Cowboys vs. Saints

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
They did shut you down and you did not move the ball against them at all until the game was decided!

When the Ravens went up 35-7 midway thru the 3rd quarter( On a WEAK Brees int, by the way), The great Aints offense was rolling with a whopping 133 yards!! Garbage yards against prevent defense because they are up 4 tds in the 2nd half isnt moving the ball effectively Scuba

p.s.- didnt you predict a big Grammatica miss last week as well?? What happened again? Oh yeah, i remember...... AUTOMATICA BABY!!!!

The Saints had a chance to actually win that game in the second half as they had a few trips to the red zone with no points. Even when Balitomre NEW the Saints would pass and put their nickle package in...they managed to beat them deep. So, while you can foucs on stats at a certain point in the game, I actually watched the gme and those were no meaningless numbers.
I'm far from a homer as I actually watched the game and it was not that lopsided. Like many nfl games...about 80%..the fifference was the to's. Like I have stated...when the Saints do not turn the ball over...they are tough to beat.
I have laready stated the game would be close this Sunday and have not given any homer analysis...I leave that up to the Cowboy homers predicting 28 point victories.
Gramtica is a life long 60% kicker in the nfl..about the % for Vanderfoot this year when he was realeased. I got the feeling Parcells never warmed up to Vanderfoot after he had issues with him in triaing camp. Who knows...perhaps Parcells did not want Vanderfoot but his hand was forced by that great GM that singed him. it appears to me Parcells was working hard all season long to throw the guy under the bus....and perhaps he was correct in doing so
predicting Gramtica would miss a kick was easy if he had to boot more than one.
I don't think they caught Tank with a crack pipe or bong though and it appears it was related to his asthma.

 

[emmitt2]

Irvin, whatever his faults, never CHEATED like your boy Hollis

Also, I watched the Aints-Ravens game as i had the misfortune of facing Baltimores D in fantasy that week. You were NEVER, and i mean NEVER in that game in the 2nd half. Not even close! You had 133 yards when Brees threw the 12 yard int for a td and that was with 8 minutes left in the 3rd. After that, down 35-7 in the 3rd, the Aints put up 270 yards of offense against a prevent defense. Spin that however you want but you DID NOT move the ball against them while the game was even reasonably close.
I have never predicted a 28 point win. As a matter of fact, i said TO YOU numerous times that I only cared about winning even by 1 point which is why i wouldnt give you the spread to suck out a cover

Funny how you keep disparaging our HORRIBLE gm(who has 3 rings by the way). Funny how every good move we have made has nothing to do with Jerry but every bad move was his idea. Weird :notsure:
I'm curious though, as a Aints fan, how exactly would you know what a good gm is???????? You have NEVER even been to a SINGLE NFC championship!! We only have been to 16!!!1 How is it possible to not even make 1????? I guess thats why you are happy to get 8 wins and anything else is "gravy"

Maybe someday, i doubt it but maybe, the Aints will experience even the slightest success. Then talk to me about our GM

 

[scubadoo]

If you read the thread........it is Oceansits that predicted a 28 point spread. Also, why do you think I was referring to Irvin?
Not all comments posted are directed at and/or towrds you. I am spinning nothing as I know what I saw...but you do as you choose.
I am simply hoping for an entertaining game...and possibly a close finish.
You are the one that predicted the Saints would win 6 games at the point in the season thay had won 5.....not me. I beleive I have stated the 8 wins for the Saints would be an accomplishment. Spin that homer...
Even should the Saints lose this one...I am more concerned with them making the playoffs and winning the games in the second season.
As I stated earlier...I no longer wish to discuss the betting...as one has been removed from the table for personal reasons which I respect and the other was never forthcoming...so simlpy leave it be. Also, Lion requested it not take place here...so I posted my email to take it off the board and it simply is not going to happen as the other party has withdrawn.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
If you read the thread........it is Oceansits that predicted a 28 point spread. Also, why do you think I was referring to Irvin?
Not all comments posted are directed at and/or towrds you. I am spinning nothing as I know what I saw...but you do as you choose.
I am simply hoping for an entertaining game...and possibly a close finish.
You are the one that predicted the Saints would win 6 games at the point in the season thay had won 5.....not me. I beleive I have stated the 8 wins for the Saints would be an accomplishment. Spin that homer...
Even should the Saints loose this one...I am more concerned with them making the playoffs and winning the games in the second season.
As I stated earlier...I no longer wish to discuss the betting...as one has been removed from the table for personal reasons which I respect and the other was never forthcoming...so simlpy leave it be. Also, Lion requested it not take place here...so I posted my email to take it off the board and it simply is not going to happen as the other party has withdrawn.
Try reading and following. I NEVER said the Aints win 6 games, that was Oceanists. Show me my quote saying that " HOMER"!!!! Again, open mouth, insert foot for Scuba, so spin that Homer

