Clownfish Death's

[kube]

yeah i think i'm going to bag the devils and return them, just putting off the joys of catching them with all the rock in the tank, would like to get some bigger ones, but the LFS always gets small ones, might have to see if they can get a some larger ones, yeah the damsels do hog the food, no i dont turn the flow off when i feed, i drip acclimate them like the flash show that they show on this site, over a year ago i got two clowns off this site they were pretty small though, thinking about trying to get them from a different source,(maybe this site they were small didn't eat for a week but came around and thrived in the tank, a blizzard took out the power and resulted in a total loss, damn midwest) between the 5 clowns i got, they came from two batches that the LFS got in, i noticed a few of there tanks had the lights off and some sick fish, by looking at the plumbing at the LFS it appears that they may share the same water throught out the tank...not a good sign
just kinda trying to elliminate options every one think its safe to say that the anemone didn't sting them.......

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by JimVette1
http:///forum/post/2714596
I know damsels have their place in tank start ups and cycling a tank but on my future tanks I won’t be using them.

I'm glad to hear that. Damsels do NOT have a place with cycling a tank IMO.
FYI - Clownfish are Damsels.

 

[sepulatian]

Do you notice anything on their bodies prior to death? Is there a thickening of the mucus layer, a powdery substance, peeling, spots, anything like that? Are these clowns wild caught? If you do not see bite marks on the fish then it is doubtful that the damsels are the cause of death. I don't think food is an issue either. I feed my clowns twice a day, but have left them for full weekends without food.
Do you have a quarantine tank? If not then set one up. Quarantine your new fish so that they can become accustomed to the food that you offer without competition. Quarantine is also very useful for spotting and treating disease before it spreads to the rest of your fish.

 

[kube]

Yeah, i got them AFTER i cycled it with live rock, i wanted something that was hardy to let the tank mature for a few months before i bought any fish, really wasn't in the mood to spend money(after a total loss) on fish till the tank was fully matured, ok'ed it with the LFS that i could return them to them when i was ready to....

 

[kube]

no marks, no mucus, when they died, i put them in breader tank that sticks inside the tank so no one could pick on them, and they wouldn't hit there head on a rock since the current was moving them around to where ever it took them, could easily inspect from there and they looked totally normal
no quaritine, think it about time to set up one of them 10g tanks i have in the garage
don't know of wild of aqua culture, i would assume aqua culture, but you know what they same when you assume......

 

[xtreeme]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2714656
I'm glad to hear that. Damsels do NOT have a place with cycling a tank IMO.
FYI - Clownfish are Damsels.
ya, I laugh every time I read about the evil damsle species. Clowns are damsels not all are mean. I had a wild caught clown that died around 1 week it had brok. The tank breed is better it is not as shy and hardy. The wild was hiding then got sick.

 

[jimvette1]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2714656
I'm glad to hear that. Damsels do NOT have a place with cycling a tank IMO.
FYI - Clownfish are Damsels.

FYI
Not Really
Do your reasearch.
-Clownfish are close cousins to the damsels and are also excellent fish for beginners. Especially great choices include the maroon clownfish, Clark's clownfish, and the tomato clownfish.
Damsels make an excellent choice for a first-time saltwater hobbyist. They are very adaptable fish, able to tolerate the ups and downs that often accompany a new aquarist's tank, such as temperature fluctuations.
As i said above I would not use them again.

 

[xtreeme]

It is the same family. That is why damsel can take anenome sting.
note
http://www.buginabox.com/genspecandwo.html
Seven chief groups make up a system in scientific classification. The groups are: (1) kingdom, (2) phylum or division, (3) class, (4) order, (5) family, (6) genus, and (7) species. The kingdom is the largest group. The species is the smallest. Every known organism and plant has a particular place in each group.
They are diff genus or species.

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by JimVette1
http:///forum/post/2714676
FYI
Not Really
Do your reasearch.
-Clownfish are close cousins to the damsels and are also excellent fish for beginners. Especially great choices include the maroon clownfish, Clark's clownfish, and the tomato clownfish.
Damsels make an excellent choice for a first-time saltwater hobbyist. They are very adaptable fish, able to tolerate the ups and downs that often accompany a new aquarist's tank, such as temperature fluctuations.
As i said above I would not use them again.
I very much disagree here. Clownfish ARE damsels, same family. That is like saying a Great Dane isn't in the same family as a Jack Russel.
Clowns are good choices for beginners that have finished cycling their tank.
Maroon clowns are quite aggressive toward other fish. I wouldn't recommend them as a first fish at all. They are great, I have a pair myself, but they stake out a territory and will happily defend it. It does show the damsel in them.
I do agree that damsels are hardy. They are. They also can get very aggressive with other tankmates. It is important to understand the temperament of the fish and select appropriate tank mates, not just buy fish because they are cheap or can take parameter fluctuations.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by JimVette1
http:///forum/post/2714676
FYI
Not Really
Do your reasearch.
If you confuse common names with scientific names then you are correct. I choose the scientific classification where the Family Pomacentridae is the Family of Damselfishes.
There is nothing wrong with using common names but if you're interested in behavior and environmental requirements then common names are useless.

