Dan's 40Gal Breeder Tank Diary

dgonci

Member
Well I am going to migrate part of my thread from the new hobbyists thread over to here since this is going to be a reef tank, and this is a more appropriate place for it.....
Well having finally gotten to a point in my military career where retirement is getting close, and I have fallen into an assignment where I should not be relocating any time soon, I decided to go ahead and dive into setting up an aquarium. After several books and countless posts read I decided to set up a 40 Gal Breeder tank with the long term goal to make it a reef tank. I also spoke to a couple of different LFS, one of which ended up refusing to sell anything to me because I wouldn't buy the whole package from him. I was looking to get the 40 Gal tank drilled so that I wouldn't have anything hanging on the back. He told me I wouldn't find prices cheaper anywhere else, so of course the first place I went when I got home was google. Anyhow, the bottom line was that all I wanted from him was the tank, stand, and top, with the tank drilled, and bulkheads installed. He refused to do it, so I learned of another place on the net, ordered the equipment and drilled it myself. BTW, drilling a tank for the 1st time is just a tad stressful as you listen to the bit grind through the glass. I ended up going with the following setup:
40 Gal Breeder Tank
2 Hydor Koralia 1's 800 gph total flow
Coralife Lunar Aqualight Deluxe Series-36" (2X96W) with 2- 3/4W Blue-Moon-Glow LED Lamps
Proflex 100 Refugium
2 100w Jaeger Heaters located in the sump
1 Gal Carib Sea Mineral Mud
40 Lbs of Carib Sea Reef Sand 1 - 1.7mm grain size
Supreme Mag 3 Return Pump 350gph
50 Lbs Walt Smith Permium Fiji Pre Cured Live Rock
Everything came in good order and allowed me to plumb it all together with PVC pipe and get it all up and running. Even the rock came exceptionally well with only a tiny amount of rubble in the box (I ended up making a small pile of it in the tank for some depth).
Back of the tank with plumbing


Pro Flex 100 Refugium


700gph Glass-holes overflow kit


The actual setup of the tank in the house went well, until I got it leveled and filled with water, and then my wife decided that the tank would be better off in another place. This of course was after I cemented the PVC pipe into place. More fun draining the tank, and then moving it on the stand with the sand still in it, some of the rock and a little bit of water. Anyhow here is the tank in its final resting place, filled and aquascaped...

Well the cycle came and went a bit faster than I had expected, but all of my levels are good, and I had algae growing pretty good. I figured now was a good time to go and start putting together a CUC. This is what I ended up with for the moment:
1 Scarlet Leg Hermit crab
2 Blue Leg hermit crabs
1 Mexican Turbo Snail
5 Astrea Snails
10-15 tiny ( about 1/4" for the largest one) Caribbean Cerith Snails
The Cerith snails the LFS threw in for free, since they must have bred in one of his tanks and he had a boatload of them in one of his tanks. They are doing a good job so far of cleaning off the rocks. The one area I need help on is the sand bed. The LFS did not have any Nasser snails, so my sand bed is starting to get a bit of brown algae on it. Monday I am going to pick up a fighting conch, and some nassarius snails to round out the package. I am also debating an emerald crab as well.
One of the tiny Cerith Snails I picked up


Once the clean up crew got under way I picked up an Occelaris Clown. He is still a bit skittish, and has not eaten much. Nibbled on a few brine shrimp, but hopefully he will get settled in the upcoming days so that he will eat. He mostly stays on the side of he tank, but occasionally will venture out and swim around.
Occelaris Clown out swimming around


Small Kenya Tree frag with some nice Coraline algae to boot


So after few weeks things are looking good in the tank. I should be getting some Chaeto for the refugium on Monday, as well as some snails or the sand bed algae.
Yay...Copy Paste complete!!!!
 

dgonci

Member
Just an update on mu CUC. I went out and picked up a few new additions to my CUC yesterday:
1 Emerald Crab
1 Fighting Conch
4 Nassarius Snails
They are doing a good job on the sand bed already. I also picked up some Chaeto as well and plopped that down into my refugium. The Emerald crab is pretty cool to watch as he cruises around eating/cleaning whatever is in his path. My clown is getting comfortable in the tank now and is swimming arund quite a bit. When I actually can make it home during hours that my tank lights are on I will add some more pictures.
 

dplantz

Member
Looks nice so far, bet it wil turn out great. I remember your old thread, I posted a few times on it. Thanks to you I hooked my brother up with the idea of the Proflex fuge and he got one.
 

dgonci

Member
So far I am pretty happy with the proflex refugium. The only thing I noticed now that I put in the Chaeto is that the flow through it is not enough to tumble it. So basically I am just going to turn it periodically. Oh and my original heater did not fit into it, so I purchased two 100w heaters instead of the 200w one.
 

dgonci

Member
Well now that the weekend came I had some time o post some pictures of the crabs I picked up. I managed to catch them both out in proximity of my kenya tree which caused it to retract a bit.

