dirt bag obamas

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas#post_3515465
Which we wouldn't have had if it wasn't for colonialism. Just ask the native americans, mexico or hawaii.
I don't really see the manifest destiny as the same thing as colonialism. If we were truly colonial there would be no Mexico (which would be better for everyone involved) and likely Canada wouldn't have territory on the pacific coast.

 

[2quills]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas/20#post_3515466
I don't really see the manifest destiny as the same thing as colonialism. If we were truly colonial there would be no Mexico (which would be better for everyone involved) and likely Canada wouldn't have territory on the pacific coast.
Agreed, a lot has changed over the last century or two. I think the face of colonialism has changed, instead of fighting on war fronts it's done through economics. But it is a huge part of our history and that is the way a lot of other people still see us to this day. I honestly don't have a problem with wanting to distance ourselves from that part of our past. But it is what it is. Nature at its finest. Dog eat dog. We either get all of the countries on the same page with one another and work together or we simply just continue to fight and argue over who has what and nothing really changes. But this would probably mean that we would no longer the worlds super power. What to do in a world where heretics could be lurking around any corner?
I hear talk that if we were to cut the flow of billions of dollars being sent back to mexico via illegals working in the U.S. that it would crush their nation. But that hasn't happened yet.

 

[reefraff]

Which is why the corrupt hypocrites who run Mexico have armed military on their southern border and won't patrol their northern border at all. If we sent all the illegals back their economy would collapse, again, maybe not a bad thing.

 

[2quills]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas/20#post_3515474
Which is why the corrupt hypocrites who run Mexico have armed military on their southern border and won't patrol their northern border at all. If we sent all the illegals back their economy would collapse, again, maybe not a bad thing.
Well, all I know is that 4 years ago, America was screaming for change and it got it! Maybe more than we know. And in all fairness we knew some tough choices were coming.
When I start seeing my countries debt go from a few trillion to and now steadily coming up on a 20 trillion in just over a handful of years while I see my nation into something more and more like a police state instead of a free enterprise where business can thrive then it's time for people like me to start asking questions. Like where the money is going and why?
I don't know whether to be mad about it or accept the fact that tough times come and go and that this money is necessary to preserve our nations future. Do these numbers simply just reflect the high dollar cost of operating in a true global market or is this just lunacy?
Should I really just be happy that we're not already living in 3rd world like conditions today? What about tomorrow?
I'm just a guy who has operated a small business before and decided to get out because of my operating cost doubled and then quadrupaled in just a matter of a few years so I sold out and left the state. Now I do hvac work and fix up houses. I'm wanting to start up a business again with my new skills but I'm actually afraid to even try. I feel safer working as a skilled laborer than I do about going back into business. I've never been huge into politics but have made it my new years resolution to get more involved in what's happening.
Just wondering where it all ends, or what it's really going to take to help get back on track if we're not already.

 

[reefraff]

When people were stupid enough to re elect this charlatan what would you expect?
Candidate Obama 2008
obama 2013 on Good Morning America just this week said "We don't have an immediate crisis with the debt"
Fun Facts. When 0bama took office unemployment was 7.9% and the Labor force participation rate was 65.5%
Today unemployment is 7.6% but the labor force participation rate has fallen to 63.5% meaning all things being equal to January 2009 today's unemployment rate is 9.6%
More fun facts. When 0bama took office the national debt was 10.5 Trillion. In 8 years W added 4.9 trillion to the debt. In 4 years 0bama added more (6 Trillion) to the national debt than Bush did in 8 and if we don't change the current rate of government spending 0bama will have added as much to the national debt as the previous 43 presidents by the end of his reign.
Change you can believe in.......

