Don't Tread on me is so 1800..........

[darthtang aw]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331527
All these extreme security measures have been a result of "Cause and Effect".
Back in the days, you could take your scissors, pocket knives, razors, anything sharp on a plane. Then some nutcase hijacks a plane using one of these items, so they ban them on planes.
Back in the 70's, you had 'smoking sections' on planes. Then it was determined second-hand smoke was bad for you, so they banned smoking on planes.
You have the guy who puts an explosive device in the inside of his shoe, then tries lighting it in mid-air, so now they ban any incendiary device on planes, and you have to take your shoes off and run them through an X-Ray machine.
Another person brings a caustic liquid on-board, so now you can't bring any liquid over 3 oz. through the security checkpoint, women can't bring their make-up, and you're not allowed to bring ANY food or drinks through the security checkpoints (Don't tell me, this is a ploy by the airlines and the government to make a profit on you by making you pay $5 for a Big Mac).
Now you have some kid stick an explosive device in his shorts, so they have to implement this extreme scanning device and procedure to make sure that doesn't happen again.
So I guess the question is, what is different with this scanning/pat down procedure that vilolates your rights, that's any different from your other rights that have been denied with these other implemented procedures? Could it get to the point where they want to perform full body checks? If some idiot does manage to blow up a plane by sneaking some explosives on by sticking it up his rectum, maybe. If that's what it will take to insure the safety of all the passengers that boards hundreds of planes on a daily basis, so be it. They do it today in airports around the world. I've personally seen some of the extreme measures some of these foreign countries go through when it comes to security. I was in a country recently where every single piece of luggage that was put on our plane was opened and inspected. They looked at every article of clothing and personal items contained in anything you brought to the check-in. If you had ANY drug, it had to be in its original container. If it were a prescription drug, it had to be in its container that showed a valid script. If not, they took them. If they suspected any of your drugs may be illegal, you could be subjected to a full body cavity search. Is this extreme? Maybe. But from what I've read, that airport has never had a situation where one of their planes was involved with a terroristic act.
The difference is 13 year old girls didn't have to get their breasts squeezed by a stranger...A 14 year old boy didn't have to have his junk cupped without being asked to cough. And no one put their hands in my underwear unless I paid for it.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331539
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331523
Yea, yea, every single time a controversial political issue gets discussed on this board, you throw your little "It's the Democrats/Liberals/Obama's/Anything Left fault" jab and insult. When someone confronts you about it, "It's a joke". You hate that side of the political party, I get it. Hopefully you'll see one day that it's not just that group that's screwing up this country. It's pretty much balanced on both sides of the fence.
Conservatives aren't the problem, it is republicans who take democrat ideas and massage them to make them palletable... And that I'm serious about.
You just like all the other rubes. You claim both sides are to blaim, yet every time you have an opinion you fall on a certain side... Then make up wild claims to support your conflicting statements.
What is a Rube? Is that some NeoCon slang term for a Liberal Lover?

If you honestly think Conservative ideologies are the only way a country like this would survive, you live in a world of dillusion. I'm serious about that. There will always be a neccessity for Liberal views in a complex society like the one in the US. If it were up to the Conservatives, you'd want to live in this isolated world where you can do as you please, and circumvent any laws or tenets set forth by the majority of the individuals who live around you. Doesn't work that way. Having both Liberal and Conservative ideologies keeps a balance in the power. Sorry to burst your bubble, but unlike you, I don't always sit on one side of the fence. I'm actually open-minded to ideas from either side. Unfortunately, you don't see it that way. People with your mindset are what is screwing this country today. I'm sick of the Us vs. Them mentality the Conservatives spew on a daily basis. If you've never read the first line of the Declaration Of Independence, it says WE THE PEOPLE, not We The Conservatives or We The Liberals.

