Do you think Hillary should keep the democrat race going?

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2609426
"Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program, no policy. They have no love and no joy. They'd rather take pictures with black children than feed them." -- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager for the 2000 election(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee
"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."
-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage
"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK."I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities."
-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK."I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
-- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book, "Inside The White House""I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a

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from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America."
-Harry Truman (1911) in a letter to his future wife Bess "These laws [segregation] are still constitutional and I promise you that until they are removed from the ordinance books of Birmingham and the statute books of Alabama, they will be enforced in Birmingham to the utmost of my ability and by all lawful means."
-- Democrat Bull Connor (1957), Commissioner of Public Safety for Birmingham, Alabama
Reaching out to Blacks! Seriously.

I'm tired of the same argument... repbulicans and dems can both be racist... You are refering to the 60's and southerners... Times have changed for the most part.. Care to mention any racist republicans? There are some that have also been in the klan.
And for C. Thomas... yes some people think he should do more for his community in his current position...but it really doesn't matter because none of these people are elected officials except for Watts.
And yes they have no agenda for urban america! We ask them to attend a debate that will speak directly to minority audiences.. but they decline election after election... because this is not their base... they have the power to change how blacks vote in the USA... and to do it means regardless of who your base is... you are going to seek out the vote of every american.

 

[gonefishcrazy]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609433
by the way nice AVATAR
Why thank you. Your avatar inspired me

. Thank you.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609437
Who is the rest of the world endorsing? OBAMA. Bush policy has led to the rapid deterization we have faced in the world and our relationships with foreign gov'ts... The world (most of it) wants the USA to be the leader and the ideal.... this has not happened under Bush, and will not under McCain.
You didn't answer my question. I am not trying to bait you or anything. I honestly am curious why YOU think a group such as Hamas would give Obama a public endorsement after Obama has clearly stated his position with Isreal.
I personally feel it his because of his stance and what he will do in Iraq...as the palestinians have been homeless for a long time. One has to question why a Terrorist group would back a presidential candidate.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609446
I'm tired of the same argument... repbulicans and dems can both be racist... You are refering to the 60's and southerners... Times have changed for the most part.. Care to mention any racist republicans? There are some that have also been in the klan.
And for C. Thomas... yes some people think he should do more for his community in his current position...but it really doesn't matter because none of these people are elected officials except for Watts.
And yes they have no agenda for urban america! We ask them to attend a debate that will speak directly to minority audiences.. but they decline election after election... because this is not their base... they have the power to change how blacks vote in the USA... and to do it means regardless of who your base is... you are going to seek out the vote of every american.
I just look at history, and today, and I see a party that has done more harm to the black people then anyone else, and yet they still vote for them.
You are the one arguing that the democrats have reached out as a reason for your blind support.
Why would you as a republican go speak to a "black" function like the NAACP? Seriously? Why? These organizations aren't pro-black they are partisan organizations. Or else they would have lauded Bush for his appointments. Instead of call the selfmade black leaders such as clarence thomas, Condi sellouts.
Why waste your time if you aren't going to get a fair shake.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2609520
I just look at history, and today, and I see a party that has done more harm to the black people then anyone else, and yet they still vote for them.
You are the one arguing that the democrats have reached out as a reason for your blind support.
Why would you as a republican go speak to a "black" function like the NAACP? Seriously? Why? These organizations aren't pro-black they are partisan organizations. Or else they would have lauded Bush for his appointments. Instead of call the selfmade black leaders such as clarence thomas, Condi sellouts.
Why waste your time if you aren't going to get a fair shake.
Regardless of whomever he appoints ... it doesn't give you a pass on addressing (avoiding) the issues. Regardless if it is the Congressional Black Caucus, Latino organizations, or the NAACP... they do not address these audiences.. But lets make a clear distinction b/w northern dems and southern... The feeling of parties changed with the Kennedy's... Now with that said I can argue that Christians treated blacks bad.... now this is true... but it doesn't mean because they didn't live up to the ideals this religion calls for or mandates..that I Christians in general are racist and I should denounce my religion. Just like some people who belong to a particular party who has racist ideals that don't live up to the Constitution.
This is not about what happened 150 years ago..or even 60 years ago... but what are you doing right now. And if they addressed us as "key constituents" they would have our ear. Its not about blind support... I choose as well as most other african americans a candidate who I feel will be the best.
I think you need to give people more credit than you do... we are not ignorant about politics... and its impact...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609597
Regardless of whomever he appoints ..
I think you need to give people more credit than you do... we are not ignorant about politics... and its impact...
I'll take actions, rather than words.
I'd rather have a president appoint someone based on merit not color, than a president appointing someone based on color not merit. Or a president that will go rub elbows with liberal groups that are mainly black.
IT has been said by minorities in your party that the only reason she was appointed is because she was a woman. Not because of what she has done.
If I were an black, I'd be tired of handouts.
Ignorant or apathetic, you still support a party that has done more to hurt the black community and run it into the ground than the republicans have.
Do you not remember what they said about Condi, Clarence Thomas, and others simply because they weren't democrats and were self made. Do you not remember the cartoons like the one of Condi as a parrot with giant lips? Have you not watched this election cycle with the garbage your party has been spewing. It isn't 50 years ago, it is today.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609417
I don't want to hear about Bush... I hate the argument... Its like saying I have a black friend so I am not racist...
Anyway, the problem with the GOP is that they don't seek the black vote. They don't attend events that cater to black voters, nor do they talk about issues that concern the black community. And GOP politicians also seem to be the ones who want to roll back political advances that have been made by the black community. All I hear about from GOP is Dems aren't doing anything for you... and we freed you from slavery..
This is a new day and I want to know if my concerns fit into your (GOP) agenda... I want to be able to hear from you and see you... GOP doesn't do this and they are doing themselves a diservice...
Now I am sure we would be willing to listen if they had an urban agenda... and to your point... yes some dems "pimp" the black vote and do nothing... we need politicians who do what they say... I believe Obama will do this... as for Clinton... I think she does what is popular even if its wrong (ie Gas Tax) and McCain is a flipper who now moves with the wind... Obama is willing to tell you what is right... even if unpopular or is touchy.
So what the NAACP does represents all blacks... so if a women's group slams Bush...maybe he should not appoint women... or if a veterans group says the war is wrong... he should fire the Joint Chiefs to send a message... My point is these are not one is the same... and regardless of what an organization does... it doesn't mean you should blacklist or not hire people who are qualified based on them being in the demographic of whatever organization wants to hate Bush. Besides Clinton appointed several minorities as well... its a sign of the times.. not a gold star for Bush...even though I think its a good thing.
So are you saying Bush is a racist?
"Now I am sure we would be willing to listen if they had an urban agenda..."
I could start a whole new thread to explore the ramifications of that statement.
The Republicans do need to do a better job of selling their policies to certain voters. That doesn't mean they should pander to them like the Democrats have.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609417
...Anyway, the problem with the GOP is that they don't seek the black vote. They don't attend events that cater to black voters, nor do they talk about issues that concern the black community. ....
God forbid the GOP treat everyone equally and not try to cater to skin color....
National security? Lower taxes? Keeping the Constitution sacred? Appointing constructionist judges? I'm sorry, which of these issues don't concern the black community?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609424
Lets compare others in recent times.. Clinton, Gore, Kerry, ... etc
Lets also think about the role Jackson had in the Civil Rights Era.. he literally walked right along side MLK... I think this is something that resonates also w/ black voters... Whom did these voters support in the General? and by what %.
I think the media too often injects race into these things ... it is definetely not the main reason why people vote, especially in 2008.
You tried to make the point blacks weren't voting for Obama simply because he's black and used Jackson not getting 90% of the vote as evidence. When demonstrated that Jackson had gotten 88 and 94% of the black vote you now try to change the argument? I don't think so.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609437
Who is the rest of the world endorsing? OBAMA. Bush policy has led to the rapid deterization we have faced in the world and our relationships with foreign gov'ts... The world (most of it) wants the USA to be the leader and the ideal.... this has not happened under Bush, and will not under McCain.
Wrong.
Since President Bush has been President many nations in the EU have actually voted in more Conservative Pro American candidates...
So, several countries in the EU endorse President Bush, and Tehran and Hamas endorse Obama.... Tough choice there.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609437
Who is the rest of the world endorsing? OBAMA. Bush policy has led to the rapid deterization we have faced in the world and our relationships with foreign gov'ts... The world (most of it) wants the USA to be the leader and the ideal.... this has not happened under Bush, and will not under McCain.
No, the rest of the world looks to the US as a cash cow and Obama has shown the willingness to give away billions more than we already do. Obama is trying to pass a bill that would obligate the US to provide billions in foreign aid set on a UN goal very few countries are meeting now. Fact is our government gives away more than any other country, our private citizens give away more than most countries on top of that but Obama wants to force use to give more, good times or bad.
We already know who Hamas is rooting for. I bet Iran, North Korea and China are too