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas/20#post_3515479
Well, all I know is that 4 years ago, America was screaming for change and it got it! Maybe more than we know. And in all fairness we knew some tough choices were coming.
When I start seeing my countries debt go from a few trillion to and now steadily coming up on a 20 trillion in just over a handful of years while I see my nation into something more and more like a police state instead of a free enterprise where business can thrive then it's time for people like me to start asking questions. Like where the money is going and why?
I don't know whether to be mad about it or accept the fact that tough times come and go and that this money is necessary to preserve our nations future. Do these numbers simply just reflect the high dollar cost of operating in a true global market or is this just lunacy?
Should I really just be happy that we're not already living in 3rd world like conditions today? What about tomorrow?
I'm just a guy who has operated a small business before and decided to get out because of my operating cost doubled and then quadrupaled in just a matter of a few years so I sold out and left the state. Now I do hvac work and fix up houses. I'm wanting to start up a business again with my new skills but I'm actually afraid to even try. I feel safer working as a skilled laborer than I do about going back into business. I've never been huge into politics but have made it my new years resolution to get more involved in what's happening.
Just wondering where it all ends, or what it's really going to take to help get back on track if we're not already.
I lived through Ford and Carter. You should be mad. That's what it took to get Reagan elected. People were damned mad at Carter's incompetence.

 

[darthtang aw]

Clemson, before I respond I need one question answered. What do you see as the fundamental difference between the Obama administration and presidency and the bush administration and presidency?

 

[theclemsonkid]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas/20#post_3515499
Clemson, before I respond I need one question answered. What do you see as the fundamental difference between the Obama administration and presidency and the bush administration and presidency?
The paramount difference seems to be that Bush put things in place that favored the wealthy and elite, whereas Obama wants to take from these same people to a reasonable degree, in order to help others who aren't as fortunate. Notice I say to a reasonable degree, because the top 1% have huge advantages when it comes to taxes. I'm not saying stick it to them, I'm saying get back to something a little more reasonable.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas/20#post_3515535
The paramount difference seems to be that Bush put things in place that favored the wealthy and elite, whereas Obama wants to take from these same people to a reasonable degree, in order to help others who aren't as fortunate. Notice I say to a reasonable degree, because the top 1% have huge advantages when it comes to taxes. I'm not saying stick it to them, I'm saying get back to something a little more reasonable.
God I wish people on both sides would look for the information for themselves rather than parroting talking points created by political hacks.
Under the final Bush tax cut the top 1% in this country earned 16.9% of the income in this country and paid 38% of the income taxes. The bottom 50% earned 13.5% of the income and paid 2.3% of income taxes. Those numbers don't even account for those who pay no tax and get payments back through refundable tax credits. A family of 4 can earn nearly 50K and not owe any income tax. Effective tax rate for the top 1% was 24%, bottom 50% 1.9%. Average effective rate for all taxpayers was 11%, all 2009 numbers before any changes to the code were made. Exactly how progressive do you think the tax code should be?
But lets deal with "reasonable degree"
Taxes were just raised on the E vile 1% in January. The top rate was increased from 35% to 39.6% which is over a 10 percent increase. On top of that as a result of the 0bama care law a new tax of 2.8% was added to the "rich" on investment income. Assuming they filed long term gains and got the 15% tax treatment that is nearly a 20% increase. Also general FICA tax rates for "the rich" were increased .9% from 7.5% to 8.4%. That adds up to a significant hit. For ease of math lets say a payer had a taxable income of 1 million. Just the income tax (increased 4.6%) and FICA tax increases (increased .9%) is an extra 55,000.00 increase in taxes. That doesn't include the additional tax they will pay on their investment income. Suppose you earned 100K a year and your taxes were increased by 5,500.00 a year. You don't think that would leave a mark?
I'd say the rich have already had it stuck to them pretty good.

 

[deejeff442]

not to dummy this down but... i have friends with kids they pay maybe $3000 into federal taxes and get back $5000.we dont have kids and pay through our noses. me being self employed i get it worse. now. like reef said the top pay most of the taxes and Obama wants them to pay more?hell i pay for people having kids .i should be rewarded for not having kids .

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas/20#post_3515548
not to dummy this down but... i have friends with kids they pay maybe $3000 into federal taxes and get back $5000.we dont have kids and pay through our noses. me being self employed i get it worse. now. like reef said the top pay most of the taxes and Obama wants them to pay more?hell i pay for people having kids .i should be rewarded for not having kids .
In a year when my son paid in 900.00 exactly in federal income tax they got back 7200 and change. That was a married couple with 2 kids. Right now you get to claim the kid as a dependent exemption, get a 500.00 child care credit plus the refundable credit for 1000.00 if the kid is under 17 and if your income isn't too high earned income credit. All the while these families are a bigger drain on the system. It's insane.