No, what you said, and i quote was "Romo doesnt look like an NFL caliber QB to me". BRILLIANT!!!

Funny that a Aints fan would say they only care about winning in the "second season" :hilarious
I believe the Aints only have 1, yes i said 1 amazingly enough, "second season" victory in THEIR ENTIRE FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!! Now that is an organizational committment to LOSING!

The Panthers and Jags have only been around for like 12 years and have more than that!

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
I'm curious though, as a Aints fan, how exactly would you know what a good gm is???????? You have NEVER even been to a SINGLE NFC championship!! We only have been to 16!!!1 How is it possible to not even make 1????? I guess thats why you are happy to get 8 wins and anything else is "gravy"

Maybe someday, i doubt it but maybe, the Aints will experience even the slightest success. Then talk to me about our GM

Nope we have never made it to a championship game as that usally involves winning more than one playoff game which is all we have done to this point. I do bleive we have won the last 4 regular season matchups against Dallas but you hold the overal advatage in the series at 14-7.
I am happy with 8 wins coming off a 3-13 season. That is a rtemendous accomplishment and one I do not wish to sell short given what the players, management, team, and friends family and fans I still have back in New Orleans have gne through. There is no doubt they have lifted the broken spirits of many back home and I only hope they continue in some small way contributing to the recovery of the spirit and souls of many sufferng people.
While the saints have been awful in the past...they mean alot too many folks back home. Unless you have lived in the community....you would not and could not understand how they have uplifted many this year.
If you read my previous anlysis in a different thread...I stated I felt the Cowboys would be better off with a full-time football GM running the show. The Cowboys have slid over tha past severla years from thier 90's glory years and it is my opinion a solid football GM could right the ship on a consistent basis. I do not beleive Jones wil ldo it consistenly..and as we have progressed to the currant stat of free agency and the salry cap....the Ptriots are the ONLY orgnaization that can point to multiple championships in this era over the past decade.
Just pointing out what I beleive would help the team you root for. You can spin that any way you like...but it is my opinion.
Yes, I am grateful for the 8 wins to date.....and so are many folks still trying to rebuild their lives back home. I am hoping for a great ending to this story and this season ...that would go a long way in rebuilding.
I'll settle for one...and hope it happens this year given the circumstances...I would trade 16 for one this year if I could.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Try reading and following. I NEVER said the Aints win 6 games, that was Oceanists. Show me my quote saying that " HOMER"!!!! Again, open mouth, insert foot for Scuba, so spin that Homer

No, what you said, and i quote was "Romo doesnt look like an NFL caliber QB to me". BRILLIANT!!!

Funny that a Aints fan would say they only care about winning in the "second season" :hilarious
I believe the Aints only have 1, yes i said 1 amazingly enough, "second season" victory in THEIR ENTIRE FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!! Now that is an organizational committment to LOSING!

The Panthers and Jags have only been around for like 12 years and have more than that!
Not a problem Emmit..I could easliy have confused Oceanist quote and attributed to you since you both travel on the same posts. If you did not say it then I am incorrect.
You are correct, I stated I did not feel Romo was a legitmate strater after I saw his first performance against NY. If you read above...you will also see where I stated he has now impressed me...and I am curous to see him play against a good team this weekend.
I stand by my opinions until I am proven worng..and I now beleive I have been after the big win against NY.
Yes, the Saints have been awful......so your point in bringing this up regarding this weekends game is? That the ghosts of the past will rise once again? perhaps........or maybe they will show up and take your team to the cleaners...not likely to that extent but you go right ahead and take this team lightly...I hope the Dallas players are doing the same.

