Do You Believe In Creation
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lil' tanker
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Originally Posted by AGENT-X
See you assume that I am not a Christian, I am. just because I choose not to go to church and because I have other beliefs that seem to go against some chrsitian teachings does not mean that I don't believe in a higher power. I just don't agree with everything any one religion has to say.
wait if you're a Christian why'd you say you want to feed Christians to lions? I know it was sarcasm but still now I'm really confused.
See you assume that I am not a Christian, I am. just because I choose not to go to church and because I have other beliefs that seem to go against some chrsitian teachings does not mean that I don't believe in a higher power. I just don't agree with everything any one religion has to say.
wait if you're a Christian why'd you say you want to feed Christians to lions? I know it was sarcasm but still now I'm really confused.
lil' tanker
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ok AGENT X, do you believe in Jesus (I assume you do I guess since you say you're a Christian but just making sure)? and what exactly all do you believe.
agent-x
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Originally Posted by lil' tanker
wait if you're a Christian why'd you say you want to feed Christians to lions? I know it was sarcasm but still now I'm really confused.
It was just sarcasm. No real intent behind any of it. It was a throw back to the History of the persecution of the Chrsitians. This was done partially because of their "radical views" (as seen in those times). I twisted that a little and used it as a "shot" at some of the views on here I saw as a little "radical" (not to start another debate).
wait if you're a Christian why'd you say you want to feed Christians to lions? I know it was sarcasm but still now I'm really confused.
It was just sarcasm. No real intent behind any of it. It was a throw back to the History of the persecution of the Chrsitians. This was done partially because of their "radical views" (as seen in those times). I twisted that a little and used it as a "shot" at some of the views on here I saw as a little "radical" (not to start another debate).
lil' tanker
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Originally Posted by AGENT-X
It was just sarcasm. No real intent behind any of it. It was a throw back to the History of the persecution of the Chrsitians. This was done partially because of their "radical views" (as seen in those times). I twisted that a little and used it as a "shot" at some of the views on here I saw as a little "radical" (not to start another debate).
so you're saying Paul and the disciples and Stephen were radicals? or that they were viewed as such?
It was just sarcasm. No real intent behind any of it. It was a throw back to the History of the persecution of the Chrsitians. This was done partially because of their "radical views" (as seen in those times). I twisted that a little and used it as a "shot" at some of the views on here I saw as a little "radical" (not to start another debate).
so you're saying Paul and the disciples and Stephen were radicals? or that they were viewed as such?
agent-x
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Originally Posted by lil' tanker
ok AGENT X, do you believe in Jesus (I assume you do I guess since you say you're a Christian but just making sure)? and what exactly all do you believe.
I believe in a god, not just our Christian God, but god none the less. I think that the religion we choose to follow is in the form that god was able to get through to us in as an individule. I think that maybe the forms we all worship regardless of religion may be the same god and these are just different forms. I hope that makes sense. It's much more than that, but I was trying to sum it all up. I am willing to pay the consequence upon my death if I am wrong. I just try to lead a good life and hope that in the end it's enough.
ok AGENT X, do you believe in Jesus (I assume you do I guess since you say you're a Christian but just making sure)? and what exactly all do you believe.
I believe in a god, not just our Christian God, but god none the less. I think that the religion we choose to follow is in the form that god was able to get through to us in as an individule. I think that maybe the forms we all worship regardless of religion may be the same god and these are just different forms. I hope that makes sense. It's much more than that, but I was trying to sum it all up. I am willing to pay the consequence upon my death if I am wrong. I just try to lead a good life and hope that in the end it's enough.
lil' tanker
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Originally Posted by AGENT-X
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that's what I thought but on the one above that, PLEASE do not believe that nothing we can do is good enough the world could end today for all we know. I want you to know that I love you and that my God says that nothing we can do is good enough. So please believe in Jesus. He is the one and only way and no one comes to the Father except through Him.
please for your own good I know I can't make you but I am not joking when I say this is the closest to crying I have gotten in a long time. I think that this debate has brought me to some sort of maybe distant relationship with you and even though I have never seen you I beg of you please my friend, I want to see you in heaven.
viewed as such
that's what I thought but on the one above that, PLEASE do not believe that nothing we can do is good enough the world could end today for all we know. I want you to know that I love you and that my God says that nothing we can do is good enough. So please believe in Jesus. He is the one and only way and no one comes to the Father except through Him.
agent-x
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Originally Posted by lil' tanker
that's what I thought but on the one above that, PLEASE do not believe that nothing we can do is good enough the world could end today for all we know. I want you to know that I love you and that my God says that nothing we can do is good enough. So please believe in Jesus. He is the one and only way and no one comes to the Father except through Him.
