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reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2772199
He said that in response to his vote no on restructuring legislation on fanny and freddy.
You mean the legislation Bush and McCain was pushing?

As was mentioned on the news today Freddie and Fannie is where former Democrat cabinet members go to get rich, why would they mess with them.
 

fats71

Active Member
MAYBE I'VE GOTTEN THIS ALL WRONG - ME JUST BEING AN AVERAGE MIDDLE CLASS GUY.
THIS MAN WANTS OUR VOTE FOR U.S. PRESIDENT - HIS FATHER WAS
A KENYAN, AND A BLACK- WE SAW ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE AFRICAN FAMILY.
HIS MOTHER IS KANSAN, ATHEIST, AND WHITE. SO - WHERE ARE ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE WHITE MOTHER AND HIS NICE WHITE KANSAS GRANDPARENTS - THE ONES WHO RAISED HIM ALL THOSE EARLY YEARS?
LETS SEE - HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE
WAS VERY YOUNG AND MOVED BACK TO LIVE WITH HIS FAMILY IN KENYA (THAT'S THE ONES IN THE PICTURES).
HIS WHITE MOTHER THEN MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND TOOK HIM TO THE CITY OF < st1:City w:st='on'>JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS FIRST SCHOOLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .
HIS MOTHER THEN MOVED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE MIDDLE CLASS - AMERICAN GRANDPARENTS THERE.
UMMM..NOW HERE'S THE BEGINNING OF THE HARD PART FOR ME
(HELP ME OUT HERE, IF YOU CAN):
SOMEHOW, SUDDENLY - HE WENT TO THE BEST HIGH DOLLAR PREP
SCHOOLS IN AMERICA , AND NEXT HE GOT INTO A TOP IVY LEAGUE COLLEGE , AND LATER, INTO HARVARD LAW SCHOOL - HOW? WHO SPONSORED HIM? WHO PAID FOR ALL THAT SCHOOLING?
(HAVE YOU LOOKED AT TUITION EXPENSES TO ATTEND UNDERGRADUATE YALE LATELY?
HOW ABOUT HARVARD LAW SCHOOL ? SOMEBODY PAID A LOT OF BUCKS FOR THIS KID'S IVY LEAGUE EDUCATION.......)
WHO? HE APPARENTLY DID NOT HAVE SCHOLARSHIPS THAT PAID IT
ALL FROM WHAT WE READ.
HE ALSO DID NOT HAVE TO BORROW FOR COLLEGE , ALSO FROM WHAT WE READ. SO???
THAT BRINGS US TO THE MORE CURRENT YEARS,
A U.S. SENATOR'S SALARY IS NOT THAT GREAT, BUT THIS YOUNG MAN AND HIS YOUNG WIFE JUST RECENTLY BOUGHT A $1.4 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED THROUGH A 'DEAL' WITH A WEALTHY FUND RAISER, A FUND RAISER WHO APPARENTLY IS A CRIMINAL LAW BREAKER PER THE NEWS.
WHAT SORT OF 'DEAL'?
AND, RIGHT OUT OF HARVARD LAW, HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO . WHAT KIND OF PAY IS THIS, WE CAN ASSUME IT IS LITTLE OR NOTHING PAY WISE! OR IS THERE OTHER KIND OF PAY INVOLVED??
HE THEN ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL WHICH CERTAINLY IS A LOW PAYING JOB, AND THEN MOVED RIGHT TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL. DID HE 'FUND RAISE' TO GET THE FUNDS TO GET ELECTED? WHAT KIND OF PROMISES DID HE MAKE?
NOW, HE SCRAMBLES TODAY WITH A NICE SMILE BUT VERY MINIMAL EXPERIENCE IN ANYTHING - WHILE OTHER PEOPLE WRITE HIS RAH-RAH SPEECHES FOR HIM.
IN ALL HIS MINIMAL TIME IN THE STATE, AND NATIONAL LEGISLATURES - HE'S NEVER LAUNCHED ANY IMPORTANT LEGISLATION, NONE WHATSOEVER.