 

[bionicarm]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331540
Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331527
All these extreme security measures have been a result of "Cause and Effect".
Back in the days, you could take your scissors, pocket knives, razors, anything sharp on a plane. Then some nutcase hijacks a plane using one of these items, so they ban them on planes.
Back in the 70's, you had 'smoking sections' on planes. Then it was determined second-hand smoke was bad for you, so they banned smoking on planes.
You have the guy who puts an explosive device in the inside of his shoe, then tries lighting it in mid-air, so now they ban any incendiary device on planes, and you have to take your shoes off and run them through an X-Ray machine.
Another person brings a caustic liquid on-board, so now you can't bring any liquid over 3 oz. through the security checkpoint, women can't bring their make-up, and you're not allowed to bring ANY food or drinks through the security checkpoints (Don't tell me, this is a ploy by the airlines and the government to make a profit on you by making you pay $5 for a Big Mac).
Now you have some kid stick an explosive device in his shorts, so they have to implement this extreme scanning device and procedure to make sure that doesn't happen again.
So I guess the question is, what is different with this scanning/pat down procedure that vilolates your rights, that's any different from your other rights that have been denied with these other implemented procedures? Could it get to the point where they want to perform full body checks? If some idiot does manage to blow up a plane by sneaking some explosives on by sticking it up his rectum, maybe. If that's what it will take to insure the safety of all the passengers that boards hundreds of planes on a daily basis, so be it. They do it today in airports around the world. I've personally seen some of the extreme measures some of these foreign countries go through when it comes to security. I was in a country recently where every single piece of luggage that was put on our plane was opened and inspected. They looked at every article of clothing and personal items contained in anything you brought to the check-in. If you had ANY drug, it had to be in its original container. If it were a prescription drug, it had to be in its container that showed a valid script. If not, they took them. If they suspected any of your drugs may be illegal, you could be subjected to a full body cavity search. Is this extreme? Maybe. But from what I've read, that airport has never had a situation where one of their planes was involved with a terroristic act.
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The difference is 13 year old girls didn't have to get their breasts squeezed by a stranger...A 14 year old boy didn't have to have his junk cupped without being asked to cough. And no one put their hands in my underwear unless I paid for it.
Kids would never be subjected to the screenings if the parents would simply insure their kids didn't stuff metallic objects or other items in their clothes prior to walking through the metal detectors. The only reason that one boy had to take off his sweatshirt at that one airport is because he set off the alarm on the metal detector two times going through it. If you follow the simple rules set forth by the TSA when it comes to what you can wear prior to going through the metal detectors, you will rarely if ever get selected for a screening. Like I said, I spent the last month or so traveling worldwide through every kind of airport imaginable. I never once had to go through one of the screening/pat downs, and I'd say at least 70% of the airports I went through has them in place. Ever watch that Geoge Clooney movie 'Up In The Air'? He exemplified the 'seasoned traveler', and showed what it took to get through airport security hassle-free.

 

