Do you think Hillary should keep the democrat race going?

[gonefishcrazy]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2609185
Why do black people vote for obama?
I'm black so I'll answer. Iam a democrat. I originally was going to vote for Hillary. Throughout the primary I learned things about when Bill Clinton was in office and did not like the negative way Hillary ran her campaign. Why did'nt you ask why blacks voted for all the past presidents and candidates. When looking at where blacks have come from to now having the possibility of acquiring the highest position in America, black people are kind of excited to see that the America they love is giving a black person a real chance of becoming president. There are black people who vote for Hillary and McCain. Now when you have a caucasion person who would actually say I dont want to see a black person become president now thats entirely different. We have voted for white candidates over and over again but there are white people who would never vote for a black candidate. Like Chris Mathew on msnbc say, there's a difference between being proud and hate.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2609256
I'm black so I'll answer. Iam a democrat. I originally was going to vote for Hillary. Throughout the primary I learned things about when Bill Clinton was in office and did not like the negative way Hillary ran her campaign. Why did'nt you ask why blacks voted for all the past presidents and candidates. When looking at where blacks have come from to now having the possibility of acquiring the highest position in America, black people are kind of excited to see that the America they love is giving a black person a real chance of becoming president. There are black people who vote for Hillary and McCain. Now when you have a caucasion person who would actually say I dont want to see a black person become president now thats entirely different. We have voted for white candidates over and over again but there are white people who would never vote for a black candidate. Like Chris Mathew on msnbc say, there's a difference between being proud and hate.
90% of back dems have voted for obama. Why?
If I was white and voted for hillary because I wanted to see a white person in the white house that would be ok?

 

[gonefishcrazy]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2609201
Kinda the height of hypocrocy for an Obama supporter to claim race based voting by anybody when he is drawing like 90% of the black vote

The tactic of the Obamites of calling anyone who votes against him racist (see first couple in the clip) will blow up in his face royally.
That was a caucasion person who did that interview. I voted for Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, etc. Are you saying that there are not white people who would not vote for Obama just because of his skin color?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24588813/

 

[gonefishcrazy]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2609260
90% of back dems have voted for obama. Why?
If I was white and voted for hillary because I wanted to see a white person in the white house that would be ok?
That would make you a Racist. We have had nothing but White presidents, so what would be so different where someone would feel like they wanted to see a white person as president if they did not want a black president? Thank you very much for letting me know where you stand.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2609197
What is wrong with that? Doing it that way it would be statistically improbably to have a general vote that does not coinside with a delagate count.
The Democrats in some states are assigning delegates by district based on the results of the 04 elections. If 100,000 registered democrats live in a district with 180,000 Republicans that voted for Bush in 04' they will only be voting for say 16 delegates for the 08' primary. but 100,000 registered Democrats that live in a district with only 80,000 Republicans that voted for Kerry in 04' will be voting for 24 delegates for the 08' primary. (numbers are just guestiments)
The practical effect is you can have say 60,000 of 100,000 democrats in a district turn out in this primary and only elect 16 delegates while 40,000 out of 100,000 turn out in another which elects 24 delegates. Democrats who might have worked even harder for Kerry in 04' than those in the other district have their votes diluted based on the fact they live in an area with a lot of Republicans. That aint right,

 

[rylan1]

Think much of it is coincedence... Its his message that resonates with african americans as well as other voters who support him. I do believe that there are some (much less than you would think) that may vote for him because of race, however the majority of these people probably have not followed the candidacy.
If you look at history, there has always been 1 candidate that carried the majority of the minority vote... and they are usually white ... actually always because he is the 1st viable candidate. Neither Keys or Jackson got 90% of the black vote. So IMO it is less than about race, and more about his message, plans, and charisma.
There are still many prominent african americans who support Clinton... and there were more prior to S.C and all the race baiting her candidacy has put for. They can blame themselves for it because she did have a much larger base in the beginning, plus the favor of the Clinton name... So I think it is less about race as association, and more about a candidate people feel they can stand behind.
Lastly, I've heard many times african americans were concerned about 1) his safety if he were president and 2) that white people wouldn't vote for him, and that he could'nt possibably become president.. so they didn't or wouldn't waste a vote on him, and voted for Clinton because she could do similar things and they wouldn't have to worry about electablity or safety.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2609256
When looking at where blacks have come from to now having the possibility of acquiring the highest position in America, black people are kind of excited to see that the America they love is giving a black person a real chance of becoming president.

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2609260
If I was white and voted for hillary because I wanted to see a white person in the white house that would be ok?
I don't see what the difference is.
Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2609270
That would make you a Racist. We have had nothing but White presidents, so what would be so different where someone would feel like they wanted to see a white person as president if they did not want a black president? Thank you very much for letting me know where you stand.
I don't see how voting for a black person simply because he is black isn't racist but a white person voting for a white person because he/she is white is.

