Dwarf Seahorses

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jdragunas

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no, seahorses should be housed in a species-only tank, as they're not very fast, so competing for food with a clown can lead to starvation.
They need a tank that's 2-2.5x's taller than they are (tail fully extended). Hex tanks are good for this. you need proper filtration, so that there's no fluctuations in the water parameters... that's about it.
 

celacanthr

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sorry, I have to disagree, really, only 2 pairs should be kept in a 30 gallon tank.
also, you can have tankmates.
 
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jdragunas

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then seahorse.org is incorrect? I very much disagree. They can have bottom-dwelling tankmates, i'll agree to that, but not a clownfish, or any sort of agressive eater. I quote "seahorses are not strong swimmers, are not competitive feeders, and have very few defenses against aggression". Seahorses aren't fast enough to compete for food with a fast-moving fish.
I also quote:
" Also listed is the recommended minimum tank size for two pairs of adult seahorses of each species, as well as the 'additional' space required by each additional pair. These are guidelines. Several people keep seahorses successfully in much smaller tanks, but we do not recommend this.
1) Tropical species - kept at 74-78 degrees F (24-26 degrees C)
zosterae, 1 pair/1.5 gallons (6 liters) - recommended 5 gallons (20 liters)
kuda, 1 pair/8 gallons (30 liters)- minimum size 15 gallons (60 liters)
barbouri, 1 pair/8 gallons (30 liters)- minimum size 15 gallons (60 liters)
erectus, 1 pair/8 gallons (30 liters)- minimum size 15 gallons (60 liters)
reidi 1 pair/8 gallons (30 liters)- minimum size 15 gallons (60 liters)
fuscus 1 pair per 5 gallons (20 liters)- minimum size 10 gallons (40 liters)
comes 1 pair/8 gallons (30 liters)- minimum size 15 gallons (60 liters)
procerus 1 pair/8 gallons (30 liters) - minimum size 15 gallons (60 liters)"
Seahorses actually prefer to be in large groups in small spots... it's how they are in the wild. Now remember, this is assuming you have the proper filtration to have that many fish in a 30g tank.
 

smoney

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My next paycheck is going to pay for a tall tank. I think I am going to go with the seahorses. I hink I am going to put like substrate and like a sea fan, shaving brush, and some long weedy algae, either the caulpera or some kelp on rock or something like that. and Decisions decisions.... :thinking: Which one to get, hmmm.... :thinking:
 
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jdragunas

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i suggest erectus. They're the hardiest, and take more readily to frozen mysis.
Also, go to seahorse.org, and read as much as you can about everything.
Some pointers: Seahorses have to be fed 2x's a day, so make sure you can do that. They also have to have perfect water parameters, and the water parameters and temp can't fluctuate very much. If they do, it'll stress the seahorses out. You need to have a number of fake corals, or some sort of branching rock for the seahorses to latch onto (called hitching posts). You can't have too much water flow, or the seahorses will go whirling around the tank.
Make sure you read the "care sheet" section of seahorse.org. It tells you about everything you need to know. Make sure you really read carefully over the "choosing a seahorse" section, because it tells you what to look out for when picking out a seahorse.
 

celacanthr

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im sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you can keep clowns, but yes you can keep things such as bangaii cardinals.
Oh, and according to the chart that is still 2 pairs.
 

sleasia

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Thanks for all the good info. I am also planning to starta a seahorse tank, species only, no tankmates. Right now I am in the amassing info stage. I read all of killafins stuff on seahorses. I will check out seahorse.org. Besides having brine shrimp tanks, it sounds like it is useful to have a refugium for encouraging copepods. Is that so? I have copepods in my main tank already. Maybe I can get some to proliferate in the new seahorse tank. Also aren't they (seahorses) very susceptible to diseases. Should I have a uv running on their tank?
 

celacanthr

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umm, what type of hourse?
depending on the species, I could answer your questions
if you quarintine everything properly, then a uv isn't needed all the time, but always an excellent thing to have around
 

dave_15

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seahorses are known to get the "clownfish desease" when they are housed with clowns...for pot bellied i wouldnt keep a pair in anything smaller than a 20 gallon...kudas, erectus 1 pair for about 10 gallons....reidi around 15-20 for a pair.....some people say more some less but thats what i think should be the minimum.
Dwarf seahorses are very small and its true that you can have alot of these in smaller tanks (like 5-10 gallon...maybe 2 but the stability would be a challenge). I would recommend a great book by Alisa Wagner Abbott "Dwarf seahorses in the aquarium" ...its a great book...she has also written some articles on dwarf seahorse care (i know there is one under library at seahorse.org- great resource)
Dave_15
 

smoney

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I can't figure out what I want I have narrowed it down to Kudas and Erectus, I am leaning towards Kudas. In probably a 20 or 29 gallon hex
 

darth tang

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I have a pair of Reidi in a 55 gallon, not erectus as Cel has stated. But I can't expect you to remember everything.

