Do you think Obama should have called the Cambridge Police Stupid?
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And there's nothing to indicate at this point that Obama won't get voted in again.
I think Obama's back-tracking on his initial response was surprising and unique. You don't see presidents too often trying to mediate such situations. It shows the human factor to Obama, and the reason that many, I think, voted for him rather than the same ole run of the mill politician on a pedestal.
Truth is, in the best case scenario, I don't think that anything at all was served by arresting a non-criminal in his own house just because he was carrying on and verbally abusing an officer. Does it happen every signal day? Yes it does and procedurally, it may be fine to arrest someone for carrying on angrily; but in the best interest of the community that police officers serve, and in putting out a good image, something law enforcement must always do, arresting an irate citizen when a crime has not been committed, just because you can legally do it, is not always the best thing to do. If Gates was ranting in a public place, like a store, or parking lot, ok. But he was on his own property. I didn't particularly like that the police officer continued to ask Gates to step outside. This seemed a tad like a set up to me, since Gates had to be outside, ranting, in order to exercise the arrest. Once the officer got his identity, and was aware of the situation, there was no further need for officers to be at the property. I still do not believe that race had anything at all to do with it. If information from witnesses or police records are released, it may be the officers actions are completely warranted. Wait and see.
Anyway, I think the president did well on this one.
I think Obama's back-tracking on his initial response was surprising and unique. You don't see presidents too often trying to mediate such situations. It shows the human factor to Obama, and the reason that many, I think, voted for him rather than the same ole run of the mill politician on a pedestal.
Truth is, in the best case scenario, I don't think that anything at all was served by arresting a non-criminal in his own house just because he was carrying on and verbally abusing an officer. Does it happen every signal day? Yes it does and procedurally, it may be fine to arrest someone for carrying on angrily; but in the best interest of the community that police officers serve, and in putting out a good image, something law enforcement must always do, arresting an irate citizen when a crime has not been committed, just because you can legally do it, is not always the best thing to do. If Gates was ranting in a public place, like a store, or parking lot, ok. But he was on his own property. I didn't particularly like that the police officer continued to ask Gates to step outside. This seemed a tad like a set up to me, since Gates had to be outside, ranting, in order to exercise the arrest. Once the officer got his identity, and was aware of the situation, there was no further need for officers to be at the property. I still do not believe that race had anything at all to do with it. If information from witnesses or police records are released, it may be the officers actions are completely warranted. Wait and see.
Anyway, I think the president did well on this one.
darthtang aw
Active Member
Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3094672
And there's nothing to indicate at this point that Obama won't get voted in again.
I think Obama's back-tracking on his initial response was surprising and unique. You don't see presidents too often trying to mediate such situations. It shows the human factor to Obama, and the reason that many, I think, voted for him rather than the same ole run of the mill politician on a pedestal.
Truth is, in the best case scenario, I don't think that anything at all was served by arresting a non-criminal in his own house just because he was carrying on and verbally abusing an officer. Does it happen every signal day? Yes it does and procedurally, it may be fine to arrest someone for carrying on angrily; but in the best interest of the community that police officers serve, and in putting out a good image, something law enforcement must always do, arresting an irate citizen when a crime has not been committed, just because you can legally do it, is not always the best thing to do. If Gates was ranting in a public place, like a store, or parking lot, ok. But he was on his own property. I didn't particularly like that the police officer continued to ask Gates to step outside. This seemed a tad like a set up to me, since Gates had to be outside, ranting, in order to exercise the arrest. Once the officer got his identity, and was aware of the situation, there was no further need for officers to be at the property. I still do not believe that race had anything at all to do with it. If information from witnesses or police records are released, it may be the officers actions are completely warranted. Wait and see.
Anyway, I think the president did well on this one.
The Police report stated he refused to show ID. I also guess there are audio tapes that may be released. Also a Black officer at the scene stated That the actions by the police were warranted.
http:///forum/post/3094672
And there's nothing to indicate at this point that Obama won't get voted in again.
I think Obama's back-tracking on his initial response was surprising and unique. You don't see presidents too often trying to mediate such situations. It shows the human factor to Obama, and the reason that many, I think, voted for him rather than the same ole run of the mill politician on a pedestal.