[darthtang aw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331540
Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331527
All these extreme security measures have been a result of "Cause and Effect".
Back in the days, you could take your scissors, pocket knives, razors, anything sharp on a plane. Then some nutcase hijacks a plane using one of these items, so they ban them on planes.
Back in the 70's, you had 'smoking sections' on planes. Then it was determined second-hand smoke was bad for you, so they banned smoking on planes.
You have the guy who puts an explosive device in the inside of his shoe, then tries lighting it in mid-air, so now they ban any incendiary device on planes, and you have to take your shoes off and run them through an X-Ray machine.
Another person brings a caustic liquid on-board, so now you can't bring any liquid over 3 oz. through the security checkpoint, women can't bring their make-up, and you're not allowed to bring ANY food or drinks through the security checkpoints (Don't tell me, this is a ploy by the airlines and the government to make a profit on you by making you pay $5 for a Big Mac).
Now you have some kid stick an explosive device in his shorts, so they have to implement this extreme scanning device and procedure to make sure that doesn't happen again.
So I guess the question is, what is different with this scanning/pat down procedure that vilolates your rights, that's any different from your other rights that have been denied with these other implemented procedures? Could it get to the point where they want to perform full body checks? If some idiot does manage to blow up a plane by sneaking some explosives on by sticking it up his rectum, maybe. If that's what it will take to insure the safety of all the passengers that boards hundreds of planes on a daily basis, so be it. They do it today in airports around the world. I've personally seen some of the extreme measures some of these foreign countries go through when it comes to security. I was in a country recently where every single piece of luggage that was put on our plane was opened and inspected. They looked at every article of clothing and personal items contained in anything you brought to the check-in. If you had ANY drug, it had to be in its original container. If it were a prescription drug, it had to be in its container that showed a valid script. If not, they took them. If they suspected any of your drugs may be illegal, you could be subjected to a full body cavity search. Is this extreme? Maybe. But from what I've read, that airport has never had a situation where one of their planes was involved with a terroristic act.
The difference is 13 year old girls didn't have to get their breasts squeezed by a stranger...A 14 year old boy didn't have to have his junk cupped without being asked to cough. And no one put their hands in my underwear unless I paid for it.
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331551
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331540
Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331527
All these extreme security measures have been a result of "Cause and Effect".
Back in the days, you could take your scissors, pocket knives, razors, anything sharp on a plane. Then some nutcase hijacks a plane using one of these items, so they ban them on planes.
Back in the 70's, you had 'smoking sections' on planes. Then it was determined second-hand smoke was bad for you, so they banned smoking on planes.
You have the guy who puts an explosive device in the inside of his shoe, then tries lighting it in mid-air, so now they ban any incendiary device on planes, and you have to take your shoes off and run them through an X-Ray machine.
Another person brings a caustic liquid on-board, so now you can't bring any liquid over 3 oz. through the security checkpoint, women can't bring their make-up, and you're not allowed to bring ANY food or drinks through the security checkpoints (Don't tell me, this is a ploy by the airlines and the government to make a profit on you by making you pay $5 for a Big Mac).
Now you have some kid stick an explosive device in his shorts, so they have to implement this extreme scanning device and procedure to make sure that doesn't happen again.
So I guess the question is, what is different with this scanning/pat down procedure that vilolates your rights, that's any different from your other rights that have been denied with these other implemented procedures? Could it get to the point where they want to perform full body checks? If some idiot does manage to blow up a plane by sneaking some explosives on by sticking it up his rectum, maybe. If that's what it will take to insure the safety of all the passengers that boards hundreds of planes on a daily basis, so be it. They do it today in airports around the world. I've personally seen some of the extreme measures some of these foreign countries go through when it comes to security. I was in a country recently where every single piece of luggage that was put on our plane was opened and inspected. They looked at every article of clothing and personal items contained in anything you brought to the check-in. If you had ANY drug, it had to be in its original container. If it were a prescription drug, it had to be in its container that showed a valid script. If not, they took them. If they suspected any of your drugs may be illegal, you could be subjected to a full body cavity search. Is this extreme? Maybe. But from what I've read, that airport has never had a situation where one of their planes was involved with a terroristic act.
The difference is 13 year old girls didn't have to get their breasts squeezed by a stranger...A 14 year old boy didn't have to have his junk cupped without being asked to cough. And no one put their hands in my underwear unless I paid for it.
Kids would never be subjected to the screenings if the parents would simply insure their kids didn't stuff metallic objects or other items in their clothes prior to walking through the metal detectors. The only reason that one boy had to take off his sweatshirt at that one airport is because he set off the alarm on the metal detector two times going through it. If you follow the simple rules set forth by the TSA when it comes to what you can wear prior to going through the metal detectors, you will rarely if ever get selected for a screening. Like I said, I spent the last month or so traveling worldwide through every kind of airport imaginable. I never once had to go through one of the screening/pat downs, and I'd say at least 70% of the airports I went through has them in place. Ever watch that Geoge Clooney movie 'Up In The Air'? He exemplified the 'seasoned traveler', and showed what it took to get through airport security hassle-free.
So, no pat down then if you don't want to go through the body scanner...not the metal detector..the body scanner.

 

[darthtang aw]

Only 70 airports nationwide have body scanners...totaling 400 scanners. Roughly 20% of those flying are asked to go through scanners or receive the pat down.
If a child with pins in their leg or body sets off the scanner...then walla. If a veteran sets off the scanner...walla. I love how you make it sound so simple.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331562
Only 70 airports nationwide have body scanners...totaling 400 scanners. Roughly 20% of those flying are asked to go through scanners or receive the pat down.
If a child with pins in their leg or body sets off the scanner...then walla. If a veteran sets off the scanner...walla. I love how you make it sound so simple.
I have a co-worker who had a knee replacement several years ago. He now walks around with this Titanium (or whatever it is) knee cap. His doctor gave him this card that stipulates he has this plate in his leg. When he flies, he doesn't even bother to walk up to the regular metal detectors. He shows his card to a TSA agent, and they take him to a separate screening room where he gets a wand and PAT DOWN. He's come the realization that "it is what it is". He understands why he is treated differently when it comes to airport security, and it doesn't bother him. He said he'll opt for the scanner if they give him that option because it is less intrusive. I would imagine that the kid with pins, or the veteran with whatever metal he/she has in their body, have the same documentation and have been getting the same treatment as my co-worker before these scanners were ever put in place.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331562
Only 70 airports nationwide have body scanners...totaling 400 scanners. Roughly 20% of those flying are asked to go through scanners or receive the pat down.
If a child with pins in their leg or body sets off the scanner...then walla. If a veteran sets off the scanner...walla. I love how you make it sound so simple.
I was just listening to my local Noon news, and they said that only 2% - 3% of the people flying this Thanksgiving would be asked to go through the scanner/pat down procedure. Not sure where you're getting this 20% number.