please for your own good I know I can't make you but I am not joking when I say this is the closest to crying I have gotten in a long time. I think that this debate has brought me to some sort of maybe distant relationship with you and even though I have never seen you I beg of you please my friend, I want to see you in heaven.
but see, that's what I believe. It took me many years of bouncing from church to church to some up with this line of thinking and that's just how it's going to be. I do thank you for your concern, I just have a hard time with there is only one way in.
that's what I thought but on the one above that, PLEASE do not believe that nothing we can do is good enough the world could end today for all we know. I want you to know that I love you and that my God says that nothing we can do is good enough. So please believe in Jesus. He is the one and only way and no one comes to the Father except through Him.
but see, that's what I believe. It took me many years of bouncing from church to church to some up with this line of thinking and that's just how it's going to be. I do thank you for your concern, I just have a hard time with there is only one way in.
mike22cha
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Originally Posted by AGENT-X
but see, that's what I believe. It took me many years of bouncing from church to church to some up with this line of thinking and that's just how it's going to be. I do thank you for your concern, I just have a hard time with there is only one way in.
I don't agree with every thing my church teaches, I don't think anyone should agree one hundred percent. I don't go to church that often either, only when I'm at my dad's. But I believe what I found true. And I know that God is real and cares for me. I accepted His gift and I'm going to Heaven.
Why risk that there is nothing after we die? What do you got to lose?
but see, that's what I believe. It took me many years of bouncing from church to church to some up with this line of thinking and that's just how it's going to be. I do thank you for your concern, I just have a hard time with there is only one way in.
I don't agree with every thing my church teaches, I don't think anyone should agree one hundred percent. I don't go to church that often either, only when I'm at my dad's. But I believe what I found true. And I know that God is real and cares for me. I accepted His gift and I'm going to Heaven.
Why risk that there is nothing after we die? What do you got to lose?
lil' tanker
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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
I don't agree with every thing my church teaches, I don't think anyone should agree one hundred percent. I don't go to church that often either, only when I'm at my dad's. But I believe what I found true. And I know that God is real and cares for me. I accepted His gift and I'm going to Heaven.
Why risk that there is nothing after we die? What do you got to lose?
yes, what is there to lose when there is everything to gain. Jim Elliot (a missionary to the Alca Indians and died by there hand sharing the Gospel to them) said "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose."
I don't agree with every thing my church teaches, I don't think anyone should agree one hundred percent. I don't go to church that often either, only when I'm at my dad's. But I believe what I found true. And I know that God is real and cares for me. I accepted His gift and I'm going to Heaven.
Why risk that there is nothing after we die? What do you got to lose?
yes, what is there to lose when there is everything to gain. Jim Elliot (a missionary to the Alca Indians and died by there hand sharing the Gospel to them) said "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose."
agent-x
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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
I don't agree with every thing my church teaches, I don't think anyone should agree one hundred percent. I don't go to church that often either, only when I'm at my dad's. But I believe what I found true. And I know that God is real and cares for me. I accepted His gift and I'm going to Heaven.
Why risk that there is nothing after we die? What do you got to lose?
And I don't judge you for what you believe. I just don't see it that way. I don't think 100% that there is nothing after we die, I just don't know what if anything it is. I'd rather expect nothing more from my god then the life I was so graciously given and if there is more then I will be pleasantly suprised. I've seen things in my life that I have no way to explain except for a higher power, but I don't believe that that means he owes me anthing once I am gone from this Earth.
I don't agree with every thing my church teaches, I don't think anyone should agree one hundred percent. I don't go to church that often either, only when I'm at my dad's. But I believe what I found true. And I know that God is real and cares for me. I accepted His gift and I'm going to Heaven.
Why risk that there is nothing after we die? What do you got to lose?
And I don't judge you for what you believe. I just don't see it that way. I don't think 100% that there is nothing after we die, I just don't know what if anything it is. I'd rather expect nothing more from my god then the life I was so graciously given and if there is more then I will be pleasantly suprised. I've seen things in my life that I have no way to explain except for a higher power, but I don't believe that that means he owes me anthing once I am gone from this Earth.
lil' tanker
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Originally Posted by AGENT-X
And I don't judge you for what you believe. I just don't see it that way. I don't think 100% that there is nothing after we die, I just don't know what if anything it is. I'd rather expect nothing more from my god then the life I was so graciously given and if there is more then I will be pleasantly suprised. I've seen things in my life that I have no way to explain except for a higher power, but I don't believe that that means he owes me anthing once I am gone from this Earth.
