Cyano question?

pezenfuego

pezenfuego

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I don't have cyano and I beat it, but that doesn't mean I don't have questions.
Cyanobacteria is a bacteria that likes nutrient rich water with adequate lighting. It can reproduce very very quickly in these conditions. If these conditions aren't provided, then it dies...or does it?
Bacteria changes into endospores when conditions for it to thrive aren't met. These endospores can linger for years. If the conditions are met later and the endospores are still existent, the bacteria can begin to germinate again.
Here's my question: If I beat the cyanobacteria by reducing the nutrient content of my water and by cutting back the light, it can come back if the conditions for it are met again in the tank's life.
If I beat the cyano by using antibiotic cyano-removers, will the bacteria still form endospores? Will the chances of getting cyano again literally be 0% after that?
JW FWIW
TIA
 
mudplayerx

mudplayerx

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Cyanobacteria most often occurs due to lack of sufficient water flow. You need at least 20x the volume of your tank as turnover per hour.
I HIGHLY discourage anyone from using commercial slime/cyano removers in your tank. Not only are they only a temporary solution, but they kill your beneficial bacteria as well.
 
pezenfuego

pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by mudplayerx
http:///forum/post/2991798
Cyanobacteria most often occurs due to lack of sufficient water flow. You need at least 20x the volume of your tank as turnover per hour.
I HIGHLY discourage anyone from using commercial slime/cyano removers in your tank. Not only are they only a temporary solution, but they kill your beneficial bacteria as well.
Yes, I realize that. What does that have to do with anything? If you don't know don't post. Don't just post randomness to increase your post count or a mod will be notified.
 
spanko

spanko

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Good one PEZ, I saw his post about notifying mods too.
Sorry cannot answer your question though.
 
mudplayerx

mudplayerx

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Please conduct yourself in a civil manner here. This is a forum for a business and if you drive away customers with your bad attitude then I will make sure that you are no longer able to post.
 
pezenfuego

pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by mudplayerx
http:///forum/post/2992641
Please conduct yourself in a civil manner here. This is a forum for a business and if you drive away customers with your bad attitude then I will make sure that you are no longer able to post.
Okay pal. Please don't tell the scary mods. Now on to business, anyone have a clue?
Adding on to this thread: Many people undertreat their tanks with redslime remover. If you undertreat with antibiotics in medicine, the remaining bacteria in your body that aren't killed from the antibiotics will morph and become resistant to the antibiotics. Hence, why penicillin isn't a miracle drug. In our aquariums, can cyanobacteria build resistance?
 
locoyo386

locoyo386

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Hi there,
Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/2991622
I don't have cyano and I beat it, but that doesn't mean I don't have questions.
Cyanobacteria is a bacteria that likes nutrient rich water with adequate lighting. It can reproduce very very quickly in these conditions. If these conditions aren't provided, then it dies...or does it?
When the water condition is not adequate for cyanobacteria (blue-green algae, blue-green bacteria) to exist, it will not exist. Once the water changes condition where it can host cyanobacteria, then cyanobacteria will be present. It is a bacteria not a parasite.
Bacteria changes into endospores when conditions for it to thrive aren't met. These endospores can linger for years. If the conditions are met later and the endospores are still existent, the bacteria can begin to germinate again.
"Nonfilamentous cyanobacteria generally produce spores such as endospores, exospores and nanocysts which contribute by germinating and giving rise to new vegetative cells when the unfavourable condition is over."
Here's my question: If I beat the cyanobacteria by reducing the nutrient content of my water and by cutting back the light, it can come back if the conditions for it are met again in the tank's life?
Yes, it will show up again once the condition of the water becomes adequate.
If I beat the cyano by using antibiotic cyano-removers, will the bacteria still form endospores?
Yes, I do believe cyanobacteri will form endospores. However, I do not know this will happen for sure.
Will the chances of getting cyano again literally be 0% after that?
No, cyano bacteria will show up again if the condition of the water is adequate. Think of it this way. If you started a fish tank without the presence of cyanobacteria or endospores, would you see it when the condition of the water is adequate? Yes, cyanobacteria will still form. On a different topic, using antibiotic to get rid of cyanobacteria is a temporary solution. I believe that, like with any other type of bacteria, cyanobacteria will eventually adapt to the atibiotic remidy. It will make cyanobacteria stronger in the longrun. Or is that a virus that does that?
JW FWIW
TIA
 