 

[aquaknight]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331551
Kids would never be subjected to the screenings if the parents would simply insure their kids didn't stuff metallic objects or other items in their clothes prior to walking through the metal detectors. The only reason that one boy had to take off his sweatshirt at that one airport is because he set off the alarm on the metal detector two times going through it. If you follow the simple rules set forth by the TSA when it comes to what you can wear prior to going through the metal detectors, you will rarely if ever get selected for a screening. Like I said, I spent the last month or so traveling worldwide through every kind of airport imaginable. I never once had to go through one of the screening/pat downs, and I'd say at least 70% of the airports I went through has them in place. Ever watch that Geoge Clooney movie 'Up In The Air'? He exemplified the 'seasoned traveler', and showed what it took to get through airport security hassle-free.
Jeez us man, always with the over the top examples.

In my reply I stated that I fully understand why we have these security measures in place, and what they're for. My point is that if we don't watch where these security measures go, ridiculous in some people's opinion, fine in others opinion, they will cause a significant enough reducing in flight traffic, there isn't going to be airlines to fly us anywhere in the first place. It's sounds like your fine to take a probe up the rump to fly, but I bet the majority of the US flying population isn't.
About the boy, what that illustration highlights is a lack of understanding by these government agencies. Regardless if the boy did set off the metal detectors twice, I simply won't believe it's standard operating procedure to make a child unclothe in the middle of a terminal. If the people running the show don't now the rules themselves, what good is it?
BTW, you still have not answered the part about your administration caving on the Muslim women issue, and can't imagine you still support this, if Muslim women are exempt from body scans or pat downs....

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331635
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331551
Kids would never be subjected to the screenings if the parents would simply insure their kids didn't stuff metallic objects or other items in their clothes prior to walking through the metal detectors. The only reason that one boy had to take off his sweatshirt at that one airport is because he set off the alarm on the metal detector two times going through it. If you follow the simple rules set forth by the TSA when it comes to what you can wear prior to going through the metal detectors, you will rarely if ever get selected for a screening. Like I said, I spent the last month or so traveling worldwide through every kind of airport imaginable. I never once had to go through one of the screening/pat downs, and I'd say at least 70% of the airports I went through has them in place. Ever watch that Geoge Clooney movie 'Up In The Air'? He exemplified the 'seasoned traveler', and showed what it took to get through airport security hassle-free.
Jeez us man, always with the over the top examples.

In my reply I stated that I fully understand why we have these security measures in place, and what they're for. My point is that if we don't watch where these security measures go, ridiculous in some people's opinion, fine in others opinion, they will cause a significant enough reducing in flight traffic, there isn't going to be airlines to fly us anywhere in the first place. It's sounds like your fine to take a probe up the rump to fly, but I bet the majority of the US flying population isn't.
About the boy, what that illustration highlights is a lack of understanding by these government agencies. Regardless if the boy did set off the metal detectors twice, I simply won't believe it's standard operating procedure to make a child unclothe in the middle of a terminal. If the people running the show don't now the rules themselves, what good is it?
BTW, you still have not answered the part about your administration caving on the Muslim women issue, and can't imagine you still support this, if Muslim women are exempt from body scans or pat downs....
The boy's father made the decision to have his son take off the sweatshirt in public, not the TSA. He figured it would speed up the process.
If you honestly think this new scanning requirement will slow or completely stop air travel, you're dillusional. Too many people in this world rely on that mode of travel to get from Point A to Point B. Screenings similar to this have been in place in Europe and the "Other Side Of The Pond" for years. Just like having to deal with removing your shoes, and sticking all your liquids in a plastic bag, this little incovenience will soon pass and become acceptable in everyday travel. Several polls done nationawide have showed over 70% of people who frequently travel have no problems with this new process. It's reactionary fatalist like you who are making a big deal out of it.
First off, it's not MY administration. Believe it or not, I don't agree with all of the new policies that have been implemented. As far as the Muslim garb issue? No, I don't agree with that policy. I don't think ANY religious convictions should be used as an excuse to circumvent airport security. In all honesty, I don't know how a woman dressed like that could deny getting scanned. I don't recall the 'Contract' a passenger signs and agrees to says anything about preferential treatment due to religious beliefs. Deny following the procedures? You don't fly. Let the ACLU try to sue the TSA. I guarantee you they wouldn't get far.