 

[emmitt2]

Our "sliding" over the past several years is exactly what the NFL is designed for. We took a fall because we had to overpay our stars and had late picks numerous years in a row. However, our "non football" GM has used the good picks we have gotten lately wisely and now has built another winning team with them. What exactly did you guys and your "football" GM's build with all the top 5 picks you have had?!?!?! We are in much better shape reloading than Buffalo and SF and their "football" GM's

Our "non football" GM has 3 rings from what he built and now has built another VERY good team. Aside from maybe NE, I wouldnt trade our "non football" GM for any others just cause they put together one 8 win team

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Not a problem Emmit..I could easliy have confused Oceanist quote and attributed to you since you both travel on the same posts. If you did not say it then I am incorrect.
You are correct, I stated I did not feel Romo was a legitmate strater after I saw his first performance against NY. If you read above...you will also see where I stated he has now impressed me...and I am curous to see him play against a good team this weekend.
I stand by my opinions until I am proven worng..and I now beleive I have been after the big win against NY.
Yes, the Saints have been awful......so your point in bringing this up regarding this weekends game is? That the ghosts of the past will rise once again? perhaps........or maybe they will show up and take your team to the cleaners...not likely to that extent but you go right ahead and take this team lightly...I hope the Dallas players are doing the same.
I'm not taking "this team" lightly. Merely pointing out how hilarious it is for an Aints fan(1 Playoff win IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!) to disparage Jerry Jones and his knowledge or resume

New England fans, go right ahead and make fun of Jerry , BUT A SAINTS FAN????????? You would kill to have Jerry and 1/10th of the success he has brought to Dallas in his tenure

 

[scubadoo]

Not a problem emmitt..it is simply my opinion and not worth debating. Same old song.....different day.
I would encourage you to move the thread back to the game this weekend..and whatever analysis and/or breakdown you can contribute to the subject.
I'd rather not continue on with past songs...lets move on to a different one or the current one. The past has happened and cannot be changed.
So, please provide us with your insight and breakdown if you can as to who will win, why, and how you see it playing out.
I beleive several have already done so and Oceanists did a very good job with his opening take on the season and the game this weekend.
I feel his 45-17 prediction is a little far fethched...but at least he attempted to break the game down from some standpoint.
Why don't you try and do the same and contribute to the topic at hand.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
I'm not taking "this team" lightly. Merely pointing out how hilarious it is for an Aints fan(1 Playoff win IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!) to disparage Jerry Jones and his knowledge or resume

New England fans, go right ahead and make fun of Jerry , BUT A SAINTS FAN????????? You would kill to have Jerry and 1/10th of the success he has brought to Dallas in his tenure

Do you have anything to contribute regaridng the game this weekend? How about some analysis and/or how you feel the game will unfold.
Like I stated...there is no need to continue...you have your view and I have mine. It does not make me right and you wrong.

 

[emmitt2]

Wahhhhhh. Youre the one who keeps bringing up how weak JJ's gm'ing is.
Heres the analysis for this game rather than the Aints weak history:
Saints will not be able to run the ball effectively and will be limited at best in the passing game.
Dallas will be able to run the ball and pass more effectively.
Cowboys will go down 7-0(as usual) before taking a 24-14 lead in the 3rd and holding on for a 31-24 win.
Romo 19-28-245 2 tds 0 ints Brees 24-40-315 2 tds 2 ints
Jones/Barber 26-145-2tds Bush/Mccallister 22-82-1td

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Do you have anything to contribute regaridng the game this weekend? How about some analysis and/or how you feel the game will unfold.
Like I stated...there is no need to continue...you have your view and I have mine. It does not make me right and you wrong.
Ummm... Yes, it does make you wrong. By yours and everyone elses admission, Jones is involved in EVERY aspect of the Cowboys. His personnel moves have won 3 TITLES. This is not opinion , this is fact: He has been the GM for 3 SB victories!!!!! I guess NE's GM is a moron also with his 3 titles :notsure:

 

[tx reef]

emmitt2....

You have the most screwed up view of the NFL I have ever seen. I have been following these "discussions" between you, Oceanist, and Scuba. I understand being passionate about your team, but at least be realistic about the rest of the league.
Scuba & Oceanist, I am glad you guys at least have good sportsmanship and keep these "discussions" civil.
Go ahead and blast me like you do these other guys emmitt2, but it doesn't bother me and you won't get a response out of me.
I can at least admit the faults and shortcomings of my team.
The Colts have a terrible run defense and they choke in the playoffs every year (it's the whole team, not just Peyton).
I hate it that they lost to the Cowboys, but that's just football.
I hope the Saints beat the Cowboys this weekend. The Saints have a lot going for them this year and I can't wait to see them in the playoffs.
Learn some sportsmanship.