He doesn't owe you anything He loves you and knows it's heaven or hell and if you don't believe in Jesus, then it won't be such a "pleasant surprise".
And I don't judge you for what you believe. I just don't see it that way. I don't think 100% that there is nothing after we die, I just don't know what if anything it is. I'd rather expect nothing more from my god then the life I was so graciously given and if there is more then I will be pleasantly suprised. I've seen things in my life that I have no way to explain except for a higher power, but I don't believe that that means he owes me anthing once I am gone from this Earth.
He doesn't owe you anything He loves you and knows it's heaven or hell and if you don't believe in Jesus, then it won't be such a "pleasant surprise".
agent-x
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Originally Posted by lil' tanker
yes, what is there to lose when there is everything to gain. Jim Elliot (a missionary to the Alca Indians and died by there hand sharing the Gospel to them) said "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose."
I just don't agree with that. He went down there pushing what he had to say and he paid with his life. Maybe he went to heaven and maybe he didn't. For those who believe in an exact heaven and hell, I'm sure he went to heaven. but for me who is unsure of what lies beyond. I'm going to stick with self preservation. They'll come to me if they want to hear what I have to say.
yes, what is there to lose when there is everything to gain. Jim Elliot (a missionary to the Alca Indians and died by there hand sharing the Gospel to them) said "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose."
I just don't agree with that. He went down there pushing what he had to say and he paid with his life. Maybe he went to heaven and maybe he didn't. For those who believe in an exact heaven and hell, I'm sure he went to heaven. but for me who is unsure of what lies beyond. I'm going to stick with self preservation. They'll come to me if they want to hear what I have to say.
mike22cha
Active Member
Originally Posted by AGENT-X
And I don't judge you for what you believe. I just don't see it that way. I don't think 100% that there is nothing after we die, I just don't know what if anything it is. I'd rather expect nothing more from my god then the life I was so graciously given and if there is more then I will be pleasantly suprised. I've seen things in my life that I have no way to explain except for a higher power, but I don't believe that that means he owes me anthing once I am gone from this Earth.
He does not owe us anything, we don't deserve anything. But I can promise you He loves us and He sent His Son to die for us so that we may spend eternity with Him.
And I don't judge you for what you believe. I just don't see it that way. I don't think 100% that there is nothing after we die, I just don't know what if anything it is. I'd rather expect nothing more from my god then the life I was so graciously given and if there is more then I will be pleasantly suprised. I've seen things in my life that I have no way to explain except for a higher power, but I don't believe that that means he owes me anthing once I am gone from this Earth.
He does not owe us anything, we don't deserve anything. But I can promise you He loves us and He sent His Son to die for us so that we may spend eternity with Him.
agent-x
Member
Originally Posted by lil' tanker
He doesn't owe you anything He loves you and knows it's heaven or hell and if you don't believe in Jesus, then it won't be such a "pleasant surprise".
we don't know that with 100% certainty. Wasn't Moses "denied access" to the land of Israel for not doing exactly what God had asked? Therefore who is to say any of us will go just for believing.
He doesn't owe you anything He loves you and knows it's heaven or hell and if you don't believe in Jesus, then it won't be such a "pleasant surprise".
we don't know that with 100% certainty. Wasn't Moses "denied access" to the land of Israel for not doing exactly what God had asked? Therefore who is to say any of us will go just for believing.
mike22cha
Active Member
Originally Posted by AGENT-X
we don't know that with 100% certainty. Wasn't Moses "denied access" to the land of Israel for not doing exactly what God had asked? Therefore who is to say any of us will go just for believing.
Becuase God promised us that. Read the New Testament in the Bible, it lists how we get to Heaven many times. And the way is through Faith and Believing in God's Gift to us, Christ, who died to pay for our sins.
we don't know that with 100% certainty. Wasn't Moses "denied access" to the land of Israel for not doing exactly what God had asked? Therefore who is to say any of us will go just for believing.
Becuase God promised us that. Read the New Testament in the Bible, it lists how we get to Heaven many times. And the way is through Faith and Believing in God's Gift to us, Christ, who died to pay for our sins.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Darknes
You seem pretty close to Jesus. I have a question, and don't take it as a jab at your religion or your faith; I've always been wondering. If you claim to be so close to Jesus, how do you justify not believing in the "One Church" that Jesus' closest apostles started, and is mentioned so many times in the bible? How do you not follow the church under the successors of Peter, whom Jesus specifically designated as the first leader in Matthew 16? How do you justify a church that disagreed and broke from the church Jesus started, yet still believe you are doing what Jesus wants?