 

[stdreb27]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331547
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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331539
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331523
Yea, yea, every single time a controversial political issue gets discussed on this board, you throw your little "It's the Democrats/Liberals/Obama's/Anything Left fault" jab and insult. When someone confronts you about it, "It's a joke". You hate that side of the political party, I get it. Hopefully you'll see one day that it's not just that group that's screwing up this country. It's pretty much balanced on both sides of the fence.
Conservatives aren't the problem, it is republicans who take democrat ideas and massage them to make them palletable... And that I'm serious about.
You just like all the other rubes. You claim both sides are to blaim, yet every time you have an opinion you fall on a certain side... Then make up wild claims to support your conflicting statements.
What is a Rube? Is that some NeoCon slang term for a Liberal Lover?

If you honestly think Conservative ideologies are the only way a country like this would survive, you live in a world of dillusion. I'm serious about that. There will always be a neccessity for Liberal views in a complex society like the one in the US. If it were up to the Conservatives, you'd want to live in this isolated world where you can do as you please, and circumvent any laws or tenets set forth by the majority of the individuals who live around you. Doesn't work that way. Having both Liberal and Conservative ideologies keeps a balance in the power. Sorry to burst your bubble, but unlike you, I don't always sit on one side of the fence. I'm actually open-minded to ideas from either side. Unfortunately, you don't see it that way. People with your mindset are what is screwing this country today. I'm sick of the Us vs. Them mentality the Conservatives spew on a daily basis. If you've never read the first line of the Declaration Of Independence, it says WE THE PEOPLE, not We The Conservatives or We The Liberals.
lol, what I can't make fun of your absolutely rediculous views you've expressed, basically accusing Bush of starting a war for his own personal gain... That was my intent. You say I go hide? But you see I'm not so much of an extreemist where I find that plausible.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331820
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331547
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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331539
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331523
Yea, yea, every single time a controversial political issue gets discussed on this board, you throw your little "It's the Democrats/Liberals/Obama's/Anything Left fault" jab and insult. When someone confronts you about it, "It's a joke". You hate that side of the political party, I get it. Hopefully you'll see one day that it's not just that group that's screwing up this country. It's pretty much balanced on both sides of the fence.
Conservatives aren't the problem, it is republicans who take democrat ideas and massage them to make them palletable... And that I'm serious about.
You just like all the other rubes. You claim both sides are to blaim, yet every time you have an opinion you fall on a certain side... Then make up wild claims to support your conflicting statements.
What is a Rube? Is that some NeoCon slang term for a Liberal Lover?

