End of our Hobby - **** you US Gov

95harley

95harley

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So I'm cooking on the grill tonight excited about my DME that is coming in the AM when on the nightly news I see that our US congress is considering a ban on all Non-Native species and I watched in horror as they bagged & killed dozens of Volitan Lionfish in the Atlantic.
1. I Can NEVER own an Asian Super Red Arowana
2. They have outlawed the fish that I raised through College - Snakehead
3. Now They are screwing with my SW baby - Lionfish
When will it end?
 
m0nk

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The lionfish in the Atlantic don't belong there, they never did, them being there won't have any positive impact on the hobby. In fact, if they don't kill or collect these fish it could tip the balance in a delicate ecosystem. Now that you're a hobbyist you could have a positive impact by helping make things like this known, so that irresponsible hobbyists and/or distributors stop releasing non-native fish into the oceans where they don't belong. But, the key is knowledge. Make sure you research things like this before getting mad, because you're arguing for the wrong side here.
 
digitydash

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Especially talking about those snakehead.Those thing gets huge and are decimating the fish populations up north.I think they will have trouble in the south with alligators but up north their is no major preditors in the waters.
 
miaheatlvr

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Originally Posted by digitydash
http:///forum/post/2669200
Especially talking about those snakehead.Those thing gets huge and are decimating the fish populations up north.I think they will have trouble in the south with alligators but up north their is no major preditors in the waters.
There are confirmed sightings or PACU and maybe Pirahna here in the canals of Miami, Peacock bass, Boas and Giant Pythons. ALL NOT INDIGENOUS and living here today here in DADE COUNTY...
 
95harley

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So we should kill them all and outlaw people to keep them?
Agreed with non-native species with no known predators and a balance, but simply killing them in mass numbers for no other reason is simply not ethical. Has to be better ways.
So what about Asian Arowana's..they raise them on farms and you can buy them in every other country EXCEPT the US...what is that. Would we be harming the farm raised population to make them legal in the US? I mean they are in every other store not 8hrs away..is this logical?
Sorry guys I know it's a problem but when I see one of my favorite fish being killed in mass numbers by simply being caught and thrown in a bag to die pissed me off, there has to be a better way. Bring the Adults captured in the Atlantic to the trade and stop cathing juvi's in the pacific? I don't know.
Just venting in general....
 
95harley

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Originally Posted by digitydash
http:///forum/post/2669200
Especially talking about those snakehead.Those thing gets huge and are decimating the fish populations up north.I think they will have trouble in the south with alligators but up north their is no major preditors in the waters.
I live here in MD where they poisoned an ENTIRE pond, killing EVEYTHING! Because these crazy people were saying they could walk on land between pond and rivers, etc... They can breath air but walk on land...come on...Stupid people believe lots of impossible facts and pass loaws before they even understand out of simple fear.
 
m0nk

m0nk

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Originally Posted by 95Harley
http:///forum/post/2669261
So we should kill them all and outlaw people to keep them?
Agreed with non-native species with no known predators and a balance, but simply killing them in mass numbers for no other reason is simply not ethical. Has to be better ways.
There is actually another thread where this debate is ongoing. Of course, there are pros and cons on both sides of it, but we can't really say which way is right. The thing is something needs to be done, and quick, so the debate is over in the eyes of the government and it's being taken care of. Hopefully in the end it will be effective and we can move on to the next crisis.
 
pontius

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bottom line is that people need to be responsible. and there are too many irresponsible people in this country. you dump an invasive, non-native animal where it doesn't belong and it can destroy a whole ecosystem.
 
xtreeme

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No ocean near me, why limit what I can get. Without saltwater they cant live! Middle states and where I am in pa should be able to keep fish.
I see the next part- trade fish illegal.
 