BTW Obama is more white than me.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2609288
The Democrats in some states are assigning delegates by district based on the results of the 04 elections. If 100,000 registered democrats live in a district with 180,000 Republicans that voted for Bush in 04' they will only be voting for say 16 delegates for the 08' primary. but 100,000 registered Democrats that live in a district with only 80,000 Republicans that voted for Kerry in 04' will be voting for 24 delegates for the 08' primary. (numbers are just guestiments)
The practical effect is you can have say 60,000 of 100,000 democrats in a district turn out in this primary and only elect 16 delegates while 40,000 out of 100,000 turn out in another which elects 24 delegates. Democrats who might have worked even harder for Kerry in 04' than those in the other district have their votes diluted based on the fact they live in an area with a lot of Republicans. That aint right,
So so it wasn't based on registered dummycrat population but some convoluted way.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2609264
That was a caucasion person who did that interview. I voted for Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, etc. Are you saying that there are not white people who would not vote for Obama just because of his skin color?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24588813/
What does the color of the hypocrite doing the interview have to do with anything?
Of course there are whites who wont vote for Obama because he is black, including a lot more Democrats than the party would like to admit. However the numbers show there is a hell of a lot higher percentage of blacks who are voting for him because he is black.
The obamites are going out of their way to try to label any criticisms of him as racist. You are going to have a lot of voters that are offended by that. Like I said, look at the first couple in the video. What on earth was racist about what that woman said? They went back to them later in the video and they talked about his lack of experience and a record. Before that video you had someone who may or may not have voted for McCain. After the video I would be willing to bet they end up donating money to McCain.

Another person talked about knowing what Hillary and McCain stand for. Is it racist to be confused about where Obama stands? Lets see, he claims to be a uniter but spent 20 years in a church that is all about race, has the most liberal voting record in the Senate, has a willing assoctiation with a couple who are unrepentant members of a marxist terrorist group, in his book he refers to a member of the communist party as a father figure.
I honestly dont get the uncertainty about where he stands, He is far enough to the left that Marxists support and have officially endorsed him. I guess its racist to point that out.

 

[darthtang aw]

Rylan, why would Hamas endorse him and hope he becomes president?
Also why would Palestinians/Hamas go so far as to set up a call center to call americans and try to get them to vote for Obama?
This is going on right now. There are several news stories on it.
I have my thoughts as to why and they have nothing to do with Muslim or terrorists ties to Obama. I am just curious what a suppoerter would think. My thoughts I am sure no one has thought about as the possible reason.
And also, why would Obama THANK a known terrorist organization for their endorsemement of him?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2609256
I'm black so I'll answer. Iam a democrat. I originally was going to vote for Hillary. Throughout the primary I learned things about when Bill Clinton was in office and did not like the negative way Hillary ran her campaign. Why did'nt you ask why blacks voted for all the past presidents and candidates. When looking at where blacks have come from to now having the possibility of acquiring the highest position in America, black people are kind of excited to see that the America they love is giving a black person a real chance of becoming president. There are black people who vote for Hillary and McCain. Now when you have a caucasion person who would actually say I dont want to see a black person become president now thats entirely different. We have voted for white candidates over and over again but there are white people who would never vote for a black candidate. Like Chris Mathew on msnbc say, there's a difference between being proud and hate.
I think a better question is why do 90% of blacks vote Democrat? What has the democrat party done for blacks? Make their education better, lift them out of poverty? Truth is they ain't done squat. If you ever get the chance watch the movie Bullworth. Warren Beatty plays a Democrat Senator that has a nervous breakdown and dares to speak the truth during his re-election campaign.
Considering the way the NAACP treated Bush with that dispicable ad back in 2000 I find it rather amusing that he proceeded to appoint more blacks to positions of authority in his cabinet than probably all the Democrat administrations combined

 

[gonefishcrazy]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2609341
I don't see what the difference is.
I don't see how voting for a black person simply because he is black isn't racist but a white person voting for a white person because he/she is white is.

BTW Obama is more white than me.

Not everybody is going to get it. Some people forget that his mother is white. What if he had her color? I forget real racist people hate biracial/interracial relationships and their kids. I wish everybody could see each other as equal.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609299
Think much of it is coincedence... Its his message that resonates with african americans as well as other voters who support him. I do believe that there are some (much less than you would think) that may vote for him because of race, however the majority of these people probably have not followed the candidacy.
If you look at history, there has always been 1 candidate that carried the majority of the minority vote... and they are usually white ... actually always because he is the 1st viable candidate. Neither Keys or Jackson got 90% of the black vote. So IMO it is less than about race, and more about his message, plans, and charisma.
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Really?
"THE JESSE FACTOR
That wasn’t the case with Jesse Jackson, whom Sharpton describes as one of his political mentors.
A detailed analysis of Jackson’s two presidential campaigns was conducted by the New York Times and published in its June 13, 1988 editions. In 1984, Jackson won 77 percent of the black vote and 5 percent of the white vote. Four years later, Jackson did considerably better, getting 92 percent of all ballots cast by African Americans and more than doubling his support among whites to 12 percent, according to exit polls."
http://www.umich.edu/~sankofa/sharpton.html

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2609372
Not everybody is going to get it. Some people forget that his mother is white. What if he had her color? I forget real racist people hate biracial/interracial relationships and their kids. I wish everybody could see each other as equal.
I do too, that is why I cannot vote for obama. And if you did not notice, I'm less white than Obama is.