Again, I'm not being critical, I've just wondered how christians justify this.
The verse that "the one church" is founded upon comes from Matthew chapter 16. "Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..."
Jesus was not ordaining Peter as the church, but rather the confession of Peter. Don't forget that exactly 5 verses after that statement Jesus says to Peter "get behind me, Satan!"
Peter was a great man, but he was a man. The "Church", was founded on the confession of Christ and is eternal.
In a perfect world there probably wouldn't be so many denominations. Some of them, in my view, teach heresy as doctrine. However, a church is full of people and therefore will never be perfect in this age.
You seem pretty close to Jesus. I have a question, and don't take it as a jab at your religion or your faith; I've always been wondering. If you claim to be so close to Jesus, how do you justify not believing in the "One Church" that Jesus' closest apostles started, and is mentioned so many times in the bible? How do you not follow the church under the successors of Peter, whom Jesus specifically designated as the first leader in Matthew 16? How do you justify a church that disagreed and broke from the church Jesus started, yet still believe you are doing what Jesus wants?
Again, I'm not being critical, I've just wondered how christians justify this.
The verse that "the one church" is founded upon comes from Matthew chapter 16. "Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..."
Jesus was not ordaining Peter as the church, but rather the confession of Peter. Don't forget that exactly 5 verses after that statement Jesus says to Peter "get behind me, Satan!"
Peter was a great man, but he was a man. The "Church", was founded on the confession of Christ and is eternal.
In a perfect world there probably wouldn't be so many denominations. Some of them, in my view, teach heresy as doctrine. However, a church is full of people and therefore will never be perfect in this age.
lil' tanker
Member
Originally Posted by AGENT-X
I just don't agree with that. He went down there pushing what he had to say and he paid with his life. Maybe he went to heaven and maybe he didn't. For those who believe in an exact heaven and hell, I'm sure he went to heaven. but for me who is unsure of what lies beyond. I'm going to stick with self preservation. They'll come to me if they want to hear what I have to say.
ok well fine. But here's the interesting part he went with 4 other men. They were all killed. After that their wives came to share the Gospel with those same Indians. They made a movie about it also. The end of the
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. Those women trusted God so much that even after their husbands had been killed by these people they went down and risked their lives. They made those Alca Indians God's people. If Indians who have never seen planes, guns, and live in the forest can believe why can't someone so blessed to live in this great nation and be safer than most of the world believe. It is beyond me. Those Alca Indians will be there. Will you though? Right now I know you won't that's the whole reason why I'm trying to talk to you.
I just don't agree with that. He went down there pushing what he had to say and he paid with his life. Maybe he went to heaven and maybe he didn't. For those who believe in an exact heaven and hell, I'm sure he went to heaven. but for me who is unsure of what lies beyond. I'm going to stick with self preservation. They'll come to me if they want to hear what I have to say.
ok well fine. But here's the interesting part he went with 4 other men. They were all killed. After that their wives came to share the Gospel with those same Indians. They made a movie about it also. The end of the
[hr]
. Those women trusted God so much that even after their husbands had been killed by these people they went down and risked their lives. They made those Alca Indians God's people. If Indians who have never seen planes, guns, and live in the forest can believe why can't someone so blessed to live in this great nation and be safer than most of the world believe. It is beyond me. Those Alca Indians will be there. Will you though? Right now I know you won't that's the whole reason why I'm trying to talk to you.
mike22cha
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
The verse that "the one church" is founded upon comes from Matthew chapter 16. "Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..."
Jesus was not ordaining Peter as the church, but rather the confession of Peter. Don't forget that exactly 5 verses after that statement Jesus says to Peter "get behind me, Satan!"
Peter was a great man, but he was a man. The "Church", was founded on the confession of Christ and is eternal.
In a perfect world there probably wouldn't be so many denominations. Some of them, in my view, teach heresy as doctrine. However, a church is full of people and therefore will never be perfect in this age.
The verse that "the one church" is founded upon comes from Matthew chapter 16. "Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..."
Jesus was not ordaining Peter as the church, but rather the confession of Peter. Don't forget that exactly 5 verses after that statement Jesus says to Peter "get behind me, Satan!"
Peter was a great man, but he was a man. The "Church", was founded on the confession of Christ and is eternal.
In a perfect world there probably wouldn't be so many denominations. Some of them, in my view, teach heresy as doctrine. However, a church is full of people and therefore will never be perfect in this age.