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miaheatlvr

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Originally Posted by TurningTim
Marine snow? I didn't know this! Do you have and article/sources or data?
Just curious!
I have seen that as a fact as well, I still would "generally spot feed" my clams, but I use the frozen cyclo, oyster eggs and DT'S. Stll as far as NOT SUPPLIMENTING their diet at all, this will be debated till times end, BUT alot of that would have to do with tank SIZE and tanks inhabitants and tank maturity as well. IMO
 

teen

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beleive me. theres more than enough phyto and zooplankton in our tanks to support the small amount of filter feeding these clams do, without having to spot feed anything extra.
and i dont have any articles or anything on the marine snow, thats just the way it is. no way to prove it to you.
 

coral keeper

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Will a Squamosa Clam or a Deresea Clam be ok under PCs? Ill put them on the very top. The tank is 9-10 inches high, from the sand bed to the lights. So the clam will be 3-4 inches away from the PCs.
 

teen

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Originally Posted by Coral Keeper
Will a Squamosa Clam or a Deresea Clam be ok under PCs? Ill put them on the very top. The tank is 9-10 inches high, from the sand bed to the lights. So the clam will be 3-4 inches away from the PCs.
he may survie, but will slowly loose his color. just upgrade your lights. on the price you spend on a clam, your halfway to a decent t-5 light set up.
 

turningtim

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Originally Posted by teen
and i dont have any articles or anything on the marine snow, thats just the way it is. no way to prove it to you.
Then how do you know? Or is it just a rumor.
"thats just the way it is" just doesn't cut it......
Is it asking to much for where you got this info?
BTW I don't use this stuff but I'm sure others do and would like to know.
 

teen

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its known by most hobbyists by now. it doesnt bother me if you dont believe me. keep wasting your money on it.
 

myzislow

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FWIW, I have had a blue spotted squamosa under PC lighting on my sand bed for about 8 months now and he is doing just fine. His colors are better then day I bought it, he reacts very abruptly to changes in light, and is always open and bright. I do not spot feed him at all. My tank is very mature and I keep my CA and ALK. stable using a 2 part dosing solution.
 

turningtim

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I'm not looking to argue teen and don't know why anything would bother you. If you read my post I don't use it but, the store I do some work for does carry it. Unfortunatly they don't carry DTs which is what I use. SO I was just looking for info b/c I was considering switching out of b/c it was easier for me.
This is only the second time I've heard something negative about it so I was just curious
 

miaheatlvr

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Originally Posted by TurningTim
I'm not looking to argue teen and don't know why anything would bother you. If you read my post I don't use it but, the store I do some work for does carry it. Unfortunatly they don't carry DTs which is what I use. SO I was just looking for info b/c I was considering switching out of b/c it was easier for me.
This is only the second time I've heard something negative about it so I was just curious
TT, I have scene an article as well, IT LOOKED PRETTY SCIENTIFIC, where they did a detailed chemical analysis of the product and it was pretty much like sea water and un defined object and a small amount of dead PHYTO PLANKTON. It said it was garbage, in the same article they dispelled a few other products as well.. If I can find the link I will post it! But it was clear as day!
 

turningtim

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Thank you! MHL I'll have a look also. Until recently I just have never even thought about using it. So more than likely just slipped under my radar.
No worries
thanks again
Tim
 
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jamparty

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Originally Posted by JamParty
I would suggest a squamosa as your first tradacna clam.
They are one of the easier species to raise and keep healthy.
Generally speaking:
Squamosa are easiest
Deresea are one notch above squamosa
Maxima are three notches above Deresea
and Crocea are two notches above Maxima.
There is also the Gigas and Hipopus (spelling)
the Hipopus from what I hear is also one of the easier Giant Clams
furthermore, it is not necessary to necessarily feed your clam after it has reached a more mature size of 3-4 inches.
They are photosynthetic and will have the means of surviving on their own without the aid of you feeding them manually.
Just keep calcium levels up and waterquality good.


 

teen

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im not arguing.
wait a minute...
Originally Posted by TurningTim
I do have other critters that need Marine snow, Dts Cyclops.
 

stanlalee

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clams dont eat zooplankton so cyclopeeze and oyster eggs or any meaty food is a waste. phytoplankton debatable and dissolved organics for sure.
 

turningtim

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Originally Posted by teen
im not arguing.
wait a minute...
What is your point?
And looking the the same post where you quoted and then replied that "it is PROVEN
that it is 90% water".
You haven't supplied any proof what so ever. Just second hand info.
Now if this is your OPINION
than say so but don't say anything is PROVEN
and not back it up with facts or sources.
I just asked for some info about what you stated and all I get is this

nevermind.......
Thanks again MHL
 

miaheatlvr

Active Member
Originally Posted by Stanlalee
clams dont eat zooplankton so cyclopeeze and oyster eggs or any meaty food is a waste. phytoplankton debatable and dissolved organics for sure.
I Dont agree entirely, even though they they get most of thier food by:
Feeding: Primarily photosynthetic. They may benefit from feedings of phytoplankton.
Supplements: Proper calcium levels (400-450 ppm) are important for growth as is maintaining good alkalinity levels. And I have heard many of time people having good results from frozen cyclopeeze and oyster eggs. I have even heard some mods here condoning oyster eggs..
Anytime TT, If I can find the article, for sure I will post the link, even if it is in a few days when this thread might be long buried!
 

jessica47421

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alright what is the cheapest light i can get and be able to have a clam ?
what price am i looking at for the light i need?
what clam would you recommend for a 1st timmer?
 