 

[oceansidefish]

+1 Bang....All that crazy stuff we learn in biology. I will gladly give back the botany portion still melted in my brain all these years later though to replace with more marine info

 

[jcarroll]

You know, you may end up having the same luck as me with clowns. I swear, my first tank cycled and then I bought clowns because people said they were "hardy". I figured I was safe. Well......they both died, the same exact death you're talking about. So, I waited a couple of weeks and bought a couple more fish and they were fine. Later, I bought two maroon clowns and they both died the same exact way!!!!!! My other fish were happy and healthy and they died! So, needless to say, I STILL have no clowns, never tried again, and my tank is 5 years old!

 

[jimvette1]

I very much disagree here. Clownfish ARE damsels, same family. That is like saying a Great Dane isn't in the same family as a Jack Russel.
According to your logic. Then a "Great Dane" IS a "Jack Russel"!

You made my point for me.

Clown Fish (Amphiprion) are COUSINS to Damsels (Dascyllus).
Why do you have a problem with the word cousin?
I didn't say they werent in the same family,you did.
Gee, they are all fish!

 

[hlcroghan]

So does anyone have any idea about the OP?.....stop arguing about the species name, sheesh. I like clownfish and don't want to have unnecessary deaths when I get one. Basically, there was nothing unusual about the look of the fish? They weren't overly thin, no bite marks, no missing scales, weird mucus, small white sand-like spots? If that is the case then I would say it is interanl but you may want to send this to the disease forum. They might have some different ideas.

 

[jimvette1]

Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2715422
So does anyone have any idea about the OP?.....stop arguing about the species name, sheesh. I like clownfish and don't want to have unnecessary deaths when I get one. Basically, there was nothing unusual about the look of the fish? They weren't overly thin, no bite marks, no missing scales, weird mucus, small white sand-like spots? If that is the case then I would say it is interanl but you may want to send this to the disease forum. They might have some different ideas.
I agree, call them all damsels, I DON'T CARE!

Let's help Kube with his problem.

I assume you are buying them from the same store?

If you are try another place.(I really don't think that is the problem, but what the heck!)
To lose only the clown fish has got to mean something.
Can you quarantine the anemone? Or build some sort of egg create around it?
Watch the other damsels closely; mine will chase any new fish no matter what size. They even killed my Lawnmower Blenny.

 

[reefnutpa]

What species of clownfish are we talking about? Wild caught or captive bred? The reason I ask is I manage a retail pet store. Quite honestly, often the quality of WC oscellaris is pitiful as well as the quality of wc clowns overall - especially those from the Phillipines. It was not unusual for me to lose 6 of 12 within 48 hours after delivery...and the rest within a week. It's to the point I no longer order wc clowns from our wholesalers, unless they specify their origin.
IMO.... it still MAY be the LFS or the quality of the clowns they carry if they are WC.
Tom

 

[xtreeme]

Quite honestly, often the quality of WC oscellaris is pitiful as well as the quality of wc clowns overall - especially those from the Phillipines
I agree. Only get tank raised.

 

[kube]

hmmm..... I will ask the pets store and see what they have to say about if they are wild or tank raised. The two tank raised ones i got off this site were great and did well, before the crash.
But yeah there was no marks or mucus or anything, two of the deaths in particular i netted and looked them over and there was nothing, the only thing i noticed was how hard he was breathing
I want to order them off this site but i am scared to spend all the money to get the minimum order just to have the clowns die. The two i got off this site were tiny though, so need to get the damsels out of there or they probaly be easy picking
I think it would be hard to quarantine the anemone with out doing more harm to him, got him pretty bleached and his color is slowly coming back, and if i quarantined him he would not get the proper lighting....cant really seperate the tank with all the live rock in there.

 

[jimvette1]

Kube,
Your first post stated all perimeters were good "0 ammon, 0 trites, 5 trates, 0 phosphates".
I assume you tested these with your testing kits? If so just for kicks and giggles why don't you let your LFS test you water? You have nothing to lose and maybe they will catch something you missed.

Just grasping at straws......
Some times its good just to start at the beginning.

 

[kube]

yeah been thinking about that will do Monday morning, when i find out if them clowns they get are wild