If you honestly think Conservative ideologies are the only way a country like this would survive, you live in a world of dillusion. I'm serious about that. There will always be a neccessity for Liberal views in a complex society like the one in the US. If it were up to the Conservatives, you'd want to live in this isolated world where you can do as you please, and circumvent any laws or tenets set forth by the majority of the individuals who live around you. Doesn't work that way. Having both Liberal and Conservative ideologies keeps a balance in the power. Sorry to burst your bubble, but unlike you, I don't always sit on one side of the fence. I'm actually open-minded to ideas from either side. Unfortunately, you don't see it that way. People with your mindset are what is screwing this country today. I'm sick of the Us vs. Them mentality the Conservatives spew on a daily basis. If you've never read the first line of the Declaration Of Independence, it says WE THE PEOPLE, not We The Conservatives or We The Liberals.
lol, what I can't make fun of your absolutely rediculous views you've expressed, basically accusing Bush of starting a war for his own personal gain... That was my intent. You say I go hide? But you see I'm not so much of an extreemist where I find that plausible.
So the Bush family has never had any association with Halliburton? One of the companies whose received the most defense contracts ever awarded in both Gulf Wars? Did that influence Dubya to start the war against Iraq? No, of course not. His ratings among the American people were dropping like a rock, and the economy was heading into a major recession. So in his mindset, War = Economic Growth. Worked in WW2 didn't it? However, that war has had an opposite effect on our economy. He was also pressured by the American people to get vengence against Al-Qeada for 9/11. He went to Congress spinning his tale we need to invade Iraq and rid Sadaam (since he was supposedly tied to Al-Qaeda, giving them refuge and financial support), and disarm them of the elusive WMD's he SUPPOSEDLY had in his possession. While we're over there, we'll take out Bin Laden at the same time. Congress took the bait, and went right along with his charade. As it ended up, all we did is got Sadaam hung, found no indication there were any WMD's, spent over a Trillon dollars rebuilding and helping a country that could care less about us, and to this day haven't put a dent into Bin Laden's cause or caught the guy.
If you're not an extremist, then why do you constantly blame every single thing that has gone wrong in the country for the past decade, solely on the Democrats and Liberals? If you honestly believe that, then you are "hiding" under the cloak of the NeoCons.

 

[bionicarm]

For those of you who are concerned that these new scanners emit some dangerous levels of radiation, read this article that states you actually get exposed to more radiation simply from flying in the airplane itself:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40362683/ns/health-health_care/

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331861
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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331820
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331547
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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331539
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331523
Yea, yea, every single time a controversial political issue gets discussed on this board, you throw your little "It's the Democrats/Liberals/Obama's/Anything Left fault" jab and insult. When someone confronts you about it, "It's a joke". You hate that side of the political party, I get it. Hopefully you'll see one day that it's not just that group that's screwing up this country. It's pretty much balanced on both sides of the fence.
Conservatives aren't the problem, it is republicans who take democrat ideas and massage them to make them palletable... And that I'm serious about.
You just like all the other rubes. You claim both sides are to blaim, yet every time you have an opinion you fall on a certain side... Then make up wild claims to support your conflicting statements.
What is a Rube? Is that some NeoCon slang term for a Liberal Lover?

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If you honestly think Conservative ideologies are the only way a country like this would survive, you live in a world of dillusion. I'm serious about that. There will always be a neccessity for Liberal views in a complex society like the one in the US. If it were up to the Conservatives, you'd want to live in this isolated world where you can do as you please, and circumvent any laws or tenets set forth by the majority of the individuals who live around you. Doesn't work that way. Having both Liberal and Conservative ideologies keeps a balance in the power. Sorry to burst your bubble, but unlike you, I don't always sit on one side of the fence. I'm actually open-minded to ideas from either side. Unfortunately, you don't see it that way. People with your mindset are what is screwing this country today. I'm sick of the Us vs. Them mentality the Conservatives spew on a daily basis. If you've never read the first line of the Declaration Of Independence, it says WE THE PEOPLE, not We The Conservatives or We The Liberals.
lol, what I can't make fun of your absolutely rediculous views you've expressed, basically accusing Bush of starting a war for his own personal gain... That was my intent. You say I go hide? But you see I'm not so much of an extreemist where I find that plausible.
So the Bush family has never had any association with Halliburton? One of the companies whose received the most defense contracts ever awarded in both Gulf Wars? Did that influence Dubya to start the war against Iraq? No, of course not. His ratings among the American people were dropping like a rock, and the economy was heading into a major recession. So in his mindset, War = Economic Growth. Worked in WW2 didn't it? However, that war has had an opposite effect on our economy. He was also pressured by the American people to get vengence against Al-Qeada for 9/11. He went to Congress spinning his tale we need to invade Iraq and rid Sadaam (since he was supposedly tied to Al-Qaeda, giving them refuge and financial support), and disarm them of the elusive WMD's he SUPPOSEDLY had in his possession. While we're over there, we'll take out Bin Laden at the same time. Congress took the bait, and went right along with his charade. As it ended up, all we did is got Sadaam hung, found no indication there were any WMD's, spent over a Trillon dollars rebuilding and helping a country that could care less about us, and to this day haven't put a dent into Bin Laden's cause or caught the guy.
If you're not an extremist, then why do you constantly blame every single thing that has gone wrong in the country for the past decade, solely on the Democrats and Liberals? If you honestly believe that, then you are "hiding" under the cloak of the NeoCons.
Ask the Kurds or Iranians if Iraq had WMD's. We went into Afghanistan way before Iraq so the two had nothing to do with each other as far as far as convincing Congress of anything.
What evidence do you have of a Bush family association with Halliburton? Dick Cheny ran the company for 5 years. When he decided to jump on the ticket he had stock options that were worthless at the time which he donated to charity, Because they were worthless at the time so he couldn't even take a tax deduction for the donation. He even took out an insurance policy on his deferred compensation so he had nothing to gain by Halliburton doing well yet the small minded goons on the left still attacked him over it and the sheep joined in. That is a close a tie as Bush has with them. Bill Clinton handed them plenty of business in the Balkins. Was that because he had an association with them or because they are the only US based company that can do that kind of work?