 

[emmitt2]

Get real. What has been uncivil??? He said Jerry Jones isnt a football guy despite having 3 times the rings his team has playoff victories. I havent attacked him personally just his team, the same way he has done to me

You were talking the same trash before we beat you.
Ive said many times we have shortcomings. Our pass blocking is weak, our free safety is the worst in the league, our kicker stinks and our coach has suspect play calling. Despite that, we have a very good team, as you well know!!! I have never once said that we will win the SB just that we have a very good shot and RIGHT NOW may be the best team in football. Ive said MANY MANY times that NO is a very good team because of Brees, Colston and Mccallister. The only saint i have ever badmouthed in any thread is Reggie Bush and now Hollis Thomas. Ive never once said they arent good just a historically pathetic franchise.
Sorry, get your facts straight TX reef

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Ummm... Yes, it does make you wrong. By yours and everyone elses admission, Jones is involved in EVERY aspect of the Cowboys. His personnel moves have won 3 TITLES. This is not opinion , this is fact: He has been the GM for 3 SB victories!!!!! I guess NE's GM is a moron also with his 3 titles :notsure:
I beleive I stated it does not make me right...so I am saying I could be or I am wrong....right?
THe only stat you have posted that is of importance is the turnover stat. Flip that and you could have a flip in the score.
I do believe somehow if the game is close special teams will also play a key roll.
As for my comments on the Vanderfoot situation...I am simply pointing out Foot was kicking at a 66% clip this year...and Gramatica a life long 60% clip. I am not certain if this move will solve the kicking issue with Dallas and perhaps was not a wise move....65% is better than 60% or I beleive to be exact G is slightly over 62% but less than Foot's current % this year when released. It does not appear to be a wise move by Jones pn paper given the Gramtica %....but that is my opinion. Foot was not a wise move either...but who knew he would still be suffering from Scott Norwood disease.
If you need a big kick....you certainly need and want better than a 62.8% chance of making it..or a 66%. IMO....Dallas and Jones did not really find a solution....but there are only so many choices this time of year. I personally would not be comfortable with Gramatica at 62.8%
He makes a little better than 6 out of 10 kicks for his CAREER

 

[scubadoo]

I did not realize the original post in this thread is a cut and paste form the Rant on the COwboys website . In order to "balance" the Rant...here is a take from nola.com...yes, I give the folks props when I bring it here...not my analysis
Wednesday, December 06, 2006
A good laugh at "The Rant"
While doing some research on the Saints vs. Cowboys match I came across this blog called "The Rant." After reading a few comments I had to laugh. After reading the blog and comments you would think that Dallas should already be crowned Super Bowl champions for the next decade.
One "expert" talks about how the Saints have only beaten "ok" teams this season. Let's take a look at who the Cowboys have beaten.
Washington 4-8 - Yep, the Redskins are also on their way to the playoffs!
Tennessee - 5-7 - MUCH better team than Washington!
Houston - 4-8 - Another high powered match.
Carolina - 6-6 - Only a .500 team...raising eyebrows yet? Did not think so!
Arizona - 3-9 - BIG win beating up on a sorry team.
Indianapolis - 10-2 - I'll give you this one. Good win!
Tampa Bay - 3-9 - Wow another....great...win.
N.Y. Giants - 6-6 - *See Carolina above.
As you can see the only reputable win the Cowboys have had was against a Colts team who have the worst rushing defense in the NFL. As I said one of the "experts" on the "Rant" board claims that the Saints have not played anyone.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by watson3
The first line of your post..
The Rant had the error but it is now corrected on the Cowboys website as someone pointed out this error as you did.
Evidently, the cut and paste came before the correction.