Truth is, in the best case scenario, I don't think that anything at all was served by arresting a non-criminal in his own house just because he was carrying on and verbally abusing an officer. Does it happen every signal day? Yes it does and procedurally, it may be fine to arrest someone for carrying on angrily; but in the best interest of the community that police officers serve, and in putting out a good image, something law enforcement must always do, arresting an irate citizen when a crime has not been committed, just because you can legally do it, is not always the best thing to do. If Gates was ranting in a public place, like a store, or parking lot, ok. But he was on his own property. I didn't particularly like that the police officer continued to ask Gates to step outside. This seemed a tad like a set up to me, since Gates had to be outside, ranting, in order to exercise the arrest. Once the officer got his identity, and was aware of the situation, there was no further need for officers to be at the property. I still do not believe that race had anything at all to do with it. If information from witnesses or police records are released, it may be the officers actions are completely warranted. Wait and see.
Anyway, I think the president did well on this one.
The Police report stated he refused to show ID. I also guess there are audio tapes that may be released. Also a Black officer at the scene stated That the actions by the police were warranted.
darthtang aw
Active Member
It is common knowledge that you do NOT verbally attack or insult police officers.
“This is what happens to black men in America!” and “You don’t know who you’re messing with!” in addition to verbally dragging Crowley’s mother into the fray.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1186764
If you act like a "civilized" human being the police check you out then you are on your way. If you hinder their investigation in any way you are arressted. The Proffessor hindered the investigation by initially refusing to show ID. Then by continuing to verbally assault them.
“This is what happens to black men in America!” and “You don’t know who you’re messing with!” in addition to verbally dragging Crowley’s mother into the fray.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1186764
If you act like a "civilized" human being the police check you out then you are on your way. If you hinder their investigation in any way you are arressted. The Proffessor hindered the investigation by initially refusing to show ID. Then by continuing to verbally assault them.
ironeagle2006
Active Member
Even in my LITTLE HICK TOWN if you act like that IDIOT PROFESSOR DID YOUR BUTT IS IN THE BACK OF THE SQUAD WITH A CHARGE OF DISORDERLY CONDUCT ON YOUR BUTT. Except here the local DA will not drop that charge under political pressure. He will see every case to the END.
I agree, acting like a jerk to the police is risky business, and will more frequently than not land you in the can. However, should bad behavior in your own home land you in the can?
My feeling is that to go to jail, one should have committed a crime, not just acted like an a s s to a police officer. Perhaps a citation would be more in order, not an arrest record. That is probably not an option, though.
My feeling is that to go to jail, one should have committed a crime, not just acted like an a s s to a police officer. Perhaps a citation would be more in order, not an arrest record. That is probably not an option, though.
crypt keeper
Active Member
you start telling a cop about his mom your day is done. i dont care what color you are.
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vinnyraptor
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Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/3093157
I dont think he should have commented on the subject without knowing all the facts, he could have said "I dont want to comment without knowing all the facts" but he didnt and had to add his 2 cents to a civil matter. Now there is a witch hunt after the cop but his fellow cops and chief are standing by him 100%.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...black-scholar/
another Obama bashing thread so im not going to even comment. all i know is when Bush spoke his mind (right or wrong) he was called a maverick, a cowboy, a straight shooter, etc...
http:///forum/post/3093157
I dont think he should have commented on the subject without knowing all the facts, he could have said "I dont want to comment without knowing all the facts" but he didnt and had to add his 2 cents to a civil matter. Now there is a witch hunt after the cop but his fellow cops and chief are standing by him 100%.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...black-scholar/
another Obama bashing thread so im not going to even comment. all i know is when Bush spoke his mind (right or wrong) he was called a maverick, a cowboy, a straight shooter, etc...
darthtang aw
Active Member
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3094727
another Obama bashing thread so im not going to even comment. all i know is when Bush spoke his mind (right or wrong) he was called a maverick, a cowboy, a straight shooter, etc...
Whoa!!! I remember terms such as moron, idiot, bumbler, liar, and so on...because he couldn't speak well. That has been his label since he was elected.
And of course you won't comment, because even you can see the President was in the wrong to comment on something he didn't know anything about. And then in the process demean the institution that was upholding the law and doing their job.
http:///forum/post/3094727
another Obama bashing thread so im not going to even comment. all i know is when Bush spoke his mind (right or wrong) he was called a maverick, a cowboy, a straight shooter, etc...
Whoa!!! I remember terms such as moron, idiot, bumbler, liar, and so on...because he couldn't speak well. That has been his label since he was elected.
