Cowboys vs. Saints

oceanists

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Really, how good are the Saints?
The New Orleans Saints lost their home, the Alamodome, right along with thousands of citizens displaced by Hurricane Katrina just before the 2005 season began. That season, one of their eight “home” games was even played in New Jersey at the Meadowlands. No one should have been surprised by their 3-13 finish.
It’s amazing what a little home cooking can do. The 2006 Saints enter their Week 13 match-up with the Cowboys perched atop the NFC South with an 8-4 record and a two-game winning streak.
But, how good are these N’awlins boys.
It’s a sexy story, but the fact is the Saints may not be as good as advertised.
They have yet to defeat a team that currently owns a winning record. Three of their wins come at the expense of teams with .500 winning percentages (Falcons twice and the Eagles – 2 of the 3 were in New Orleans). The other 5 games they have won were against teams that boast a combined record of 19-41 (32% wins). They definitely haven’t beaten the cream of the crop.
In all fairness, they only played two teams with winning records, and all they can do is play their schedule. However in both games, at home nonetheless, the Ravens and Bengals convincingly handled them 22-35 and 16-31, respectively.
The Saints offense currently has the most yards of any offensve in the NFL. Quarterback Drew Brees leads the NFL in passing yards. Until his injury, receiver Marques Colston led the NFL in receiving yards and touchdowns. Veterans Duece McAllister and Joe Horn still contribute a great deal to the offense. First round draft choice Reggie Bush is coming off a 4-touchdown performance last week against San Francisco. Even their 3rd and 4th receivers, Devery Henderson and former Cowboy Terrence Copper, have made plays when called upon to do so.
They certainly have talent, but I question how good they will be against a much better defense than they’ve beaten. The 7th ranked Cowboys defense is much better than the next best defense they've beaten which was Philly currently ranked 17th.
Not only that, but the Cowboys offense has shown that they can score with the best in the league. If the Cowboys can hide their most prevalent weakness of the 2006 season, giving up huge chunks of yards in the passing game, it will be difficult for the Saints to win.
Contrariwise, some may suggest that the Cowboys have only beaten one team with a winning record (Indy) of the two they’ve play (loss to Jacksonville 24-17), so the Cowboys may not be much better in the grand scheme of things. However, close analysis of this Cowboys team must be divided at the line between pre- and post-Romo.
Since Bledsoe was benched, the Cowboys have lost one game in a freakishly close contest in Washington and beaten teams like Indy and the Giants (in New York). Additionally, the winning percentage of the teams beaten by the Boys is 43% clearly a tougher schedule.
In an NFC conference where mediocrity seems to be the norm, this weekend’s match-up will provide a rare glimpse at a couple of a select few teams that have separated themselves from the conference standard. With talented teams like Carolina, New York, Atlanta and Philly all fighting for playoff spots at 6-6, the loser of this game could quickly find themselves sinking into the quicksand that is the NFC.
 

ruaround

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yup... the Alamo Dome is in San Antonio... thier part time home last year...
Reggie sure did have a great game on Sunday!!!
 

scubadoo

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I assume you have withdrawn your 7 points as I have yet to receive an email. Let me know as I do not want some surpirse post on a Monday claiming victory in our friendly little wager. That's not how I do business.
Get ready to be entertained next SUnday..as the game will be close unless one team has a greater that +1 in the turnover stat.
NO defense has shut down the Saints including the Ravens.
How good are the Saints? As Parcells has stated...you are what your record says you are.
The Saints have already hit what I beleive would be a high water mark for the season...8 wins. Everything else is gravy.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by ruaround
yup... the Alamo Dome is in San Antonio... thier part time home last year...
Reggie sure did have a great game on Sunday!!!
I managed to get home in time to catch the game...I bowed out gracefully. The story from this past SUnday was how the Saints shut down Gore and their improving defense.
The team is an enigma as they seem to light up the board one week on the ground...then air Saints the next week.
They are tough to stop...put 8 in the box and they throw...put 7 in the box and they run. Who do you double team? Ghost motion with Reggie opens up lanes for Deuce and freezes the outside backers and DE's.
Much like Cincy..if the Saints defense continues playing better...they are really tough to beat. if they do not turn the ball over...they are tough to beat...regardless of the play of the defense.
I view the game as more of a must win for Dallas than NO. Cowboys are the newly crowned best team in the nfc by most of the talking heads and nfl hacks on TV. So, I am not certain how such a team with a horrible record at 8-4 and only one loss within the conference and their division can survive the mighty Cowboys.
 