 

[scubadoo]

With a big game coming up and so important..I am not certain why T-O continues on with these statements....Certainly, this is not helping the COwboys given the Saints coming in town. This is why I simply have no respect for this guy.
T.O. admits tuning out Parcells' speech
12/6/2006, 4:34 p.m. CT
By JAIME ARON
The Associated Press
IRVING, Texas (AP) — When Bill Parcells told the Dallas Cowboys what it takes to win a championship, Terrell Owens wasn't listening.
"The championship speech? I must have went to sleep on that one," T.O. said, laughing.
Parcells gave his speech Monday, a day after a pivotal win in New York and hours before Owens flew to Los Angeles for an ostentatious 33rd birthday party he threw himself. All sorts of Hollywood types showed up and the Maloof family, owners of the Sacramento Kings, gave him a diamond-crammed watch worth nearly $50,000.
Back in the locker room Wednesday, Owens insisted he didn't recall Parcells' words of wisdom about the things the Cowboys (8-4) need to do down the stretch as they try to win their division for the first time since 1998.
"I can't remember. I had my mind on the party," he said when asked a second time about Monday's speech. "I have no earthly idea of what you are possibly talking about. I don't remember. I was already in L.A. ... He'll have to redo it."
Things have been pretty quiet on the T.O. front since Parcells changed quarterbacks, dumping Drew Bledsoe for Tony Romo. The Cowboys are 5-1 since, with four straight wins, and Owens' numbers have shot up, too.
Yet Owens always seems to be a story waiting to happen.
Last week, it was criticizing the team's decision to cut kicker Mike Vanderjagt. Now, even if he's only pretending to have tuned out Parcells, Owens comes across as ignoring what could be his coach's most important advice of the season.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
I did not realize the original post in this thread is a cut and paste form the Rant on the COwboys website . In order to "balance" the Rant...here is a take from nola.com...yes, I give the folks props when I bring it here...not my analysis
Wednesday, December 06, 2006
A good laugh at "The Rant"
While doing some research on the Saints vs. Cowboys match I came across this blog called "The Rant." After reading a few comments I had to laugh. After reading the blog and comments you would think that Dallas should already be crowned Super Bowl champions for the next decade.
One "expert" talks about how the Saints have only beaten "ok" teams this season. Let's take a look at who the Cowboys have beaten.
Washington 4-8 - Yep, the Redskins are also on their way to the playoffs!
Tennessee - 5-7 - MUCH better team than Washington!
Houston - 4-8 - Another high powered match.
Carolina - 6-6 - Only a .500 team...raising eyebrows yet? Did not think so!
Arizona - 3-9 - BIG win beating up on a sorry team.
Indianapolis - 10-2 - I'll give you this one. Good win!
Tampa Bay - 3-9 - Wow another....great...win.
N.Y. Giants - 6-6 - *See Carolina above.
As you can see the only reputable win the Cowboys have had was against a Colts team who have the worst rushing defense in the NFL. As I said one of the "experts" on the "Rant" board claims that the Saints have not played anyone.
Our schedule isnt exactly killer but it isnt weak either. We also barely lost to Jax on the road with Bledsoe playing bad and the NY and Carolina wins were on the road on national TV. The rest of the wins(except Indy) are a little weak but we didnt just beat Arizona, Houston, Tennessee and Tampa. We dominated all of those teams and beat them badly. In my mind, greats teams should be pounding weak teams and we have done that this year with Romo except for Washington.
Either way, we can only play who is on the schedule. According to the experts we couldnt even play a tough schedule since every team in the NFC is considered garbage except the Cowboys, Bears and Aints anyways. If we beat NO, we are clearly at worst the 2nd best team in the NFC and will have a VERY good shot at the #2 seed. The way Grossman is playing now, i'll take our chances against Chicago if we can get there.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Our schedule isnt exactly killer but it isnt weak either. We also barely lost to Jax on the road with Bledsoe playing bad and the NY and Carolina wins were on the road on national TV. The rest of the wins(except Indy) are a little weak but we didnt just beat Arizona, Houston, Tennessee and Tampa. We dominated all of those teams and beat them badly. In my mind, greats teams should be pounding weak teams and we have done that this year with Romo except for Washington.
Either way, we can only play who is on the schedule. According to the experts we couldnt even play a tough schedule since every team in the NFC is considered garbage except the Cowboys, Bears and Aints anyways. If we beat NO, we are clearly at worst the 2nd best team in the NFC and will have a VERY good shot at the #2 seed. The way Grossman is playing now, i'll take our chances against Chicago if we can get there.

I suggest you include Seattle...unless you consider them garbage.