MOSTLY, OF LATE FOR SOME TWO YEARS, HE'S BEEN OUT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
THEN COME THE ENDORSEMENTS FOR HIM FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, ONES THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY USA FRIENDS, LIKE THE IRAN PRES, FRENCH PRES, THE IRAQ MINISTER THAT WANTS USA OUT. HMMM WHAT DO THEY SEE IN HIM THAT THEY LIKE?
HE CLAIMS TO BE 'PROUD OF HIS AFRICAN HERITAGE' -- NICE BUT -- IT SEEMS THAT HIS ONLY CONNECTION WITH AFRICA WAS THAT HIS AFRICAN FATHER GOT A WHITE AMERICAN GIRL PREGNANT AND THEN DESERTED HER.
UMMM....WHERE IS THE OUTSPOKEN PRIDE IN HIS WHITE HERITAGE?
AFTER ALL - IT WAS WHITE GRANDPARENTS THAT RAISED HIM!
HE IS PRE SENTLY A MEMBER, OR WAS UNTIL POLITICS NECESSITATED A CHANGE, FOR OVER 20 YEARS OF AN 'AFROCENTRIC' CHURCH IN CHICAGO
THAT SEEMINGLY HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S FAULTS.
HE REPEATEDLY COVERED UP FOR THAT PASTOR AND THAT CHURCH SAYING THAT HE CAN SEPARATE THE RELIGION FROM THE POLITICS, WHEN HE HEARS A HATE-WHITEY SERMON.
HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS SIMPLY UNABLE TO CONFRONT HIS PASTOR OF 20+ YEARS ABOUT THE PASTOR'S DEMONSTRATED UN-AMERICAN BIAS.
BUT -- HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN AND RUSSIA WHEN THE TIME ARISES TO TAKE AMERICA 'S SIDE.
YEAH - WITH HIS BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE, HE 'HOPES' THAT HE COULD BE A 'UNITER' AND BRING US ALL TOGETHER;
BUT - WE ARE LEFT TO THINK THAT THE REAL 'HOPE' IS, THAT HE REALLY HOPES THAT NO ONE WILL PUT ALL THESE PIECES TOGETHER, AT LEAST NOT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION.
GET OUT AND VOTE.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2772270
MAYBE I'VE GOTTEN THIS ALL WRONG - ME JUST BEING AN AVERAGE MIDDLE CLASS GUY.
THIS MAN WANTS OUR VOTE FOR U.S. PRESIDENT - HIS FATHER WAS
A KENYAN, AND A BLACK- WE SAW ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE AFRICAN FAMILY.
HIS MOTHER IS KANSAN, ATHEIST, AND WHITE. SO - WHERE ARE ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE WHITE MOTHER AND HIS NICE WHITE KANSAS GRANDPARENTS - THE ONES WHO RAISED HIM ALL THOSE EARLY YEARS?
LETS SEE - HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE
WAS VERY YOUNG AND MOVED BACK TO LIVE WITH HIS FAMILY IN KENYA (THAT'S THE ONES IN THE PICTURES).
HIS WHITE MOTHER THEN MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND TOOK HIM TO THE CITY OF < st1:City w:st='on'>JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS FIRST SCHOOLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .
HIS MOTHER THEN MOVED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE MIDDLE CLASS - AMERICAN GRANDPARENTS THERE.
UMMM..NOW HERE'S THE BEGINNING OF THE HARD PART FOR ME
(HELP ME OUT HERE, IF YOU CAN):
SOMEHOW, SUDDENLY - HE WENT TO THE BEST HIGH DOLLAR PREP
SCHOOLS IN AMERICA , AND NEXT HE GOT INTO A TOP IVY LEAGUE COLLEGE , AND LATER, INTO HARVARD LAW SCHOOL - HOW? WHO SPONSORED HIM? WHO PAID FOR ALL THAT SCHOOLING?
