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nihoa

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i understand it just fine. my counter point is that what he views as hypocrisy are the issues with a explaining a complex idea. climate change causes extremes in an areas local climate and its isnt proof that it isnt happening because the globe doesnt experience it uniformly. as nice as it would be for it to be that simple, it isnt.
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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///t/388817/climate-skeptic-changes-tune#post_3431577
lol, can you really not grasp the concept he's trying to convey?
 
beth

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///t/388817/climate-skeptic-changes-tune#post_3431577
lol, can you really not grasp the concept he's trying to convey?
And you see everything through the tunnel vision of political ideology. Absolutely everything, in your view comes back to that, and your desire to jump up and call people offensive names. I feel bad for you with your limited perspective in life as well as you need to speak for others.
I wasn't really thinking about the politics side of this, but whatever. Go back to your favorite political indoctrination center and keep being a bore.
 
bang guy

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/388817/climate-skeptic-changes-tune#post_3431563
Oh yeah, we beat the old record cold for October 15th by almost 15 degrees here, It was 27° and the previous record was 40°. Too much global warming going on, I guess. Oh right, global warming has been disproved everywhere but the computer models, so too much climate change going on out there.
So based on the temperature of your front porch you do not believe the global mean temperature has increased.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/388817/climate-skeptic-changes-tune/20#post_3431582
And you see everything through the tunnel vision of political ideology. Absolutely everything, in your view comes back to that, and your desire to jump up and call people offensive names. I feel bad for you with your limited perspective in life as well as you need to speak for others.
I wasn't really thinking about the politics side of this, but whatever. Go back to your favorite political indoctrination center and keep being a bore.
Because it is, a political issue. If it was really about science, we wouldn't be building windmills in major migratory bird migration patterns, we wouldn't be buying 5 dollar light bulbs filled with heavy metals, we wouldn't be buying cars full of toxic batteries, or putting corn into your gas tank. I wouldn't be being told to buy a car that can go 30 miles...
Considering the whole green movement is funded by government, it is absolutely a political issue. Explain to me how government funding 30-50% of any green industry not make it a political issue? I'm not the person with the limited perspective. I'm not the person calling people names. I did none such thing. To actually believe what you're being told without a lick of common sense.
Quite frankly I'm insulted and offended by the absolute tripe that I'm told to believe. That somehow a gas needed by the vast majority of life to sustain itself is a pollutant needs to be regulated limited and sold (by of course democrats). To look at the drivel posted. And these are the concepts, let me spell it out to you.
1. Human's are causing global warming.
2. Yes it did happen before humans, but we're speeding them up.
3. Oh the earth is warming at the alarming rate of 1 degree Celsius over the course of 50 years. (my personal favorite argument)
I can go out and point out HUGE completely discrediting flaws to all these arguments. I can find Nobel prize award winning scientists who will absolutely laugh at the concept that 1 degree over 50-100 years is outside a margin of error. But it wouldn't matter. I'm a huge believer in following the money. And global warming is nothing more than a giant alchemy scheme designed to turn CO2 emissions into gold. And people who can't not reach an accurate conclusion on their own should be mocked and derided because it is personally costing me, you and your grandma money. Every time you pay to utility bill, every time you buy gas, every time you go to the grocery store and buy an ear of corn.
 
mantisman51

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/388817/climate-skeptic-changes-tune/20#post_3431582
And you see everything through the tunnel vision of political ideology. Absolutely everything, in your view comes back to that, and your desire to jump up and call people offensive names. I feel bad for you with your limited perspective in life as well as you need to speak for others.
I wasn't really thinking about the politics side of this, but whatever. Go back to your favorite political indoctrination center and keep being a bore.
Ok, so global warming hoaxsters aren't calling for political change? Only those who desperately grasp at every straw to prove evil humans are responsible for climate change are pure of heart and have no agenda? Those of us who see the burden of proof being on those who are making fantastic claims that are extremely difficult to prove are "narrow minded"? The fact that the earths temperatures have risen and fallen naturally throughout history has no bearing? That the global warming "scientists" have called for the UN to enforce their ideas of a global paradise is a conspiracy by those who merely point it out? Politics is only being injected by those of us who want more than "trust me" from people who have now been exposed for their lying and data doctoring? And we are the "uneducated" and "indoctrinated"?
 
mantisman51

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/388817/climate-skeptic-changes-tune/20#post_3431594
So based on the temperature of your front porch you do not believe the global mean temperature has increased.
To claim global warming when other parts of the world are consistently having record cold is puzzling to me. Warming means temperature is increasing. If it is colder in some places and warmer in others, that is not global warming. It is regional warming and proof that there is no "global" to the warming. We were told by the global warming hoaxsters that Katrina was a first of many storms to come and that hurricane seasons would all get worse and worse due to the ocean warming. We have had a massive drop in the number and severity of hurricanes reaching the shore. That is proof they are wrong, but no. To maintain their tenuous claims, they say, oh no, the warm ocean is drawing cold further south, tempering the hurricanes. Do you, Bang Guy, never once ask yourself, "Why do they keep changing their gospel(er theory) to justify what is occurring that is completely different than what they predicted?" I mean, really, do you not just once think, "What if they're wrong? Why is so much of what they've claimed would happen, not happening?"
 
darthtang aw

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 There are many recorded periods where the temp has gone down.
when? in the last 100 years? how long were these periods?
darth (i am going somewhere with this) Tang
 
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nihoa

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i can only say the same thing so many times. the 1 degree global temp increase is an average and if you understand how averages work it means some areas will have seen warming to a greater degree than the mean and some areas will have seen warming to a lesser degree than the mean. the average is the difference in the extremes of the variation. a country can see its average household income increase while some individuals within the sample see a decrease. just because you have an sample that disagrees with the average doesnt make the average wrong because its part of a larger data set.
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/388817/climate-skeptic-changes-tune/20#post_3431609
To claim global warming when other parts of the world are consistently having record cold is puzzling to me. Warming means temperature is increasing. If it is colder in some places and warmer in others, that is not global warming. It is regional warming and proof that there is no "global" to the warming. We were told by the global warming hoaxsters that Katrina was a first of many storms to come and that hurricane seasons would all get worse and worse due to the ocean warming. We have had a massive drop in the number and severity of hurricanes reaching the shore. That is proof they are wrong, but no. To maintain their tenuous claims, they say, oh no, the warm ocean is drawing cold further south, tempering the hurricanes. Do you, Bang Guy, never once ask yourself, "Why do they keep changing their gospel(er theory) to justify what is occurring that is completely different than what they predicted?" I mean, really, do you not just once think, "What if they're wrong? Why is so much of what they've claimed would happen, not happening?"
 
reefraff

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This issue is political because the people studying the climate are mostly dependent on government funding.
I am not in the camp that says we shouldn't take steps to decrease CO2 emissions, they should just be reasonable. If you live in cold climate you've probably seen what happens to your tank PH in the winter when the house is closed up and CO2 increases. If co2 jumps enough to mess with the oceans we are screwed.
 
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smartorl

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Someone needs to explain global warming to the dinosaurs, somehow they missed the hubub, like maybe when they froze to death.........
 
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