locoyo386

locoyo386

Member
Hi there,
Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/2992644
Okay pal. Please don't tell the scary mods. Now on to business, anyone have a clue?
Adding on to this thread: Many people undertreat their tanks with redslime remover. If you undertreat with antibiotics in medicine, the remaining bacteria in your body that aren't killed from the antibiotics will morph and become resistant to the antibiotics. Hence, why penicillin isn't a miracle drug. In our aquariums, can cyanobacteria build resistance?
Yes, I do believe it does. Like antibiotic in the human body, if the full dose is not taken then the risk of inhibiting the bacteria is smaller. Also note that a watercolum is different than the human body. One difference is that the human body has it's own defence mechanism. Thus if you treat bacterial infections at an early age with antibiotics you run the risk of having a more resistive bacterial strand and less effective defence mechanism. On the other hand, water colums do not have defence mechanism thus the use antibiotic remedies. In the long run the cyanobacteria will be less affected by this treatments. I do believe that cyanobacteria will become stronger if treated with antibiotic remedies. I believe it is more effective to correct the water column, when it comes to controlling cyanobacteria. Get ridoff the conditions that allow cyanobacteria to exist and it will not come back again.
 
pezenfuego

pezenfuego

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Very neat. I'm glad someone knowledgeable in this field chimed in
I'm content with my knowledge in the subject
 
spanko

spanko

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Originally Posted by mudplayerx
http:///forum/post/2992641
Please conduct yourself in a civil manner here. This is a forum for a business and if you drive away customers with your bad attitude then I will make sure that you are no longer able to post.
I have seen this kind of talk in a couple of your posts now. Are you a contract security officer hired by SWF to keep us all in line? Either way you have certainly alienated yourself from my having much to do with you.
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/2993305
I have seen this kind of talk in a couple of your posts now. Are you a contract security officer hired by SWF to keep us all in line? Either way you have certainly alienated yourself from my having much to do with you.
AND
 
pezenfuego

pezenfuego

Active Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/2993305
I have seen this kind of talk in a couple of your posts now. Are you a contract security officer hired by SWF to keep us all in line? Either way you have certainly alienated yourself from my having much to do with you.
 
mudplayerx

mudplayerx

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/2993305
I have seen this kind of talk in a couple of your posts now. Are you a contract security officer hired by SWF to keep us all in line? Either way you have certainly alienated yourself from my having much to do with you.

The loss of your company will truly haunt me.
 
mudplayerx

mudplayerx

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Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/2993677
Lets try to stay on topic mudplayerx! This is my thread, don't bring this crap in here.
I've really had enough of you two, and I'm not the only one getting a little tired of your bad attitudes on this site. Be aware that your behavior is being monitored. I suggest you stop acting this way.
 
pezenfuego

pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by mudplayerx
http:///forum/post/2993681
I've really had enough of you two, and I'm not the only one getting a little tired of your bad attitudes on this site. Be aware that your behavior is being monitored. I suggest you stop acting this way.
I suggest that if you are tired of our bad attitudes, you discontinue your posting on this thread.
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by mudplayerx
http:///forum/post/2993681
I've really had enough of you two, and I'm not the only one getting a little tired of your bad attitudes on this site. Be aware that your behavior is being monitored. I suggest you stop acting this way.
OMG what got you so freakin uptight?? Can't you give or receive info and have a little enjoyment too....GEEZ
 
pezenfuego

pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/2993712
OMG what got you so freakin uptight?? Can't you give or receive info and have a little enjoyment too....GEEZ
Enjoyment? ENJOYMENT! This is a board for the purpose of education and research. This monstrosity you are referring to shall not be had by the board members. We need to increase productivity and try diligently to not hurt the feelings of others. Where would society be if we just tried to have fun all day? Do not attempt to make another post as the one previous, or you will be terminated. As a member of saltwaterfish.com you are expected to behave and act like a zombie robot. If you fail to do so, I will report you to a moderator and you will no longer contaminate this board with this horrible disease you refer to as enjoyment. Now I must go, I need to recharge my battery and initiate sleep mode.
 
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