(HAVE YOU LOOKED AT TUITION EXPENSES TO ATTEND UNDERGRADUATE YALE LATELY?
HOW ABOUT HARVARD LAW SCHOOL ? SOMEBODY PAID A LOT OF BUCKS FOR THIS KID'S IVY LEAGUE EDUCATION.......)
WHO? HE APPARENTLY DID NOT HAVE SCHOLARSHIPS THAT PAID IT
ALL FROM WHAT WE READ.
HE ALSO DID NOT HAVE TO BORROW FOR COLLEGE , ALSO FROM WHAT WE READ. SO???
THAT BRINGS US TO THE MORE CURRENT YEARS,
A U.S. SENATOR'S SALARY IS NOT THAT GREAT, BUT THIS YOUNG MAN AND HIS YOUNG WIFE JUST RECENTLY BOUGHT A $1.4 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED THROUGH A 'DEAL' WITH A WEALTHY FUND RAISER, A FUND RAISER WHO APPARENTLY IS A CRIMINAL LAW BREAKER PER THE NEWS.
WHAT SORT OF 'DEAL'?
AND, RIGHT OUT OF HARVARD LAW, HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO . WHAT KIND OF PAY IS THIS, WE CAN ASSUME IT IS LITTLE OR NOTHING PAY WISE! OR IS THERE OTHER KIND OF PAY INVOLVED??
HE THEN ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL WHICH CERTAINLY IS A LOW PAYING JOB, AND THEN MOVED RIGHT TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL. DID HE 'FUND RAISE' TO GET THE FUNDS TO GET ELECTED? WHAT KIND OF PROMISES DID HE MAKE?
NOW, HE SCRAMBLES TODAY WITH A NICE SMILE BUT VERY MINIMAL EXPERIENCE IN ANYTHING - WHILE OTHER PEOPLE WRITE HIS RAH-RAH SPEECHES FOR HIM.
IN ALL HIS MINIMAL TIME IN THE STATE, AND NATIONAL LEGISLATURES - HE'S NEVER LAUNCHED ANY IMPORTANT LEGISLATION, NONE WHATSOEVER.
MOSTLY, OF LATE FOR SOME TWO YEARS, HE'S BEEN OUT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
THEN COME THE ENDORSEMENTS FOR HIM FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, ONES THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY USA FRIENDS, LIKE THE IRAN PRES, FRENCH PRES, THE IRAQ MINISTER THAT WANTS USA OUT. HMMM WHAT DO THEY SEE IN HIM THAT THEY LIKE?
HE CLAIMS TO BE 'PROUD OF HIS AFRICAN HERITAGE' -- NICE BUT -- IT SEEMS THAT HIS ONLY CONNECTION WITH AFRICA WAS THAT HIS AFRICAN FATHER GOT A WHITE AMERICAN GIRL PREGNANT AND THEN DESERTED HER.
UMMM....WHERE IS THE OUTSPOKEN PRIDE IN HIS WHITE HERITAGE?
AFTER ALL - IT WAS WHITE GRANDPARENTS THAT RAISED HIM!
HE IS PRE SENTLY A MEMBER, OR WAS UNTIL POLITICS NECESSITATED A CHANGE, FOR OVER 20 YEARS OF AN 'AFROCENTRIC' CHURCH IN CHICAGO
THAT SEEMINGLY HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S FAULTS.
HE REPEATEDLY COVERED UP FOR THAT PASTOR AND THAT CHURCH SAYING THAT HE CAN SEPARATE THE RELIGION FROM THE POLITICS, WHEN HE HEARS A HATE-WHITEY SERMON.
HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS SIMPLY UNABLE TO CONFRONT HIS PASTOR OF 20+ YEARS ABOUT THE PASTOR'S DEMONSTRATED UN-AMERICAN BIAS.
BUT -- HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN AND RUSSIA WHEN THE TIME ARISES TO TAKE AMERICA 'S SIDE.
YEAH - WITH HIS BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE, HE 'HOPES' THAT HE COULD BE A 'UNITER' AND BRING US ALL TOGETHER;
BUT - WE ARE LEFT TO THINK THAT THE REAL 'HOPE' IS, THAT HE REALLY HOPES THAT NO ONE WILL PUT ALL THESE PIECES TOGETHER, AT LEAST NOT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION.
GET OUT AND VOTE.