Kenya Tree expanded a bit when the crabs left it alone...


I also switched my food for my clown. He was eating a bit of frozen brine shrimp cubes, but did not seem to excited about it. I switched to cyclop-eeze and he swims around like a maniac in the tank now. I am not sure what is in it but the little guy sure seems to like it.
 

crow666

Member
Nice tank.How does that 700gph overflow with the 350gph return pump work(i mean does it work good)?
I was planing on running a 300gph overflow with a 500gph return.Would it be better to does as you did?
Thanks,
Cory
 

dgonci

Member
Originally Posted by CROW666
http:///forum/post/2668173
Nice tank.How does that 700gph overflow with the 350gph return pump work(i mean does it work good)?
I was planing on running a 300gph overflow with a 500gph return.Would it be better to does as you did?
Thanks,
Cory
It works fine. The guys who make the overflow kit explained to me that it would be quiet since I am not even close to my capacity with my return pump. Also with the hight of the return pipe I am probably only getting about 275gph through the tank. So basically it is rated for any return pumps less than 700gph, anyhting more and it would drain the sump faster than the water would return. They also had a 1500gph overflow box, but that would be way to much for my needs.
 

dgonci

Member
Originally Posted by dplantz
http:///forum/post/2668145
Nice, got any full tank shots yet? Or is it too "dull"
I will take one this week. Monday I am going to go take a look at some rics that a guy has and order some fish. Still a bit plain with only he clown swimming around. Currently I am planning to add over time a midas blenny, a pair of firefish, a pair of cleaner shrimp, and once then tank gets good and mature, either a scooter blennie, or a mandarin. As far as corals, still not sure but I like alot of the rics, but am looking around to get some ideas.
 

dgonci

Member
Over the past couple of weeks, I have added a bunch of stuff to the tank. I ended up adding a few more snails to the CUC, picked up a ric, small zoo rock, and frogspawn coral. All of the corals are doing good except the ricordea. It seems to have give me he most trouble. I had it on the rock that I bought it on, in an area with moderate flow, but it detached itself. After some trial and error I managed to get it placed on a rock that it seems to be happy with. I am not sure what kind of zoos I got, but they are brown with a green center. The frogspawn I got has four heads and is the green one with the pink tips. They all look pretty neat under the actinics or moon LEDs at night. As far as other livestock I added a pair of cleaner shrimp, and a pair of Flame Firefish. The Ricordea pre-move...

The Ricordea on its new home...


Cleaner Shrimp...


Flame firefish and the zoo rock...


FrogSpawn...


FTS


Last picture I got today is of my nassarius snails. I placed a small piece of a scallop in the tank for my emerald crabs to eat. All of a sudden the snails came out of the sand bed and 4 of them devoured the scallop.
 
What corals do you plan on keeping? I am in the process of setting up my 40 gallon breeder also and just added my first SPS frags. :)
 

dgonci

Member
RIght now I am not sure what all types of corals I will keep. I am kinda playing it by what I can find here locally as well as what will do well under my lighting. While it is a PC it seems to be fairly bright in my tank, probably since it is fairly shallow compared to larger systems. The only coral that I have light issues with so far is the ricordea. It seems to curl up when the lights come on, but spreads out when the light go off. Ive been looking at more of the LPS like the Favias, Brains, and the Hammer/Torches. I like the ricordea, but I am still trying to figure out why this one is acting up. I may try an SPS near the top, but one thing at a time. Hopefully the midas blenny i asked for will come in this week.
 
If you only have PC's don't waste your money on SPS. You should not buy corals for awhile, save your money, and buy better lighting. You'll be happier in the long run.
 

dgonci

Member
Originally Posted by smokingreefer
http:///forum/post/2688029
If you only have PC's don't waste your money on SPS. You should not buy corals for awhile, save your money, and buy better lighting. You'll be happier in the long run.
You know, that seems to be a fairly common trend to state that you need better lighting. There are a lot of good reads online about lighting. When you really get into the meat of it, it comes down to the spectrum of lighting between 400nm and 700nm iirc, the band that most corals need for their photosynthisis. Everthing else we put in our tank for lighting ends up being for a purely asthetic purpose. While it is true that T-5 with a good individual reflector or a MH light certainly puts out a greater intensity of light in that spectrum, a decent PC seems to do just fine as well. SO far I have not had any issues with any of the corals I have, and all of them are growing just fine. There are also a lot of articles out there about overlighting our tanks. I just took a look at the pictures I took underwater a few years back when I went snorkleing among the reefs in teh Maldives, and none of them were nearly as bright as some of the tanks out there. Anyhow, I think most of the lights out there will work for various types of livestock. The aquarist just needs to understand the capabilities of thier system and place livestock accordingly. I have a 40G Breeder, so I do not have a whole lot of depth to even deal with. Of all my corals I have so far, the only one that does better when it is out of the light is my ricordea, which I figured would do fine since I have a PC light. Not sure if there is such a thing as too bright for a ricordea, but mine curls up everytime the lights come on.
 