 

[rylan1]

I don't want to hear about Bush... I hate the argument... Its like saying I have a black friend so I am not racist...
Anyway, the problem with the GOP is that they don't seek the black vote. They don't attend events that cater to black voters, nor do they talk about issues that concern the black community. And GOP politicians also seem to be the ones who want to roll back political advances that have been made by the black community. All I hear about from GOP is Dems aren't doing anything for you... and we freed you from slavery..
This is a new day and I want to know if my concerns fit into your (GOP) agenda... I want to be able to hear from you and see you... GOP doesn't do this and they are doing themselves a diservice...
Now I am sure we would be willing to listen if they had an urban agenda... and to your point... yes some dems "pimp" the black vote and do nothing... we need politicians who do what they say... I believe Obama will do this... as for Clinton... I think she does what is popular even if its wrong (ie Gas Tax) and McCain is a flipper who now moves with the wind... Obama is willing to tell you what is right... even if unpopular or is touchy.
So what the NAACP does represents all blacks... so if a women's group slams Bush...maybe he should not appoint women... or if a veterans group says the war is wrong... he should fire the Joint Chiefs to send a message... My point is these are not one is the same... and regardless of what an organization does... it doesn't mean you should blacklist or not hire people who are qualified based on them being in the demographic of whatever organization wants to hate Bush. Besides Clinton appointed several minorities as well... its a sign of the times.. not a gold star for Bush...even though I think its a good thing.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2609390
Really?
"THE JESSE FACTOR
That wasn’t the case with Jesse Jackson, whom Sharpton describes as one of his political mentors.
A detailed analysis of Jackson’s two presidential campaigns was conducted by the New York Times and published in its June 13, 1988 editions. In 1984, Jackson won 77 percent of the black vote and 5 percent of the white vote. Four years later, Jackson did considerably better, getting 92 percent of all ballots cast by African Americans and more than doubling his support among whites to 12 percent, according to exit polls."
http://www.umich.edu/~sankofa/sharpton.html

Lets compare others in recent times.. Clinton, Gore, Kerry, ... etc
Lets also think about the role Jackson had in the Civil Rights Era.. he literally walked right along side MLK... I think this is something that resonates also w/ black voters... Whom did these voters support in the General? and by what %.
I think the media too often injects race into these things ... it is definetely not the main reason why people vote, especially in 2008.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609417
I don't want to hear about Bush... I hate the argument... Its like saying I have a black friend so I am not racist...
Anyway, the problem with the GOP is that they don't seek the black vote. They don't attend events that cater to black voters, nor do they talk about issues that concern the black community. And GOP politicians also seem to be the ones who want to roll back political advances that have been made by the black community. All I hear about from GOP is Dems aren't doing anything for you... and we freed you from slavery..
This is a new day and I want to know if my concerns fit into your (GOP) agenda... I want to be able to hear from you and see you... GOP doesn't do this and they are doing themselves a diservice...
"Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program, no policy. They have no love and no joy. They'd rather take pictures with black children than feed them." -- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager for the 2000 election(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee
"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."
-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage
"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK."I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities."
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK."I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
-- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book, "Inside The White House""I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a

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from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America."
-Harry Truman (1911) in a letter to his future wife Bess "These laws [segregation] are still constitutional and I promise you that until they are removed from the ordinance books of Birmingham and the statute books of Alabama, they will be enforced in Birmingham to the utmost of my ability and by all lawful means."
-- Democrat Bull Connor (1957), Commissioner of Public Safety for Birmingham, Alabama
Reaching out to Blacks! Seriously.

 

[stdreb27]

Historically a
-republican signed the emancipation proclamation.
-Democrats enacted the jim crow laws the south.
-a bigger percentages of republicans voted for the 1964 civil rights act then
democrats.
-A republican appointed the first black sec of state.
Damn those racist republicans.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2609372
Not everybody is going to get it. Some people forget that his mother is white. What if he had her color? I forget real racist people hate biracial/interracial relationships and their kids. I wish everybody could see each other as equal.
by the way nice AVATAR

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2609351
Rylan, why would Hamas endorse him and hope he becomes president?
Also why would Palestinians/Hamas go so far as to set up a call center to call americans and try to get them to vote for Obama?
This is going on right now. There are several news stories on it.
I have my thoughts as to why and they have nothing to do with Muslim or terrorists ties to Obama. I am just curious what a suppoerter would think. My thoughts I am sure no one has thought about as the possible reason.
And also, why would Obama THANK a known terrorist organization for their endorsemement of him?
Who is the rest of the world endorsing? OBAMA. Bush policy has led to the rapid deterization we have faced in the world and our relationships with foreign gov'ts... The world (most of it) wants the USA to be the leader and the ideal.... this has not happened under Bush, and will not under McCain.