greymach

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Coyboys have found their groove and are going all the way. *Coming from a niner fan* They are lookin good!
 

scubadoo

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Big loss for the Saints.....
NFL suspends Saints DT Thomas
NFL.com wire reports
NEW ORLEANS (Dec. 5, 2006) -- Saints defensive tackle Hollis Thomas was suspended for the final four games of the regular season for violating the league's steroid policy.
Thomas, backed by the team, appealed the suspension, which he said was caused by using asthma medication. He uses an inhaler daily and it apparently contained a banned steroid.
Thomas signed this year with New Orleans after playing nine seasons with the Eagles; he missed the 2002 season in Philadelphia with a broken right foot. He's had 43 tackles and four sacks for the Saints and has been an integral part of their 8-4 record, which leads the NFC South.
If New Orleans makes the playoffs, Thomas would be eligible to play. He can be added to the active roster on Jan. 1, 2007, the day after the regular season ends.
 

scubadoo

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Thomas' asthma medicine causes drug policy violation
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
The Saints suffered a big blow to their defense Tuesday when they found out defensive tackle Hollis Thomas, who is having a career year, is being suspended for four games because he violated the league's steroid policy due to asthma medication he takes.
Hollis Thomas
Defensive Tackle
New Orleans Saints
Profile
2006 SEASON STATISTICS
Tot Ast Solo FF Sack Int
43 35 8 0 4 0
Thomas has been challenging the positive steroid test and had the support of the Saints. Thomas is a 335-pound defensive tackle who has struggled to keep his weight down and doesn't have the body that normally would be linked to steroids.
During his appeal, John Amoss, who is the Saints' team trainer and an assistant professor at the LSU Health Science Center, sent a letter to the league in support of Thomas. Amoss said Thomas has severe asthma problems and requires a high dose of inhaled steroids to breathe. According to the doctor, Thomas needs a long acting beta agonist and a short acting beta agonist to control his asthma.
During his August drug test, the defensive tackle was taking an asthma product called Advair twice a day while also using an inhaler four times a day.
"Advair contains both the steroid fluticasone and the long acting beta agonist galmeterol," wrote Amoss, who thought the possibility of a false positive might have happened.
After taking the information under consideration, the league ruled Thomas was in violation of the policy and he will be lost to the team for the remainder of the regular season.
If New Orleans makes the playoffs, Thomas would be eligible to play. He can be added to the active roster on Jan. 1, 2007, the day after the regular season ends.
Senior writer John Clayton covers the NFL for ESPN.com. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
 

oceanists

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
I assume you have withdrawn your 7 points as I have yet to receive an email. Let me know as I do not want some surpirse post on a Monday claiming victory in our friendly little wager. That's not how I do business.
Get ready to be entertained next SUnday..as the game will be close unless one team has a greater that +1 in the turnover stat.
NO defense has shut down the Saints including the Ravens.
How good are the Saints? As Parcells has stated...you are what your record says you are.
The Saints have already hit what I beleive would be a high water mark for the season...8 wins. Everything else is gravy.
No out of respect for Lion Crazz as i stated in the other thread I will not bet.
I would give you a 10 point advantage... if I were to bet but it is not going to happen.
Big deal, Bush padded his stats in a game that was over, 49ers got ripped off by the refs all game. like stated above, the Saints are still yet to beat a team over .500, and it wont start with the Cowboys, Bush is going to find a hard time trying to run against Dallas. Take a look at the 49ers defensive rating....... is 4 TDS really something to brag about? Well you gotta hand it to him I mean he was playing the 31st best defense in the league. Remember when he was gone but he managed to bobble the ball and run out of bounds ....Over rated.
Just found this LOL
R. Bush Att 10 Yds 37 TD 3 Long 10
So Mcallister set up bush on 3 tds and made him look good.
Take a look at those rushing stats. Aside from the td's that is horrible.
I dont know if Im right but Bush scored more TD's than he has all year, sad thing is he had to play the 49ers who got ripped off all day to do it.
That Parcells statement is far from the truth, Look at your schedual. You should be looking at 2 losses right now.
instead your gonna come out 9-7 and miss the playoffs.
Yeah Thomas is suspended and he should be, here comes the excuses.
Let me start mine.... Greg Ellis is gone till mid 2007/2008 ... however the Cowboys have faired well. Great Teams overcome Great misfortunes.
Drew Brees is gonna be on his back sunday and I will be laughing everytime he is.
Cowboys over Saints 45-17
 

