Death Penalty Ruling

sepulatian

sepulatian

Moderator
My cousin was molested by her step father from age nine. She had a child by him at age 16. She was threatened with the many fire arms in the house, the step father was a hunter. Her mother is a CO. She worked the 11pm-7am shift. After the baby was born (we were all told it was a one night stand) my aunt walked in on not just the baby suckling. It was bad. None of us had any clue until after the fact. He got two years in county jail. That is all. Nine is as far back as she can remember. My aunt is a CO in the federal prison here, not the county jail where he went. It was ridiculous. He got a slap on the wrist. My aunt pressed full charges against her husband. He was out in 18 months for good behavior, even with DNA.
 
T

tizzo

Guest
People like that? They have no place in this world if you ask me. Useless waste of space and oxygen.
What's sad is, he's prolly doing it again. That's not something you just accidentally do. That is something you "like" and if people like it, they find ways to do it.
Well sep, if I was on the jury, there'd be no way he'd have one iota of compassion.
His story, his "illness', his childhood, whatever, I just don't care. He should hang.
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2663015
People like that? They have no place in this world if you ask me. Useless waste of space and oxygen.
What's sad is, he's prolly doing it again. That's not something you just accidentally do. That is something you "like" and if people like it, they find ways to do it.
Well sep, if I was on the jury, there'd be no way he'd have one iota of compassion.
His story, his "illness', his childhood, whatever, I just don't care. He should hang.
He came from a good family. I have spent more time with his parents then I ever did with him as my "uncle". My aunt came into the house to pack and he hid. Seriously hid in the bathroom and locked the door. He was arrested later. Yep he was out 18 months. Free and clear to go about his nasty life.
You don't know how bad every member of my family wanted to cause pain to him. My aunt, who carries a gun, told everyone that it would do no good. She was right. Half of the men in my family would be in jail while he is walking free. So, unbelievably sad, this system is.
 
T

tangofish

Guest
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2662775
As parents, it's really important for us to know who has access to our kids. Especially, with day care, preschool and school we need to get to know the people who are with our kids. I'm not worried about strangers, they have zero access to my kids -- it's the people they interact with everyday who you need to worry about and if you have any kind of suspicion you need to look into it.
Yeah...well, mayority of the time is someone closer than those ppl, like their own father, step father, or uncle, you know? Or maybe the best family "friend"...this is my experience with these topic...
And the problem is that you CANT believe that those ppl can ever hurt you like this... believe me.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2662512
It's truly sad to me that it turned out this way, and I hate to make anything political here...but it is.
The vote was 5-4.
The 5 Democrat versus 4 Republican. Nuff said.
I wonder.... We got "Justice" Kennedy when Bork was Borked by the dems. Another thing to thank liberals for.
Remember to read the words in the Constitution, it says cruel AND unusual. It does not read cruel or unusual. Therefore lethal injection may be "cruel" ( not by my standards), but it is the standard method of execution and therefore not "unusual". Using the definition of "and" the punishment must be BOTH cruel and unusual to be unconstitutional.
I find lethal injection Constitutional as passed by the PEOPLE.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2662958
Folks,
Another point this idiot Kennedy made is that nobody had been executed for an act that hadn't resulted in a fatality in over 50 years. So what? Remember all the talk of Stari Decisis during the last round of court nominations? The court has allowed the death penalty for things a lot less serious than this since the first court.

Kennedy's wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg
They did not directly cause any deaths that I can find.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

Active Member
I offer up a solution. Ok so the death penalty is off the table and Prison is don't ask don't tell now so they don't receive due justice in there now.
I saw we create a federal prison, In Arizona near the border. We let sherriff Joe run it like his tent prison. They get a baloney sandwich for meals and water only. No privileges and you do hard labor in the sun. and your sentence is life without parole......I would gladly send my tax dollars and an extra donation each year for a prison such as that.
 
reefraff

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2663273
Kennedy's wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg
They did not directly cause any deaths that I can find.
That is an exception mentioned and reaffirmed in the ruling. The government still has the right to execute in cases or treason or spying. Which brings up a whole other issue regarding this ruling. Why would it be cruel and unusual to off a molestor but not a traitor or spy?
 
reefraff

reefraff

Active Member
So in todays gun ruling the court gets it right but in his dissent Justice Stevens said there was no evidence to support the idea that the founders intended to limit the governments ability to restrict gun ownership. Have these people never read the federalist papers and other writings of those who crafted and voted for the second amendment

There are numerous instances where these people plainly stated that one of the reasons for the amendment was that a well armed population was a deterent to a government becoming tyrannical
 
angler man

angler man

Member
What is going on with our country. I'm starting to think some of our Justices may be pedophiles with that ruling. Any monster that could violate a small child is not fit for any society. I think we need to start hanging judges personally, this country protects the vile, while destroying the rights of the innocent.
The answer is simple, Death Penalty or life in prison without parole decided by the family who was violated.
 
darknes

darknes

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2662302
"there is a national consensus against capital punishment for the crime of child ----."
I want to know where this national consensus against it comes from. Not one person on SWF has come up in favor of the ruling. Both McCain and Obama are also both against the ruling.
I'm wondering what polls these "justices" are looking at, and why that even should come into effect in their ruling.
 
crimzy

crimzy

Active Member
I also think that certain heinous s-x offenders should be eligible for the death penalty.
However I'm confused about how this became a republican/democrat or conservative/liberal issue? These crimes have NEVER been punishable by death. This ruling just confirms the legal values that have been in existence since the beginning. Did the liberals create the limits on capital punishment? Sounds like a bit of scapegoating here...
 
jennythebugg

jennythebugg

Active Member
why cant they just put 'hot' issues like that up for a vote and go with majority?instead of just assuming what everyone else wants
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

Active Member
Crimzy I agree with you, it isn't a liberal conservative issue, However based on the letter of the law this is what they came to as a conclusion and can see it from their standpoint as well...which is why the D.C. gun ban was overturned, to over turn one and not the other based on the law would have caused a bigger rift. The supreme court atleast stayed in line with both decisions. I disagree with one and agree with the other but however they stayed consistant....
 
ironeagle2006

ironeagle2006

Active Member
I have a 15 month old daughter and 4 year old stepson. If anyone EVER did what this sick BASTA%D did to that 8 year old they would find out what pain truly feels like. I would start off by pulling their finger and toe nails out then jamming skewers into the exposed roots then pouring saltwater into the woulds also. Then I would remove the genitals of the person if a male and cautierze the wound with a hot knife. Then I would give him 6 tanks of air shackle him and after putting his feet in cement drop his but in Lake Michigan where he can think about facing death as he slowly runs out of air.
 
reefraff

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2663640
I also think that certain heinous s-x offenders should be eligible for the death penalty.
However I'm confused about how this became a republican/democrat or conservative/liberal issue? These crimes have NEVER been punishable by death. This ruling just confirms the legal values that have been in existence since the beginning. Did the liberals create the limits on capital punishment? Sounds like a bit of scapegoating here...
I also don't think it's a D and R issue as demonstrated by the responses here which are nearly all in fovor of this.
Even assuming the death penalty has never been applied to similar crimes, which isn't true, what would it matter? If the law was passed and on the books at the time the crime was committed there shouldn't be an issue.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2663582
I want to know where this national consensus against it comes from. Not one person on SWF has come up in favor of the ruling. Both McCain and Obama are also both against the ruling.
I'm wondering what polls these "justices" are looking at, and why that even should come into effect in their ruling.

I want to know how a "national consensus" relates to interpreting the Constitution.
Short of ammending it the "national consensus" does not matter.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top