And of course you won't comment, because even you can see the President was in the wrong to comment on something he didn't know anything about. And then in the process demean the institution that was upholding the law and doing their job.
crypt keeper
Active Member
Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3094731
Gates reaction is also bizarre, in my view. A Harvard professor shooting off about "your mama"? That is just weird. Does your education go out the window when you're pissed? Hopefully, if that is true, it will be on tape.
unless the cop car was decetnly close and pointed directly at them I doubt it. I have read on many news outlets that he was making comments about his mom more than once.
http:///forum/post/3094731
Gates reaction is also bizarre, in my view. A Harvard professor shooting off about "your mama"? That is just weird. Does your education go out the window when you're pissed? Hopefully, if that is true, it will be on tape.
unless the cop car was decetnly close and pointed directly at them I doubt it. I have read on many news outlets that he was making comments about his mom more than once.
Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3094739
unless the cop car was decetnly close and pointed directly at them I doubt it. I have read on many news outlets that he was making comments about his mom more than once.
In this situation, then, its he said, he said. However, the officier was on his radio during the tirade, so there may actually be evidence there.
Here's the police report:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/Police%2...s%20arrest.PDF
http:///forum/post/3094739
unless the cop car was decetnly close and pointed directly at them I doubt it. I have read on many news outlets that he was making comments about his mom more than once.
In this situation, then, its he said, he said. However, the officier was on his radio during the tirade, so there may actually be evidence there.
Here's the police report:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/Police%2...s%20arrest.PDF
reefraff
Active Member
I think maybe I was wrong when I said they should have cut gates lose after letting him cool down in the car for a while. I guess we don't need to be clogging the court system with arrogant idiots like this guy but I do think he deserved to spend a little time in the pokie.
veni vidi vici
Active Member
Absolutely dont need to clog are court system up more than it is already.
{Edit - this one went a bit far - Ophiura}
{Edit - this one went a bit far - Ophiura}
ironeagle2006
Active Member
Gates needs to worry more about KEEPING his JOB than anything. Harvard looks poorly about anyone bring bad press into that place. The Alumni there will be putting more pressure on the University that even OBAMA can not stop. They bring MILLIONS OF DOLLARS into that school in the from of grants and funiding that could dry up if Gates is not CANNED. Keep your eyes on what happens here.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3094679
The Police report stated he refused to show ID. I also guess there are audio tapes that may be released. Also a Black officer at the scene stated That the actions by the police were warranted.
I'm not sure, but I know the other officer was named Carlos. Which makes it real funny when obama included Latinos when talking about the evil police...
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3094733
Whoa!!! I remember terms such as moron, idiot, bumbler, liar, and so on...because he couldn't speak well. That has been his label since he was elected.
And of course you won't comment, because even you can see the President was in the wrong to comment on something he didn't know anything about. And then in the process demean the institution that was upholding the law and doing their job.
Don't forget the books, art, and films about assasination.
http:///forum/post/3094679
The Police report stated he refused to show ID. I also guess there are audio tapes that may be released. Also a Black officer at the scene stated That the actions by the police were warranted.
I'm not sure, but I know the other officer was named Carlos. Which makes it real funny when obama included Latinos when talking about the evil police...
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3094733
Whoa!!! I remember terms such as moron, idiot, bumbler, liar, and so on...because he couldn't speak well. That has been his label since he was elected.
And of course you won't comment, because even you can see the President was in the wrong to comment on something he didn't know anything about. And then in the process demean the institution that was upholding the law and doing their job.
Don't forget the books, art, and films about assasination.
socal57che
Active Member
Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/3093310
So Cal..all due respect. Not totally sure where you were going with this..but,
Suffered no fallout from Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Rezko (sp) and a few others just fine. Why would this be any different. Barry can say and do whatever he wants. Don't question it or your a racist.
This incident actually got coverage by media other than Fox News. (unlike the handshake incidents occuring around the globe)
I hope I wasn't jut put on a list. Big Brother is watching, ya know.
ps...am I racist if I call another caucasion Wonderbread or cracker? I always liked the term Wonderbread.
When Hawaiians call my wife "Howlie" (sp) she responds by saying "yup, I'm about as white as they come." The media doesn't get involved, nor does it cause any other kind of uproar. A white cop asks a well educated, wealthy black man for ID and the flood gates open. Dude, just whip out your license so the guy can get back to responding to aggrivated assault calls.
http:///forum/post/3093310
So Cal..all due respect. Not totally sure where you were going with this..but,
Suffered no fallout from Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Rezko (sp) and a few others just fine. Why would this be any different. Barry can say and do whatever he wants. Don't question it or your a racist.
This incident actually got coverage by media other than Fox News. (unlike the handshake incidents occuring around the globe)
I hope I wasn't jut put on a list. Big Brother is watching, ya know.
ps...am I racist if I call another caucasion Wonderbread or cracker? I always liked the term Wonderbread.