 

[2quills]

Down here what I'm seeing is a big thing is all of these dead beat parents going around having 3-4 kids and for whatever reasons aren't able to claim ALL of the kids so they sell them off to their friends or other family members who claim them as a dependent so that they can get a couple of grand back and then simply give the parent a cut of the money when it comes in. It's pretty sickning actually. My wife and I are watching our hours real close this year because we're going to be right around the 6 figure mark and if we go over it then it's not going to be by much. So we are wanting to try and stay just under the minimum mark of being raked over the coals for ending up in a higher tax bracket. We don't have kids to claim so it does suck when you feel like you've worked hard to earn your money and then see it being given away to others who don't really do crap.

 

[reefraff]

Yeah but going up a bracket isn't a big deal. If say bracket 3 started at 100K you only pay that higher percentage on the part of your income that exceeds 100K.

 

[2quills]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas/20#post_3515565
Yeah but going up a bracket isn't a big deal. If say bracket 3 started at 100K you only pay that higher percentage on the part of your income that exceeds 100K.
eh..I think you're right. We wen't from 15% last year and are going into 25% this year but will only be taxed on 16.86%. Which actually turns out to only an extra 1.86% than we were before if I'm reading this right. So the phontom 100,000k that I've seen used here and elsewhere is really just an example. I think I need to befriend a cpa. We were used to filing independently but will be filiing jointly this year with the new house so everything changing for us. Write off's here we come.

 

[deejeff442]

so Crimzy comes here and rips on me? where did he go come back big mouth and defend this administration. no way too. calling names was probably not cool but at this point i dont care.i am sure us repubs could list hundreds of things obama has done to ruin this country.typical lib send a statement then hide. Obama i will cut the deficit in half... more than doubled it even though he said bush is un-patriotic for raising debt.yea just one of hundreds of examples.
so here is how i see it. the dems want to cater to the poor(ones who are too lazy to make a real life for themselves)illigals ,blacks and the rest of the minorities.which by the way arent much of a minority now(dallas school district is 52% hispanic) give to the lazy and minorities while steal from the (rich) and you win the election.sad sad sad.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas/20#post_3515567
eh..I think you're right. We wen't from 15% last year and are going into 25% this year but will only be taxed on 16.86%. Which actually turns out to only an extra 1.86% than we were before if I'm reading this right. So the phontom 100,000k that I've seen used here and elsewhere is really just an example. I think I need to befriend a cpa. We were used to filing independently but will be filiing jointly this year with the new house so everything changing for us. Write off's here we come.
Yep, unless you were in a weird situation you generally make out better filing as married filing a joint return. The brackets increase at 72.6 and 146K this year

 

[2quills]

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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas/20#post_3515571
Obama i will cut the deficit in half... more than doubled it even though he said bush is un-patriotic for raising debt.yea just one of hundreds of examples.
so here is how i see it. the dems want to cater to the poor(ones who are too lazy to make a real life for themselves)illigals ,blacks and the rest of the minorities.which by the way arent much of a minority now(dallas school district is 52% hispanic) give to the lazy and minorities while steal from the (rich) and you win the election.sad sad sad.
Yeah, I'm definitely not in the majority down here either. Which is fine with me. But I haven't been the one reaping huge rewards back on my taxes as I have pretty much always filed as single. So I feel like I've always been paying my share. I understand the need, want, desires for a social safety net and agree that there are times and situations where people should have it. But I see it being more abused (always have) than anything.
Going after higher income earners more than what it already doesn't seem like much of an answer. Nor seem very fair in a place where all men are supposed to be created equal. My problems is that the majority of the folks that I see getting the aid are all abusing it to some extent or another (not saying I would be any different). But, it's wasteful and not very productive for the community.
I don't see why we all just can't pay an equal percentage based on what you earn. That seems fair to me. A place where people are rewarded for hard work and dedication that they put in, in whatever capacity that they are capable of. That's my american dream. We don't need to be sending F-16's to the muslim brotherhood, or paying for someone else to drill for oil off of their shores if we're not willing to drill off of ours for the sake of the environment when we've lost hundreds of thousands of teaching positions over the last 10 years.. I at least felt like I knew were Bush was coming from as an American. But not so much with this guy.

