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tank a holic

tank a holic

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Yes, just stop and relax
you added prime, a fish died and you addded more prime? I dont think I would have done that. Im not saying the prime killed him but still bad idea
Stop adding chemicals, add some base rock and biozome to get your bacteria growing
dont feed anything for like 2 days during those days do a couple 25% + wc's
some people will say its bad to do big wc's but thats crap, the water's bad and needs to be replaced with good
the bacteria you do have is on the rocks not in the water so you wont be losing any
what are your params now?
 
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gwhunter

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I need some advice on the rock and wet dry. I have a berliner wetdry and need an overflow and return pump. How do I determine the gph I need of the overflow and return pump. Should I wait till the copper treatment is done to add the rock? Thanks for the replies it seems not many folks seem to interested in repling to this thread.
Matt
 
gypsana

gypsana

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Originally Posted by GWhunter
http:///forum/post/3108606
I need some advice on the rock and wet dry. I have a berliner wetdry and need an overflow and return pump. How do I determine the gph I need of the overflow and return pump. Should I wait till the copper treatment is done to add the rock? Thanks for the replies it seems not many folks seem to interested in repling to this thread.
Matt
Since you already did the copper treatment the copper is going to be in your system even after the treatment is complete. That is why spending money on live rock is a waste. You might want to get a few pieces to jump start the needed biological filtration but base rock (looks just like live rock) would be your best bet. If you do purchase some live rock it will seed the base rock. But then again the copper in your system is going to be detrimental. When purchasing and overflow box and a return pump they have charts as guide lines for your system size, just remember to account for head lose on the return. Personally I would get a dual overflow with at least 900 gph and a return that has a max of 1200 gph (like a mag 12). A ball valve or gate valve can be attached to the return so you can control your return flow if needed. A lot of threads get limited replies especially during the summer. I am not being rude but you already have made some pretty big mistakes and you seen set on doing what you want so that does turn some people away from trying to help. But I will always give advice whether it is taken or not. Some peoples advice is not right anyhow so you should never take one persons response as the golden rule (except for a select few users that have been here for a long time
). I hope this helps some.
 
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gwhunter

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No offense taken I was pretty set on trying things my own way. I did know all the right things to do. I just picked up a precision marine skimmer rated for a 200g. I've got the wet dry in the way I'm just in need of the overflow and return pump. I'm thinking an 800gph cpr overflow with aqualifter pump. Then I was thinking of a 830 gph ehiem pump. I bought the skimmer at a semi local fs, a well respected marine store. I talked with the owner about my issues and he said my tank may have not even cycled. He said I can use the cuprisorb to remove the copper and then to start adding lr. I was thinking I can add rubble to the wet dry and algea also. So does all this sound like I'm on the right track? I appreciate the replys I've gotten.
Matt
 
gypsana

gypsana

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Originally Posted by GWhunter http:///forum/post/3108903
No offense taken I was pretty set on trying things my own way. I did know all the right things to do. I just picked up a precision marine skimmer rated for a 200g. I've got the wet dry in the way I'm just in need of the overflow and return pump. I'm thinking an 800gph cpr overflow with aqualifter pump. Then I was thinking of a 830 gph ehiem pump. I bought the skimmer at a semi local fs, a well respected marine store. I talked with the owner about my issues and he said my tank may have not even cycled. He said I can use the cuprisorb to remove the copper and then to start adding lr. I was thinking I can add rubble to the wet dry and algea also. So does all this sound like I'm on the right track? I appreciate the replys I've gotten.
Matt

You are going to need a pump with more gph because of head loss. Alosoi before adding the live rock get a copper test kit to make sure there is no traces left in your tank. See this thread for some useful info.
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/358424/api-copper-test-kit-water-sample-turned-clear
As for everything else, sounds like you are on the right track.
 
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gwhunter

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I already have the copper test kit. I found copper useless without the test kit. What size pump would you recommend? I was planning on adding a valve on the return to throttle the water if needed.
Matt
 
gypsana

gypsana

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Here is a chart for the Mag Drive pumps. I would go with the 12 myself. Just gives you a good idea about head loss.
 