First, which ever species you get, make sure they are CB. These will (or should) be on frozen mysis shrimp already. Everyone says not to feed brine...but I have found the occassional feeding of LIVE brine shrimp is ok.....plus it is fun to watch the seahorses chase and hunt them. Be sure to soak what ever food you feed in selcon for 24 hours before feeding...it will inhance their immune system and over all health.
Everyone says the seahorses can't compete for food with other fish.......I tend to disagree from experience. The captive bred horses are more likely to chase their food aggressively than the wild caught. The wild one's are timid where as the captive bred ones are unaware of the oceanic dangers posed to them, therefore they are more "reckless". Having said that, there is ONE clownfish you could keep with them....I have done it as well as a friend of mine. The perc clown is your best and only option. Get a small one and add him LAST and you will be fine. You could have a few other "pretty" fish as well....my best suggestion is a firefish...
I would NOT use a ten gallon tank unless I was doing dwarves (zostrae. This is the only time I would recommend this to anyone....especially a beginner. I hate that list people keep pulling from the .org. People just pull that list without understanding the additionqal needs of horses and tell anyone here that "Sure seahorses can go in a ten gallon." Whjat is not included on that list is....the seahorse fuscus is very rare....so you buy your ten gallon tank, filtration, and sump and then can't find the species........what do you do with the tank? The other problem, is nitrates in a small tank....feeding twice a day, you WILL have nitrates begin to show up unless you have one good clean up crew.....a ten gallon isn't a sufficient size for the size clean up crew you would need to cover the left over food. I have a 55, I have two horses...I feed two cubes a day...I have minimum 25 n. snails, a choco starfish, four crabs, 3 cleaner clams and a mexican turbo snail.....If you place this clean up crew in a ten gallon tank you are fighting space. They may not add to your bio load...but it would be cramped. The addition of live rock and cleaner clams has kept my nitrates in check...but the sand bed depth needed for the clams and the amount of live rock I have (30 lbs) will not fit addequately in a ten gallon tank. after you add the sand, rock, lants, clean up crew...you will be lucky to have a 6 gallon tank. Many for get this. That is why I applaud Celcanthar every time she says, 29 gallon minimum. Because once you add the decorations, and rock and sand...you are down to 20 gallons roughly due to displacement. The larger the tank. the easier it is to maintain water parameters.
You can mix species.....but multiles of the same species is better.
I wouldn't use a UV......they tend to also kill the harmful bacteria as well as the good.
Seahorses also get different infections than fish...so you will need to read up on those at the .org. They have an extensive list.
 
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jdragunas

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Originally Posted by CELACANTHr
im sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you can keep clowns, but yes you can keep things such as bangaii cardinals.
Oh, and according to the chart that is still 2 pairs.
on the chart, it says "Also listed is the recommended minimum tank size for two pairs of adult seahorses of each species, as well as the 'additional' space required by each additional pair."
So that means you can have 2 pair in a 15 gallon, and then 1 pair per each add'l 8 gallons... in a 30 gallon tank, that's about 4 pairs...
 

darth tang

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What it doesn't tell you is height is the big factor.......you want twice the height minimum of the adult size......so most ten gallons wouldn't fit this profile.
 
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jdragunas

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correct, but i expressed above that it needs to be at least 2-2.5x's taller than the uncurled horse. The website does say that, but in another section...
 

darth tang

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You and I know this...not directing this towards you, I know you know your horse info (even if we disagree here and there), I have just seen others post that same list here without the height restrictions or factoring in water displacement.....then the recipient thinks a standard ten gallon is fine.....
 

sleasia

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Now this is sort of off the subject. But has anyone tried the "plenum" concept with a seahorse tank??? or with any tank? I've been dieing to try it. I'm thinking of doing it on the new tank to see if it works prior to adding seahorses. I figure I could cycle with cocktail shrimp then put one or two of my chromis's in for a month or so and see if the nitrates are controlled by the plenum and if anything goes wrong just put my chromis's back into my main tank.?
 
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jdragunas

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i don't know what the 'plenum' concept is... if it's just what you described, no i didn't do that...
 

celacanthr

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umm...ok, i agree that that is what the list says, but if you do a search on that site, "how many", and click search titles only, and change too "from the beginning", you will find that they never mention 8 seahorses, or 6 seahorses wouild be ok in a 30, but they say that 4 are ok in a 30.
I am sorry to argue, but I enjoy it too much!!

If you are talking bout, what I think you are, then the BIG drawback of a plenum, is that it deplets the oxygen in the tank.
oh and j, do you have a screenname on that site?
oh, and darth, if you go look at your tank, you will find that I am right about the erectus, [EGO]I am always right![/EGO]
LOL JK
 
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jdragunas

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i like arguing too. I agree that you SHOULD only house 6 horses in a 30 gallon... i have 6 in my 35... they're doing great!
 
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