 

[acrylic51]

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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///t/394928/dirt-bag-obamas/20#post_3515571
so Crimzy comes here and rips on me? where did he go come back big mouth and defend this administration. no way too. calling names was probably not cool but at this point i dont care.i am sure us repubs could list hundreds of things obama has done to ruin this country.typical lib send a statement then hide. Obama i will cut the deficit in half... more than doubled it even though he said bush is un-patriotic for raising debt.yea just one of hundreds of examples.
so here is how i see it. the dems want to cater to the poor(ones who are too lazy to make a real life for themselves)illigals ,blacks and the rest of the minorities.which by the way arent much of a minority now(dallas school district is 52% hispanic) give to the lazy and minorities while steal from the (rich) and you win the election.sad sad sad.
You are pathetic!!!!!!!!

 

[darthtang aw]

The paramount difference seems to be that Bush put things in place that favored the wealthy and elite, whereas Obama wants to take from these same people to a reasonable degree, in order to help others who aren't as fortunate.  Notice I say to a reasonable degree, because the top 1% have huge advantages when it comes to taxes.  I'm not saying stick it to them, I'm saying get back to something a little more reasonable. 
And this is where you would be wrong.
I do not feel Obama wants to destroy this country. However I feel his actions and to a degree those of predacessors will. Our single largest problem and crisis is our deficit and debt. Let me explain.
If we didn't haveour debt, and other countries did not purchase us it, it would give us more leverage with global negotiations. However, since China owns some of our debt (a good portion) we are forced to engage in "free market" trade treaties and deals with them. These deals are slanted in Chinas favor and other countries. Not a lot, but a small degree. Enough to make things a bit difficult here.
President Obama campaigned on reducing the debt. For me, this is my single biggest issue. Abortion, gay marriage, privacy rights dont mean crap if our country defaults. And if that happens, the 2nd amendment will be what enables our defense. But I digress. Over the next ten years, our spending, debt and deficit is scheduled to reach new heights. Buy 2036, it will be so high it will require a tax rate of 70% on all americans to just balance the budget each year. 70 PERCENT! The politicians both use class warfare to scare and "freeze" all of us. They are gonna take away your medicare and social security. They are gonna cut defense and we will be weak. It is all crap. ALL of it needs cut. For a month our president "campaigned" (because he damn well didn't governor) about the sequestor and how bad it would be. Aircraft carriers wouldn't be refueled. Long TSA Lines. Flight towers closed. Fire and police department force reduced.....REALLY!? Really!?
[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6vxiQ9JCKvE[/VIDEO]
Hmm...as far as I can see, things have continued on...sure it might be a bit inconvienant but was the catastrphic issue it was made out to be.
He talks of tax rates raising on those that can afford it.....Clinton raised taxes to the levels Obama has talked about, it had a bad effect on the economy, shortly there after he lowered them. Not to the level Bush had them at, but still lower than what Obama desires. The problem is, We spend TWICE as much now than we did under Clinton. He doesn't want to reduce government spending. He wants to increase government "revenue". I put this in quotations because historically, no matter the tax rate, the government revenue as a percentage of GDP has remained virtually flat. some slight increases here and there, also some decreases....but for the most part flat...So higher taxes does not equal increased revenue when compared to GDP.....
Now, i hear the argument that the republicans are volatile with him...(see previous video). Clinton was being impeached by the same congress he was still negotiating and successfully making deals with for the benefit of the country as a whole.
After Obama care, what has Obama accomplished? What economic boom has he helped bring about? Yes, he made the call to kill Bin Laden....but should this really be applauded? For doing what he was expected to do? That is like giving a standing ovation every time I pee in the toilet....It is what I am suppossed to do.
So, is he purposely trying destroy this country? No...he honestly believes his way is best.....Where the problem is, he doesn't listen to anyone else.
The truly funny thing./...we revolted from England during a time where the average tax for colonial citizen was 2.5% to 4% Imagine what the revolt our forefathers would have started when asked for 25%

 

[spanko]

What is his end game?
To coin a phrase "socialism is for the people not the socialist"
You see it in all socialists countries, the elite reap all of the benefits while the masses suffer under their control. (Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kim Ill Sung, Ho Chi Min etc. etc. etc. I know some were socialsist and some communists but you get the idea.) I may believe that in his mind he believes that we as Americans will be better than everyone else in putting a socialist environment together but in the end IMO it will still result in the ruling class having all the benefit while the population at large suffers. There will not be enough people willing to work to support the system while the rest of the population lives off of their backs.