 

[darthtang aw]

Bionic, please explain this.....or are you going to say women shouldn't fly during that time of the month as well.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/sanitary-towel-prompts-tsa-to-grope-sexual-assault-victim.html

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3332004
Bionic, please explain this.....or are you going to say women shouldn't fly during that time of the month as well.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/sanitary-towel-prompts-tsa-to-grope-sexual-assault-victim.html
What do you want me to say? It is what it is. Is it right? No. Is it avoidable? In most cases, no. Unless the TSA has the airlines make a statement saying women wearing these 'devices' may be subjected to a more intrusive search if they are picked to go through one of the scanners. If a women does happen to be at "that time of the month", and they fear they may get embarrassed by walking through the scanner, ask for the "back handed pat down". If this woman would have requested that when she was pulled, I doubt she would've experienced what she did.
If you feel this is still an unacceptable answer, then contact your Congressman and demand they put an end to these scanners. But if another Underwear Bomber yet again "falls through the cracks", and is able to successfully detonate the device and down yet another plane, don't go screaming that the TSA isn't doing enough to protect passengers that fly on a daily basis.

 

[stdreb27]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3331547
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/20#post_3331523
Yea, yea, every single time a controversial political issue gets discussed on this board, you throw your little "It's the Democrats/Liberals/Obama's/Anything Left fault" jab and insult. When someone confronts you about it, "It's a joke". You hate that side of the political party, I get it. Hopefully you'll see one day that it's not just that group that's screwing up this country. It's pretty much balanced on both sides of the fence.
Conservatives aren't the problem, it is republicans who take democrat ideas and massage them to make them palletable... And that I'm serious about.
You just like all the other rubes. You claim both sides are to blaim, yet every time you have an opinion you fall on a certain side... Then make up wild claims to support your conflicting statements.
What is a Rube? Is that some NeoCon slang term for a Liberal Lover? .gif" width="39" />
If you honestly think Conservative ideologies are the only way a country like this would survive, you live in a world of dillusion. I'm serious about that. There will always be a neccessity for Liberal views in a complex society like the one in the US. If it were up to the Conservatives, you'd want to live in this isolated world where you can do as you please, and circumvent any laws or tenets set forth by the majority of the individuals who live around you. Doesn't work that way. Having both Liberal and Conservative ideologies keeps a balance in the power. Sorry to burst your bubble, but unlike you, I don't always sit on one side of the fence. I'm actually open-minded to ideas from either side. Unfortunately, you don't see it that way. People with your mindset are what is screwing this country today. I'm sick of the Us vs. Them mentality the Conservatives spew on a daily basis. If you've never read the first line of the Declaration Of Independence, it says WE THE PEOPLE, not We The Conservatives or We The Liberals.
lol, what I can't make fun of your absolutely rediculous views you've expressed, basically accusing Bush of starting a war for his own personal gain... That was my intent. You say I go hide? But you see I'm not so much of an extreemist where I find that plausible.
So the Bush family has never had any association with Halliburton? One of the companies whose received the most defense contracts ever awarded in both Gulf Wars? Did that influence Dubya to start the war against Iraq? No, of course not. His ratings among the American people were dropping like a rock, and the economy was heading into a major recession. So in his mindset, War = Economic Growth. Worked in WW2 didn't it? However, that war has had an opposite effect on our economy. He was also pressured by the American people to get vengence against Al-Qeada for 9/11. He went to Congress spinning his tale we need to invade Iraq and rid Sadaam (since he was supposedly tied to Al-Qaeda, giving them refuge and financial support), and disarm them of the elusive WMD's he SUPPOSEDLY had in his possession. While we're over there, we'll take out Bin Laden at the same time. Congress took the bait, and went right along with his charade. As it ended up, all we did is got Sadaam hung, found no indication there were any WMD's, spent over a Trillon dollars rebuilding and helping a country that could care less about us, and to this day haven't put a dent into Bin Laden's cause or caught the guy.
If you're not an extremist, then why do you constantly blame every single thing that has gone wrong in the country for the past decade, solely on the Democrats and Liberals? If you honestly believe that, then you are "hiding" under the cloak of the NeoCons.
I can make a much more plausible argument for the statement I made than this Bush had friends working for halliburton, he musta started a war for them... Think about how crazy what you're saying is, Bush to help his friends make a few bucks, sent thousands of our soldiers to their death...
And you believe it? Hell even if I believed what I said, you're even further out there...
BTW that is a misuse of the term neocon...