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gwhunter

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I just wanted to update this thread for others who have these issues. First off thanks for all the replies and your advice was spot on. My tank params are looking great. Ph=8.2,Nitrates=0,Nitrites=0,Ammonia=0. I tested several times and brought a sample to LFS to make sure and all looks good. I was a bit bummed out when my wet dry arrive damaged. I tried to make a repair and added a few new pieces of acrylic.I let the sealant dry for 48hrs and tested operation. It still leaks so in the meantime I had already ordered another filter. So it looks like my overflow(cpr1200 gph) wetdry(berliner) and return pump(rio 26hf) should arrive on the 25th. So I'l be able to set it all up and running this coming week. I've also been looking at live rock and have a tub set up and running for curing. I'm going to run the cuprisorb for a while before adding the rock into the system. One thing that I feel really helped the process was adding the bio wheel to the hot magnum. So now when I set up my qt I'm going to order a filter with the same bio wheels and take the used wheels and add it to the qt to start the cycle. Plus I'll add used water from a water change. Is it a good idea to keep one or two small cheap fish in the qt to keep the bio load going? I was thinking a few damsels of chomis would be ok. I don't plan on adding anymore fish for a while so I figured I could just let the qt do it's thing.
Thanks
Matt
 
nigerbang

nigerbang

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Where to begin...
First you said Coralife skimmer now its something else... Dunno whats going on in there..
Ghost feed the tank to finish the cycle.. Copper was one of the worst moves you could have made...
Wet/Dry suck in general...
Bacteria in a bottle is snake oil and a nice way to waste money..
IF it was me.. I would pull it all down and start from scratch and read a few books before I did anything else..
 
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gwhunter

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Originally Posted by NigerBang
http:///forum/post/3118414
Where to begin...
First you said Coralife skimmer now its something else... Dunno whats going on in there..
Ghost feed the tank to finish the cycle.. Copper was one of the worst moves you could have made...
Wet/Dry suck in general...
Bacteria in a bottle is snake oil and a nice way to waste money..
IF it was me.. I would pull it all down and start from scratch and read a few books before I did anything else..
What are you talking about. I just said the tank is fine. Can you not read? I didn't get a coralife skimmer.
Matt
 
nigerbang

nigerbang

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Originally Posted by NigerBang
http:///forum/post/3118414
Where to begin...
First you said Coralife skimmer now its something else... Dunno whats going on in there..
Ghost feed the tank to finish the cycle.. Copper was one of the worst moves you could have made...
Wet/Dry suck in general...
Bacteria in a bottle is snake oil and a nice way to waste money..
IF it was me.. I would pull it all down and start from scratch and read a few books before I did anything else..
Yes I can read.. And been doing this A HELL of alot longer than most.. Your post are chaotic at best with the back and forth.. I gave you my opinion.. As I said.. Best of luck with the copper..
You said the LFS test your water... So assuming you have your own kits, why use them to test the water?
You dosed copper BAM instant red flag.. I would slow down and rethink the things you say.. Next time I see you need help (and it will happen.. I'll be sure to avoid your thread... do the same for mine.. Although you wont see me ask for help except maybe once every 2 years or so.. Some can take helpful info and some are know it all nothings..
So.. A good place to start is to STOP and start ordering books...
Not even going into your stocklist....
 
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gwhunter

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Listen pal opinions are like.... well you know. I've been keeping fish for over
15yrs. Alot has changed in this hobby since the last time I had salt. The posts
were Q&A and the posters who responded obviously got what I was asking. My thanks goes out the posters who offered the help. I'm sorry my posts didn't live up to an internet expert like yourself. And don't worry you and I won't be conversing anymore!
Matt
 
nigerbang

nigerbang

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Originally Posted by GWhunter
http:///forum/post/3118852
Listen pal opinions are like.... well you know. I've been keeping fish for over
15yrs. Alot has changed in this hobby since the last time I had salt. The posts
were Q&A and the posters who responded obviously got what I was asking. My thanks goes out the posters who offered the help. I'm sorry my posts didn't live up to an internet expert like yourself. And don't worry you and I won't be conversing anymore!
Matt
I wasnt meaning to come across as an "expert" as you put it.. Was in a terrible mood and realize I came across as an Azzhole... Sorry about that..
Glad you got figured out what you needed to sort out..
Once again.. Most people are here to help and I am one of them.. Like I said.. Bad day.. if it means anything Sorry...
If you were closer I would toss up a frag as a peace offering..
 
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gwhunter

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Originally Posted by NigerBang
http:///forum/post/3118868
I wasnt meaning to come across as an "expert" as you put it.. Was in a terrible mood and realize I came across as an Azzhole... Sorry about that..
Glad you got figured out what you needed to sort out..
Once again.. Most people are here to help and I am one of them.. Like I said.. Bad day.. if it means anything Sorry...
If you were closer I would toss up a frag as a peace offering..
I accept your apologie, we all have our bad days. I was real big into discus for quite awhile. The marine hobby has advanced a ton since the last time I had a tank. I did jump the gun a bit so I had issues. The worst part is I fully knew better. I'm on the right track now and intend to stay that way.
I've put alot of research into the right way and spent quite a bit. I'm looking forward to setting up my 210g in the next year or so. As you guys know this hobby is addicting. Thanks
Matt
 
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