SHOUTA LITLLE LOUDER! Let me know when you take your KKK hood off and say something that is relevent.
 

fats71

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2772332
SHOUTA LITLLE LOUDER! Let me know when you take your KKK hood off and say something that is relevent.
What is it that makes this thread racial ??
My kid are multi racial my best friend whom is living with us is puerto rican as are his 4 kids where is the racist remark in it ?
It is facts nothing racists about it ffs. Grow up with the yell alittlelouder. It is caps the keyboard had water spill on it hence the caps were all that was available.. makes me chuckle to see someone get so offended over caps...
Try reading the post before replying.
 

crimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2771957
Part of the problem is investors that bought multiple houses and are now NOT paying on them. give you a small example. My parents house in Phoenix sold a few years back at 345,000 dollars, whoever bought this house, now it is worth 240,000 thousand. That is a 1/3 LOSS in market value. Now, at the rate the housing market typically climbs this house will not show an even return with in the owners lifetime, they have started out in the red with no hope to get out of it. A lot of people are in this situation. Now if you can allow the home to be foreclosed on and not owe anything,doesn't that sound like a sweet deal. Couple that with now the banks being bailed out on these loans and you have our current crisis. Many foreclosing homes are because of this scenario. Sure the sub prime and ARM's also contributed, but they are not the sole reasons for the problem. The problem is accountability and the idea of making the fast buck.....
This is not possible in most states... to allow the foreclosure and then not owe anything. In Michigan, and a vast majority of states, your house gets foreclosed upon and, in your example, sells at a foreclosure sale for $180K. Either the lender or a

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insurance company who paid your lender is going to sue you for the deficiency from the loan balance. In most cases, if someone is actually employed and possesses a bank account then the foreclosure is step 1 and the bankruptcy discharge is a necessary step 2. I have to come to your state and buy some real estate... no risk (besides a person's credit rating).
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2772951
What is it that makes this thread racial ??
My kid are multi racial my best friend whom is living with us is puerto rican as are his 4 kids where is the racist remark in it ?
It is facts nothing racists about it ffs. Grow up with the yell alittlelouder. It is caps the keyboard had water spill on it hence the caps were all that was available.. makes me chuckle to see someone get so offended over caps...
Try reading the post before replying.
I did read it. It reeked of racism.
When you type in all caps in forums or blogs, it signifies someone is yelling. Do yourself a favor and keep you water glasses away from your computer.
 

sickboy

Active Member
Either that, or here's a possibility....he copy and pasted one of his right wing propaganda emails.
Racist- "His father was Kenyan, and a black." What does that matter?
And there are too many incorrect statements in this to correct them all. Neither of our presidential candidates are perfect, just like you and me, and they both have shady dealings in their past and ties to extremist churches. Believe what you wish, but please don't post things from your inbox as facts.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2773293
Either that, or here's a possibility....he copy and pasted one of his right wing propaganda emails.
Racist- "His father was Kenyan, and a black
." What does that matter?
And there are too many incorrect statements in this to correct them all. Neither of our presidential candidates are perfect, just like you and me, and they both have shady dealings in their past and ties to extremist churches. Believe what you wish, but please don't post things from your inbox as facts.
You had to mention incorrect statements didn't you? Now I had to go back and read that drivel. Turn around so I can smack you on the back of the head

There isn't that many factual errors there, The assumptions are kinda silly
 

rebelprettyboy

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2773181
I did read it. It reeked of racism.
When you type in all caps in forums or blogs, it signifies someone is yelling. Do yourself a favor and keep you water glasses away from your computer.