oceanists

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instead your gonna come out 9-7 and miss the playoffs.

actually your gonna win your division, but your gonna miss out on Home field.
Thats what this game is all about, Both Teams would have to lose out to not make the playoffs. In Dallas case the Giants or eagles would also have to go 2-2... The Giants no longer hold the tie breaker based on head to head if the Giants lose their final 2 division games.
If the Panthers or Falcons lose and the Cowboys win that pretty much sews up at least a Wild Card spot. And seeing that the Falcons play in Carolina week 16 everything would have to fall perfect for Carolina even if they were to Win that game because a tie between dallas and carolina would goto dallas because of head to head
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Oceanists
No out of respect for Lion Crazz as i stated in the other thread I will not bet.
I would give you a 10 point advantage... if I were to bet but it is not going to happen.
Big deal, Bush padded his stats in a game that was over, 49ers got ripped off by the refs all game. like stated above, the Saints are still yet to beat a team over .500, and it wont start with the Cowboys, Bush is going to find a hard time trying to run against Dallas. Take a look at the 49ers defensive rating....... is 4 TDS really something to brag about? Well you gotta hand it to him I mean he was playing the 31st best defense in the league. Remember when he was gone but he managed to bobble the ball and run out of bounds ....Over rated.
Just found this LOL
R. Bush Att 10 Yds 37 TD 3 Long 10
So Mcallister set up bush on 3 tds and made him look good.
Take a look at those rushing stats. Aside from the td's that is horrible.
I dont know if Im right but Bush scored more TD's than he has all year, sad thing is he had to play the 49ers who got ripped off all day to do it.
That Parcells statement is far from the truth, Look at your schedual. You should be looking at 2 losses right now.
instead your gonna come out 9-7 and miss the playoffs.
Yeah Thomas is suspended and he should be, here comes the excuses.
Let me start mine.... Greg Ellis is gone till mid 2007/2008 ... however the Cowboys have faired well. Great Teams overcome Great misfortunes.
Drew Brees is gonna be on his back sunday and I will be laughing everytime he is.
Cowboys over Saints 45-17

Not a problem..Lion only asked that we take it to email and I posted mine.
I figured as much. I understand you needed an out
i'll say no more regarding the matter.
I have no problems with Dallas winning as I actually beleive they have a good chance of doing so since they are the home team.
I will provide no excuses for a loss. Simply reporting the news given the subject of the thread.
45-17? Really? I see your earlier prediction of a 31-10 blowout in NY also panned out.
I see it as a pick it game
How did I arrive at this? Dallas home team 3 points, special teams Dallas 3 Saints 6. Dallas vs saints defense Dallas 21. Saints Vs Dallas D Saints 14. Intangibles Saints 7.
The only spot I could be wrong is quantifying the intangible at 7...it could be three meaning a 4 point victory for Dallas. It should be close...unless one team has a greater than +1 on the TO stat. The three point nod on the special teams matchup I could also be off on...as I beleive the Saints overall has a stronger return/kicking game. So....if I am worng on these two points I could be back at pick it with one off-setting the other.
Turnovers will most likely be the difference.
Saints have won the last four games in the regular season series.
If the Saints commit 0 TO's they have a solid chance at a W.
9-7 in the nfc will most likely get a team or two or even three in the playoffs.
You are correct great teams overcome adversity. Saints have overomce NUMEROUS injuries to starters this year.
 

oceanists

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
I view the game as more of a must win for Dallas than NO. Cowboys are the newly crowned best team in the nfc by most of the talking heads and nfl hacks on TV. So, I am not certain how such a team with a horrible record at 8-4 and only one loss within the conference and their division can survive the mighty Cowboys.