matt b

Active Member
Originally Posted by dgonci
http:///forum/post/2695035
You know, that seems to be a fairly common trend to state that you need better lighting. There are a lot of good reads online about lighting. When you really get into the meat of it, it comes down to the spectrum of lighting between 400nm and 700nm iirc, the band that most corals need for their photosynthisis. Everthing else we put in our tank for lighting ends up being for a purely asthetic purpose. While it is true that T-5 with a good individual reflector or a MH light certainly puts out a greater intensity of light in that spectrum, a decent PC seems to do just fine as well. SO far I have not had any issues with any of the corals I have, and all of them are growing just fine. There are also a lot of articles out there about overlighting our tanks. I just took a look at the pictures I took underwater a few years back when I went snorkleing among the reefs in teh Maldives, and none of them were nearly as bright as some of the tanks out there. Anyhow, I think most of the lights out there will work for various types of livestock. The aquarist just needs to understand the capabilities of thier system and place livestock accordingly. I have a 40G Breeder, so I do not have a whole lot of depth to even deal with. Of all my corals I have so far, the only one that does better when it is out of the light is my ricordea, which I figured would do fine since I have a PC light. Not sure if there is such a thing as too bright for a ricordea, but mine curls up everytime the lights come on.
I agree. It light is just a little part of that they need. If you have a good PC bulb and good reflectors and keep on top of your dosing then you will be fine. And I agree that alot of people are over lighting their tanks. And since you have the width to add more bulbs and not so high I am sure it will be great. I have VHO on my 75 and have almost all SPS and the growth I get is just amazing. It is cause I keep up with water changes, have a good skimmer, and dose EVERYDAY and never miss a day.
 

dgonci

Member
Originally Posted by MaTT B
http:///forum/post/2695044
It is cause I keep up with water changes, have a good skimmer, and dose EVERYDAY and never miss a day.
I am just curious Matt, what do you dose. Currently I am not dosing anything. The guy at the LFS is also a chemist for the local water dept. He is testing my water for me to see exactly what it is. It will be interesting to see what it compares to teh test kits.
 

matt b

Active Member
Originally Posted by dgonci
http:///forum/post/2695448
I am just curious Matt, what do you dose. Currently I am not dosing anything. The guy at the LFS is also a chemist for the local water dept. He is testing my water for me to see exactly what it is. It will be interesting to see what it compares to teh test kits.
Right now I dose kent marine two part. I have tried two little fishy, kent turbo cal and super dkh, and a few others but like the kent two part the best.
 

dgonci

Member
I have a couple of new additions from the past few weeks. After recieving a black combtooth blenny instead of a midas and discovering that it was not very reef safe, I finally got my midas blenny. I also picked up a nice 3 head duncan, and a small orange digitata. All are doing well and the digitata has shown new growth already. I thought I lost one of my firefish this week, but it turns out he wanted to go on a vacation to my refugium, but instead was stuck in my filter sock. Needless to say he is back home now in the DT. I have also managed to find a place where my ricordea seems to be happy.Fully opened the largest head is about the size of a 50 cent piece

Orange Digitata frag


Midas Blenny in his "cave"


Midas Blenny out swimming

 

dgonci

Member
Just wanted to post some pictures of my new additions. I got a few others that I dont have pictures of since they are small. I have managed to get a few small frags of things that have either broken off or were detached and sitting on the bottom of the tank. Mostly small Zoanthid frags, and one small 3 head candycane. The ORA HAwkins I got is an incredible green under the actinics, but he picture doesnt reflect it enough. I tried playing with the settings on my camera bit to capture it better.Acan Frag

Red Mushrooms


Palys


Green Rhodactus


ORA Hawkins Echinata under 10K's


ORA Hawkins Echinata under Actinics

 

rebelprettyboy

Active Member
Nice! What lights are you runnin? Im settin up a 40 breeder as well...
I ordered the same overlfow kit as u. Any tips on drilling? and placement on where u drilled urs?
 
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