Originally Posted by sickboy

http:///forum/post/2773293
Either that, or here's a possibility....he copy and pasted one of his right wing propaganda emails.
Racist- "His father was Kenyan, and a black
." What does that matter?
And there are too many incorrect statements in this to correct them all. Neither of our presidential candidates are perfect, just like you and me, and they both have shady dealings in their past and ties to extremist churches. Believe what you wish, but please don't post things from your inbox as facts.
I would also agree that the whole beginning of that post seemed racial. Who's businees is it to us how he paid for his schooling and degree? He got it and that all that matters. Who cares that his father was black and mother was a white atheist, what does that have to do with him and him runnin for president?
 

sickboy

Active Member
I was watching a re-run of the debater earlier and found something odd. McCain said something about the "two tax brackets." Anyone know what he was talking about? I wasn't paying that much attention, it just caught my attention briefly.
 

fats71

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2773181
I did read it. It reeked of racism.
When you type in all caps in forums or blogs, it signifies someone is yelling. Do yourself a favor and keep you water glasses away from your computer.
You perceive it as racism. I perceive it as he is the "racist"
Your judging me as racist without knowing anything about me. It is not like my whole life is being run thru with a fine tooth comb as Obama is. The things stated are factual.
As far as stating he is a black man that was the point again read it and if you need help understanding it please feel free to pm me and we can discuss it more there.
I am in no way racist and saying so is just silly. I am not CAUCASIAN FYI....
 

sickboy

Active Member
<QUOTE>THIS MAN WANTS OUR VOTE FOR U.S. PRESIDENT - HIS FATHER WAS
A KENYAN, AND A BLACK- WE SAW ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE AFRICAN FAMILY.<QUOTE>
I still don't see what his black, kenyan father has to do with it, but yes this is true. He met Barack's mother at the University of Hawaii.
<QUOTE>HIS MOTHER IS KANSAN, ATHEIST, AND WHITE. SO - WHERE ARE ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE WHITE MOTHER AND HIS NICE WHITE KANSAS GRANDPARENTS - THE ONES WHO RAISED HIM ALL THOSE EARLY YEARS?</QUOTE>
Stop watching FoxNews and you would probably see some of them, they are easy to find. Not positive on the Atheist part though, but again...this is relevant how?? Also, his grandparents were military people (of some sorts) and that is why they were on Hawaii.
<QUOTE>LETS SEE - HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE
WAS VERY YOUNG AND MOVED BACK TO LIVE WITH HIS FAMILY IN KENYA (THAT'S THE ONES IN THE PICTURES).</QUOTE>
Well, sort of. He actually won a scholarship for grad school to Harvard and that is why he left Barack and his mother. He
Studied Economics, and did eventually return to Kenya to work as an economist.
<QUOTE>HIS WHITE MOTHER THEN MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND TOOK HIM TO THE CITY OF < st1:City w:st='on'>JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS FIRST SCHOOLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .</QUOTE>
He did go to Jakarta with his mother and new father-in-law. His mother worked to increase the rights of women in the Islamic culture there. However, his family was too poor to send him to the private religious school and it is well documented that it was not a "Muslim School", but rather a public school. Muslims there, yes, its like there are christians here.
<QUOTE>HIS MOTHER THEN MOVED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE MIDDLE CLASS - AMERICAN GRANDPARENTS THERE.</QUOTE>
Actually, his mother was concerned about him not getting a good american education and she sent him to Hawaii. She did not go however, she remained in Jakarta.
I was bored so I thought I would knock out the first part of this.
 

michaeltx

Moderator
alright this got way off track and needs a time out. the racial remarks about the KKK and all that was overboard and these discussions are fine IF they are civil this one has turned uncivil quickly.
I would hate for the rest of the political threads be locked because people cant learn to type better words.
here is a bit of a warning to all

If the political threads continue in this way they will all be locked. choose your words carefully in the future guys.
politics and religon can turn ugly quickly lets keep the tempers and personal attacks away they have no buisness here!!
Mike
 
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