If we were going by your views every games would be a must win for Dallas.
They could be 10 - 0 and you would say this next one is a must win.
You have said this the past 4 games now.
This is a must win for the Saints. Im sure they would like home field too... The Cowboys have the second longest winning streak in the league right now .... that = momentum. And who did 2 of those wins come off of. The Colts. and the Giants when Eli was on his game. (Still way overrated)
If the Colts couldnt establish a Pass game against the Cowboys how do you figure the Saints will.
By the way you are facing the toughest Defense you have played all year. The second closest that the Saints have beaten would be the Eagles 17th ranked defense.
I hope Bush is ready to be welcomed into the NFL by Roy Williams when he catches one of those HB pitches.
I will soon have an avatar of Williams knocking Bush's block off with the word "Owned" embedded into it :hilarious :jumping:
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Oceanists
If we were going by your views every games would be a must win for Dallas.
They could be 10 - 0 and you would say this next one is a must win.
You have said this the past 4 games now.
This is a must win for the Saints. Im sure they would like home field too... The Cowboys have the second longest winning streak in the league right now .... that = momentum. And who did 2 of those wins come off of. The Colts. and the Giants when Eli was on his game. (Still way overrated)
If the Colts couldnt establish a Pass game against the Cowboys how do you figure the Saints will.
By the way you are facing the toughest Defense you have played all year. The second closest that the Saints have beaten would be the Eagles 17th ranked defense.
I hope Bush is ready to be welcomed into the NFL by Roy Williams when he catches one of those HB pitches.
I will soon have an avatar of Williams knocking Bush's block off with the word "Owned" embedded into it :hilarious :jumping:

All of the nfc and divisional games are important for Dallas becuase they have losses in both the division and conference and currently would not fair well in conference record and/or division tiebreakers should it come down to that. This is important in some tiebreaking scenarios which is why all their remaing divisonal and conference games are critical. . The Saints have one loss in the conference and their divsion so they could weather one more loss. Dallas currently is 2-3 in their division..saints are 4-1
Also, the Saints are still flying under the radar screen in the nfc and have not been crowned the new team to beat in the nfc by the hacks and heads...so if dalls wished to maintain this elite status byt the hacks and heads .....they must be that awful team on Sunday.
 

scubadoo

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Hmmm.........Ravens currently have the number one defense in football according to nfl.com yet Dallas is the toughest defense that the Saints have faced this year ?
Like I stated...against the numebr one d in football the only thing that stopped the saints were TO's against the Ravens. If you do not get those on Sunday you will be in for a tough game.
Quit being a homer and post some verfiable facts.

Second toughest was Philly?
 

oceanists

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
45-17? Really? I see your earlier prediction of a 31-10 blowout in NY also panned out.
I see it as a pick it game
Yeah I had to pad that one because i HATE the giants. I dont hate the Saints. I just dont see the Saints scoring alot of TDs on the Cowboys.
While with the Saints lacking defense I really cant say the same about the Cowboys.
I dont need an out. If I was going to bet it would be through a Las Vegas system where I am guaranteed a payment if I win. I allready donate to enough charities, automatically every pay check. Domestic Violence, Reefcheck.org and The Coral Reef Alliance.... As well as a one time donation to Katrina victums and Tsunami victums
 

oceanists

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Hmmm.........Ravens currently have the number one defense in football according to nfl.com yet Dallas is the toughest defense that the Saints have faced this year ?
Like I stated...against the numebr one d in football the only thing that stopped the saints were TO's against the Ravens. If you do not get those on Sunday you will be in for a tough game.
Quit being a homer and post some verfiable facts.

Second toughest was Philly?


Read my post again.... Toughest defense the saints BEAT...........
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Oceanists
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By the way you are facing the toughest Defense you have played all year. :

RAVENS
 
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