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609446
I'm tired of the same argument... repbulicans and dems can both be racist... You are refering to the 60's and southerners... Times have changed for the most part.. Care to mention any racist republicans? There are some that have also been in the klan.
And for C. Thomas... yes some people think he should do more for his community in his current position...but it really doesn't matter because none of these people are elected officials except for Watts.
And yes they have no agenda for urban america! We ask them to attend a debate that will speak directly to minority audiences.. but they decline election after election... because this is not their base... they have the power to change how blacks vote in the USA... and to do it means regardless of who your base is... you are going to seek out the vote of every american.
Yeah, that SOB Bush declined to appear at a NCAA event after they ran an ad linking him to that dragging death in Texas. WHat was he thinking.
And we all know how receptive the black political establishment has been of Republicans. J.C. Watts was black last time I looked yet the Congressional Black Caucus would not accept him when he attempted to join.

Oh, and lets not forget the talk of Justice Thomas, Colin Powell and Condy Rice as being uncle toms

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2609687
God forbid the GOP treat everyone equally and not try to cater to skin color....
National security? Lower taxes? Keeping the Constitution sacred? Appointing constructionist judges? I'm sorry, which of these issues don't concern the black community?
I guess he wants more social programs?

 

[reefraff]

How's this for a social program. Quit blaming others for your problems or expecting them to fix it when you wont first try to help yourself.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2609727
I guess he wants more social programs?
What he appears to want is policy and programs targeting ethnic groups; The very soul of racism...
We need political parties to quit playing the race card. We need people to quit asking for politicians to address "black" or "white" issues and instead address American issues.

 

[flpriest]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2609066
Not really... I believe in a woman's right to choose; however I do believe that choice should be to keep it. I believe there are other alternatives to consider, and this is a choice that you should talk with someone about first and that it would be the last option. Generally, I think it's a selfish act and something that it has a serious emotional impact... at least for those who believe it is morally wrong...but I just don't feel its my right to say people can't do it.
yes really... You are pro choice... just because your choice is life, doesn't make you pro life. it just makes you pro choice, with your choice being life... Like i said, you can't be both. Your one or the other.

 

[flpriest]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2609790
What he appears to want is policy and programs targeting ethnic groups; The very soul of racism...
We need political parties to quit playing the race card. We need people to quit asking for politicians to address "black" or "white" issues and instead address American issues.

AMEN!!