 

[stdreb27]

On a serious note, if everyone with a prosthetic is going to be subject to a more thorough search, and people with prosthetics are disabled, how is that not discrimination against the disabled?

We can't check all the arabs, but we can check all the disabled... How does that work?

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3332044
On a serious note, if everyone with a prosthetic is going to be subject to a more thorough search, and people with prosthetics are disabled, how is that not discrimination against the disabled?

We can't check all the arabs, but we can check all the disabled... How does that work?
The issue with these lsamic women wearing these hijabs has somewhat been blown out of proportion. The frackus started when CAIR [the Council on American-Islamic Relations] recommended that "Muslim women wearing hijabs refuse to go through the full body pat downs before boarding planes". The media asked Napolitano on a clarification as to whether she would require TSA agents to allow the "free pass" on the pat downs, and she waffled with a typical political response of, "there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue." She continues - "
“Look, we have, like I said before, we are doing what we need to do to protect the traveling public and adjustments will be made where they need to be made,” Napolitano responded. “With respect to that particular issue, I think there will be more to come. But, again, the goal here, you know, we’re not doing this just to do it. We’re doing it because we need to keep powders and gels and liquids off of planes that are unauthorized just as we need to keep metals off of planes. This is being done in recognizing that we all have a collective role in our security and we all know and can recognize that there are threats and risks that have been articulated by those who seek to harm the United States, particularly in the aviation environment," said Napolitano. "And, so, you know, what we are doing is designed to really be risk based, to be intelligence based, to be layered like I said, when you get to the airport at that screening center, that’s really--these TSO’s [Transportation Security Officers] are really the last line of protection we have for the aircraft and that’s the way we’re going to evaluate things.”
Based on this response, I don't see where any edict or exception is being made for these Islamic women wearing this garb. I can't find any exact reports where there is evidence that any woman dressed like this got an exemption from getting screened. Based on what I've read, the TSA didn't come up with this idea. It was this useless Council that has no say in the TSA laws or procedures that "suggested" the women get excluded.

 

[reefraff]

The controversy for most people I talked too was the administration even had to think about the response before answering hell no. Seems to fit a pattern of this president granting preferred status to anyone with minority status no matter how dispicable their actions.

 

[aquaknight]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800/40#post_3332047
Based on this response, I don't see where any edict or exception is being made for these Islamic women wearing this garb. I can't find any exact reports where there is evidence that any woman dressed like this got an exemption from getting screened. Based on what I've read, the TSA didn't come up with this idea. It was this useless Council that has no say in the TSA laws or procedures that "suggested" the women get excluded.
Two things probably set this off. First is when CAIR posted their advisory demanding that they should be exempt from scanners/pat downs.
http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=26681&&name=n&&currPage=1
Second is likely blow back from when a group of veiled Muslim women breezed right through security, without as much as been correctly identified.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-3frv4tnx8
People want answers. "We'll look into it" is not an answer. The thing like reef pointed out, what is there to think about? And what adjustments can there even be made? As it is now, everyone who's selected must go thru either the scan or get patted-down. What 'adjustments' can they make (Napolitano's own words) that wouldn't cater to this specific group?