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jamparty

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Originally Posted by jessica47421
alright what is the cheapest light i can get and be able to have a clam ?
what price am i looking at for the light i need?
what clam would you recommend for a 1st timmer?
......
i posted this twice..
squamosa is by far the best choice for a beginner in the tradacna clam family.
 

nietzsche

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cyclopeeze is too big for it though. ask chrish&barb on this website and for sure youll get all the right information.
as for lighting get something like a tek fixture or something with metal halides. you can get the odyssea light fixure and replace the ballasts. you also need to make sure your tank matures and has proper levels to keep them
Lighting Requirements for Tridacnids
Hello everyone, this is the updated version of my previous “Lighting Requirements for Tridacnids” thread. I hope this one will answer your questions in regards to providing your clam with the best lighting conditions possible. Most of the information here is based on personal experience and experiences shared by other fellow clam lovers. Supplemental information is credited to James Fatherree and his book, Giant Clams in the Sea and the Aquarium, and many thanks to Chris for his never ending help. Please read the entire post as the information is designed to support each other. (especially the Tridacna Crocea section)
Tridacnid Lighting Requirements:
Tridacna Crocea

These clams require the most light of the Tridacna family. They occur in the wild mostly in very clear waters less than 15 feet in depth. (6 meters according to J.F.) The minimum recommended lighting requirement for a healthy Crocea is under a 150 watt metal halide of a reliable 14k bulb at a maximum depth of 20 inches, preferably less. To be on the safer side, a 10k bulb is recommended, and is closer to the "true" color of natural sunlight. I have seen some Croceas under 70 watts of halide, but these are normally placed high up in the tank. 70 watt bulbs are also considered by some as the least developed bulb, therefore being more inefficient in terms of their output compared to their 150 watt counter parts. 150 watts of (14k) metal halides would be the minimum “safe” amount of lighting. They will do even better under a 250 watt or 400 watt metal halide. If you are using 250 watts and above, you can place the Crocea even deeper in your tank, or even use 20k bulbs. If using T-5s, make sure the bulbs have individual parabolic reflectors on them, and the clam is placed at the upper half of your tank to be “safe”. Power Compacts will in a lot of cases NOT be adequate for Croceas.
In the case of T-5 lighting, remember only the 10k bulbs produce enough photo energy for PAR on clams, and the actinics produce little to no PAR depending on color temperature. It is also noted that the longer the bulbs are, the more penetrating power they carry. Thus a Crocea should be fine in a 20 inch depth under a 36 inch fixture. Having a Crocea in a 20 inch depth under a 24 inch fixture raises doubts, as most 24 inch fixtures only have 4 T-5 bulbs under them, with 2 of them usually carrying heavy actinics or some shade of high color temperature bulbs. In this case a retrofit is recommended to be able to cram in more lower temperature bulbs.
Tridacna Maxima

These clams require almost as much light as Croceas if not as much. In the wild they have a maximum depth of occurrence slightly deeper than Croceas, but are again mostly found in very clean and shallow waters. The best bet is to place them in the same lighting conditions as you would light a Crocea. The “safe” amount of lighting would be under a 100 watt metal halide if they existed, so I’m going to say 150 watt 14k metal halide under 20 inches or less as well.
Tridacna Squamosa

These clams are much more forgiving in terms of light than the upper two tridacna species. Assuming they are not placed in a nano due to the size they can reach, they will be happy under metal halides of some sort, but will suffice with vhos, or even power compact lighting. There is no exact number for the wattage of the bulbs, but the “safe” amount of lighting would be anything above 100 watts of compact fluorescents in depths of less than 20 inches provided they are directly under the bulbs. T-5s are recommended over your regular power compact lighting, and a Squamosa will soak up Metal Halide lighting very happily.
 

nietzsche

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Tridacna Gigas

Can suffice with even less amount of light compared to the Squamosa. They can thrive under most pc /vho combination, but again will be happier with lighting closer to that of its natural environment. Gigas can be found at depths up to 20 meters (J.F.) but some of the most successful aquarists have them under some type of metal halide lighting system and have recorded tremendous growth.
Tridacna Deresa

These clams are probably the most forgiving in terms of light than the rest of the mentioned clams. Their maximum depth of occurrence is about 25 meters (J.F.), but like the Gigas, they will be much happier with the lighting requirement given to Squamosas.
Exceptions to the Rule
Many people claim that Croceas and Maximas can survive under power compact lighting. These cases are far and few between, but there are certain individuals that are able to tolerate lower lightings, at which most of their counterparts would not be able to survive. Nevertheless, you should not take the risk and hope to get lucky, it is better to be prepared to give them what they will surely thrive in. It is always good to provide at least enough light of the given species to thrive in, and NOT the bare minimum you think you can get by with. Plus, it is the least we can do for our animal, as well as our responsibility as hobbyist.
Light Acclimation

There is no artificial lighting stronger than the great ball of fire in our sky, so all clams can adjust to your lighting provided they are given proper acclimation. This is especially important to prevent light shock, and gives time for the natural population of the clam’s zooxanthellae to adapt to their new habitat and photo conditions. Acclimation can easily be done using egg crate screening, or other materials that cut/diffuse lighting intensity. Remember, switching from fluorescents to metal halides is a big change, and so is switching from 150 watts to 250 watts.
Bulb Life

Fluorescent light bulbs need to be changed about every 10 months as they lose their intensity from old age. For metal halides, people have reported that 20ks lose their intensity at 6 months, 14ks around 8-10 months, and 10ks almost one year. I have not seen solid evidence in regards to this matter, but personally change my 14ks every 10 months.
I do not know the origin of the pictures as they were saved in my computer so I cannot credit them appropriately. The sole purpose of this thread is for the benefit of everyone, so please understand I hope this thread has been helpful to all of you.
 
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