95harley

95harley

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Originally Posted by xtreeme
http:///forum/post/2669291
No ocean near me, why limit what I can get. Without saltwater they cant live! Middle states and where I am in pa should be able to keep fish.
I see the next part- trade fish illegal.
Hey sorry bro, a public aquarium in the Bahama's was hit by a Hurricane and let some go by accident. So now you can't have any....enjoy your Largemouth Bass collection cause that's all you can have now.
I know this is way overblown but sometimes I feel that the laws in this country are too. I mean do we really need to strap our kids in like were launching them into space? Do I not have to option of wearing a helmet or not on a motorcycle and putting my life at risk? I mean it's my life right? Seabelt law, bicycle Helmet law? WTF, where does it stop.
I grew up without a child seat, bicycle helmet, and OMG 2 people could ride on a 4 wheeler at once...And we lived? Must be a floke!! The law passers are WAY out of control these days. Go get a job and stop pushing your wants on me.

OK, I'm done. sorry guys...in rare form tonight.
 
digitydash

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Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2669233
There are confirmed sightings or PACU and maybe Pirahna here in the canals of Miami, Peacock bass, Boas and Giant Pythons. ALL NOT INDIGENOUS and living here today here in DADE COUNTY...
Peacock bass where stocked up here on purpuse I thought.They are in the middle of Homestead race way and their is no canal conected to it.Their is alot in Ft.Lauderdale.I never heard about pirahnas but I knew their is a Boa problem.
 
nano reefer

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i think the US gov should be more concerned with how they get into the country and ensure they arent released.
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by digitydash
http:///forum/post/2669463
I didn't say they couldn't live here.I was just saying they would have preditor here unlike other state up north.
Sorry if I seemed to mean it like that. I was just implying there's another spieces on attack there in Florida. Very true that at least here there are some natural predators for snakeheads.
Don't forget about the booming populations of Iguanas too
You can't take an off-ramp down south and not see tons of them around the ponds.
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by 95Harley
http:///forum/post/2669311
Hey sorry bro, a public aquarium in the Bahama's was hit by a Hurricane and let some go by accident. So now you can't have any....enjoy your Largemouth Bass collection cause that's all you can have now.
I know this is way overblown but sometimes I feel that the laws in this country are too. I mean do we really need to strap our kids in like were launching them into space? Do I not have to option of wearing a helmet or not on a motorcycle and putting my life at risk? I mean it's my life right? Seabelt law, bicycle Helmet law? WTF, where does it stop.
I grew up without a child seat, bicycle helmet, and OMG 2 people could ride on a 4 wheeler at once...And we lived? Must be a floke!! The law passers are WAY out of control these days. Go get a job and stop pushing your wants on me.

OK, I'm done. sorry guys...in rare form tonight.

Sooooo some Bengal Tigers get out of the zoo in your town. Should we let them prosper and multiply??? Maybe they won't eat YOUR dog or KIDS.
We should let them roam free and be happy.. perhaps you can outrun them on your 4 wheeler.

Yes, I agree it's a different scenario...but still the same. Living here in Florida, I don't want Arrowanas...from South America...invading our ponds and rivers. And I darn sure don't want Lionfish devastating our SW species.
 
reefkprz

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2669882
I'm all for 100% accountability for every non-native species shipped into our country...
me too, its not hard to get permits for exotic species and it would limit the amount of lazy people that would just go release them into the wild when they got "bored" with owning them. its too easy for ANYONE to go out and get a potentially invasive animal. half the people that get these creatures dont even have the proper knowledge to care for them. not just fish but reptiles and other animals, even if they cant survive a local "winter" they can wreak havock for an entire warm season. liscensing imports and collections would be a good thing. personally I dont want to go fishing for goldfish because some twit ruined my favorite bass hole by releasing the ever destructive koi into a lake.
 
digitydash

digitydash

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2669545
Sorry if I seemed to mean it like that. I was just implying there's another spieces on attack there in Florida. Very true that at least here there are some natural predators for snakeheads.
Don't forget about the booming populations of Iguanas too
You can't take an off-ramp down south and not see tons of them around the ponds.
Yea their is alot by me to a couple 4ft ones.
 
cowfishrule

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drain the ocean. that will get rid of the lionfish in the AO problem, and all of your South Florida critter problems.
 
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