇌ H+ + HPO42−
HPO42− ⇌ H+ + PO43−
the corresponding constants at 25°C (in mol/L)
PO43− and HPO42− are in significant amounts.
H2PO4− and HPO42− (62% H2PO4−, 38% HPO42−
. (pH=7.4), this (61% HPO42−, 39% H2PO4−.H2PO4−. HPO42− and PO43− are practically absent.
This is why PH is effected. Mess around with that for a bit and get back to me when you get it finished. You have about 15 minutes, with your "lab" that shouldnt be a problem.
candycane
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One of things that i will never get about this board is why people have to be determined to be right or prove someone else wrong? I am not saying that I do not like it, but it is not necassary. With this, it is not ME, that you are trying to prove wrong - because that is a proof that simply does not exist. It is the company that produces the item that you want to contact if you want to know if phosphate levels are contained. Now these companies will pretty much return calls to customers that want to know about their products. So rather then have other people waste their time trying to prove ME wrong, just call the companies and ask them if their Carbon contains phosphates, and the amounts regardless of what they are.
hatessushi
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I knew carbon had phosphates, that's why I use carbon for a few day out of the month. In the mean time I run phosphate reactor 100% of the time. It seems to be a good thing.
reefreak29
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Originally Posted by candycane
One of things that i will never get about this board is why people have to be determined to be right or prove someone else wrong? I am not saying that I do not like it, but it is not necassary. With this, it is not ME, that you are trying to prove wrong - because that is a proof that simply does not exist. It is the company that produces the item that you want to contact if you want to know if phosphate levels are contained. Now these companies will pretty much return calls to customers that want to know about their products. So rather then have other people waste their time trying to prove ME wrong, just call the companies and ask them if their Carbon contains phosphates, and the amounts regardless of what they are.
people determined to be right , that sounds alot like u , im not the one crapin my pants over it , its not my fault that when u ran ur tests u were actually getting false positives if u cant determin the diference that is not my problem
im standing by my conclusion of the results that i got, i was in no way trying to prove u wrong i really dont care what u think , who u are, or whatever else , im just telling u the results that i had gotton and i found them very interesting
One of things that i will never get about this board is why people have to be determined to be right or prove someone else wrong? I am not saying that I do not like it, but it is not necassary. With this, it is not ME, that you are trying to prove wrong - because that is a proof that simply does not exist. It is the company that produces the item that you want to contact if you want to know if phosphate levels are contained. Now these companies will pretty much return calls to customers that want to know about their products. So rather then have other people waste their time trying to prove ME wrong, just call the companies and ask them if their Carbon contains phosphates, and the amounts regardless of what they are.
people determined to be right , that sounds alot like u , im not the one crapin my pants over it , its not my fault that when u ran ur tests u were actually getting false positives if u cant determin the diference that is not my problem
im standing by my conclusion of the results that i got, i was in no way trying to prove u wrong i really dont care what u think , who u are, or whatever else , im just telling u the results that i had gotton and i found them very interesting
fishstix4u
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actually reefreak... your right.. candy cane you have to go back to basic fundamentals, and compare with a control... what else can send a posative for your type of test? then test for that to eliminate the causing agent... but when it comes down to real phos... i can tell ya the stuff i use comes up negative... and i am going to check on black diamond tomarow... just remember nothing is black and white and everything is compiled of lots.. so if you test for one wing of somthing that can share with another a false posative is deffenatly possable.. and as for the manufacturers???/ they covver there
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god for bid somthing happend and they had a disatisfied customer.. well now they can at least say "we said there might be some traces in there" but hey again.. this is a discusion board... i might be full of crap and so could you... for those that want the facts.. conduct your own tests then post.. thats what makes this a discusion board... keep on swimmin
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god for bid somthing happend and they had a disatisfied customer.. well now they can at least say "we said there might be some traces in there" but hey again.. this is a discusion board... i might be full of crap and so could you... for those that want the facts.. conduct your own tests then post.. thats what makes this a discusion board... keep on swimmin
reefreak29
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Originally Posted by Laddy
......and people call us "fish nerds"
im just a lab geak and i ran dupes and controls
knowbody needs to believe me im just tellin u what i found no big deal
......and people call us "fish nerds"
im just a lab geak and i ran dupes and controls
knowbody needs to believe me im just tellin u what i found no big deal
candycane
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Nise Spelleen.
I have up about 4 sentences in. Let me see if I can make this any easier. Jesus Christ, I find this freakin amazing. I am not involved in this any more. It seems more or less that people are avoiding calling the manufacturer.......period. Stop addressing me as an individual and actually contact the manufacturer. I am pretty sure they will have NO problem giving you the exact amount of phosphates in their salt, additives or carbon. Once again, stop addressing me, and contact the manufacturers. I have posted everything from websites to direct 800 numbers. Yet people are still going on and on and on without even calling the manufacturer about their own product. If you want to verify it, CALL THEM!!! if not, I am out of this.
I have up about 4 sentences in. Let me see if I can make this any easier. Jesus Christ, I find this freakin amazing. I am not involved in this any more. It seems more or less that people are avoiding calling the manufacturer.......period. Stop addressing me as an individual and actually contact the manufacturer. I am pretty sure they will have NO problem giving you the exact amount of phosphates in their salt, additives or carbon. Once again, stop addressing me, and contact the manufacturers. I have posted everything from websites to direct 800 numbers. Yet people are still going on and on and on without even calling the manufacturer about their own product. If you want to verify it, CALL THEM!!! if not, I am out of this.
candycane
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Originally Posted by reefreak29
people determined to be right , that sounds alot like u , im not the one crapin my pants over it , its not my fault that when u ran ur tests u were actually getting false positives if u cant determin the diference that is not my problem
im standing by my conclusion of the results that i got, i was in no way trying to prove u wrong i really dont care what u think , who u are, or whatever else , im just telling u the results that i had gotton and i found them very interesting
UNREAL!!! Call the manufacturer. In case you want to know my next response. It will be call the manufacturer. Even the one after that will be. Call the manufacturer for the next 20 times. I am not determined to be anything. I don't need to be right, you do.
people determined to be right , that sounds alot like u , im not the one crapin my pants over it , its not my fault that when u ran ur tests u were actually getting false positives if u cant determin the diference that is not my problem
im standing by my conclusion of the results that i got, i was in no way trying to prove u wrong i really dont care what u think , who u are, or whatever else , im just telling u the results that i had gotton and i found them very interesting
UNREAL!!! Call the manufacturer. In case you want to know my next response. It will be call the manufacturer. Even the one after that will be. Call the manufacturer for the next 20 times. I am not determined to be anything. I don't need to be right, you do.
fishstix4u
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HAHA what a, well... any way.. forget about the manufacturer... the tests dont lie.... what a spaz.