When Hawaiians call my wife "Howlie" (sp) she responds by saying "yup, I'm about as white as they come." The media doesn't get involved, nor does it cause any other kind of uproar. A white cop asks a well educated, wealthy black man for ID and the flood gates open. Dude, just whip out your license so the guy can get back to responding to aggrivated assault calls.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3095358
This incident actually got coverage by media other than Fox News. (unlike the handshake incidents occuring around the globe)
I hope I wasn't jut put on a list. Big Brother is watching, ya know.
ps...am I racist if I call another caucasion Wonderbread or cracker? I always liked the term Wonderbread.
When Hawaiians call my wife "Howlie" (sp) she responds by saying "yup, I'm about as white as they come." The media doesn't get involved, nor does it cause any other kind of uproar. A white cop asks a well educated, wealthy black man for ID and the flood gates open. Dude, just whip out your license so the guy can get back to responding to aggrivated assault calls.
I think he knows he screwed up.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
I do hope they release the audio!
http:///forum/post/3095358
This incident actually got coverage by media other than Fox News. (unlike the handshake incidents occuring around the globe)
I hope I wasn't jut put on a list. Big Brother is watching, ya know.
ps...am I racist if I call another caucasion Wonderbread or cracker? I always liked the term Wonderbread.
When Hawaiians call my wife "Howlie" (sp) she responds by saying "yup, I'm about as white as they come." The media doesn't get involved, nor does it cause any other kind of uproar. A white cop asks a well educated, wealthy black man for ID and the flood gates open. Dude, just whip out your license so the guy can get back to responding to aggrivated assault calls.
I think he knows he screwed up.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
I do hope they release the audio!
deejeff442
Active Member
funny i was talking to a couple of my black friends out in dallas.one of them said the cops should have tasered the professor.
thought that was funny.
well the 2010 elections are coming once pelosi is out it will be all down hill for the dems.even the dems wont sign the health bill because they know they wont have a job in 2011.
when that thing fails and the cap and trade fails to pass that will be it for obama.10% unemployment ,government motors,foreclosures setting more records last month ,this dude is done.
everyone knows the economy isnt just going to turn around fast and obamas lying is catching up with him.
thought that was funny.
well the 2010 elections are coming once pelosi is out it will be all down hill for the dems.even the dems wont sign the health bill because they know they wont have a job in 2011.
when that thing fails and the cap and trade fails to pass that will be it for obama.10% unemployment ,government motors,foreclosures setting more records last month ,this dude is done.
everyone knows the economy isnt just going to turn around fast and obamas lying is catching up with him.
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vinnyraptor
Guest
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3094733
Whoa!!! I remember terms such as moron, idiot, bumbler, liar, and so on...because he couldn't speak well. That has been his label since he was elected.
And of course you won't comment, because even you can see the President was in the wrong to comment on something he didn't know anything about. And then in the process demean the institution that was upholding the law and doing their job.
you guys said the same things about Obama. can only give a good speech off a teleprompter, liar, leftist, socialist, communist, TERRORIST, etc. lmao.
your all knit picking IMO, because overall he's doing what he said he would do and doing a good job. the stock market is rising, major banks are reporting earnings, the housing market is picking up and we are fighting terrorism where its bred in Pakistan and Afghanistan. he's saying all the right things and regaining our respect globally. and you guys have a long thread about what he said regarding a guy who was breaking into his OWN house and had an arguement with some cops?
you know why? because its the only negative thing out there... so have at it! lol. "he hates cops" "he doesnt respect law enforcement or the troops" lol, lol, lol.
btw i have no problem with what he said or how he said it. just for the record.
http:///forum/post/3094733
Whoa!!! I remember terms such as moron, idiot, bumbler, liar, and so on...because he couldn't speak well. That has been his label since he was elected.
And of course you won't comment, because even you can see the President was in the wrong to comment on something he didn't know anything about. And then in the process demean the institution that was upholding the law and doing their job.
you guys said the same things about Obama. can only give a good speech off a teleprompter, liar, leftist, socialist, communist, TERRORIST, etc. lmao.
your all knit picking IMO, because overall he's doing what he said he would do and doing a good job. the stock market is rising, major banks are reporting earnings, the housing market is picking up and we are fighting terrorism where its bred in Pakistan and Afghanistan. he's saying all the right things and regaining our respect globally. and you guys have a long thread about what he said regarding a guy who was breaking into his OWN house and had an arguement with some cops?
you know why? because its the only negative thing out there... so have at it! lol. "he hates cops" "he doesnt respect law enforcement or the troops" lol, lol, lol.
btw i have no problem with what he said or how he said it. just for the record.