Enough already! No more ethnic titles!

wfd1008

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Originally Posted by Chano
This is the problem, why does a higher level of chemicals in ones skin make them so different? With the exception of melinin levels biologically we are the same.

This is so true. Race has no genetic basis. There's no one trait, gene, or characteristic that distinguishes all members form one race or another. 2 Koreans are likely to be as genetically different as a Korean and an Italian.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by wfd1008
This is so true. Race has no genetic basis. There's no one trait, gene, or characteristic that distinguishes all members form one race or another. 2 Koreans are likely to be as genetically different as a Korean and an Italian.
That is actually not true. There are diseases that affect certain races at a much higher frequency than others, Sickle Cell Anemia Has a much higher rate among blacks and there is another that strikes europeans who are Jewish decendants. I am sure there are others but those are the two I happen to know of. The Sickle Cell deal is really interesting. Turns out people with that gene are not nearly as likely to get malaria as those without it. Malaria is a pretty big problem in Africa even today. Kinda a built in defense system gone wrong.
 

wfd1008

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Originally Posted by reefraff
That is actually not true. There are diseases that affect certain races at a much higher frequency than others, Sickle Cell Anemia Has a much higher rate among blacks and there is another that strikes europeans who are Jewish decendants. I am sure there are others but those are the two I happen to know of. The Sickle Cell deal is really interesting. Turns out people with that gene are not nearly as likely to get malaria as those without it. Malaria is a pretty big problem in Africa even today. Kinda a built in defense system gone wrong.
even though they may be at a higher risk of being born with it, it can afflect other people form different regions, not just blacks.
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by wfd1008
Wow! i believe that there's a white sheet hanging in some people's closet somewhere. These ethnic titles came from race and let's not forget who came up with the idea of "race"--western europeans ( I would say "whitey", but i'm afraid that would offend someone somewhere). An idea to account for differences among people and (PAY ATTENTION
) to justify colonization, conquest, enslavement, and form a social hierarchy. The first people to come up with racial class were a German (Johann Friedrich Blumenbach) and a Swiss (Carolus Linnaeus). So the beginning of these ethnic titles came from a bunch of caucasians.
Let's look at early America. The concept of race helped explain why some people could be denied rights to freedoms that others took for granted, justified extermination of Native Americans, exclusion of Asian immigrants, and taking of Mexican lands. These ideas and practices were institutionalized within early government, laws, and society. So when i read about people being tired of seeing African-American, Mexican-American, or what ever else, just remember who planted the seed for these titles to take root.
Why not get rid of the label of "American" or "Mexican" or "Korean" and just be called "Human", because there is only one race-the human race.
As for me, when asked where i'm from, i take much pride saying "I'm a Kentuckian, and that's all you need to know".
the implication that people are associating themselves with the KKK is more offending to me than you calling me whitey. in no way shape or form am i racist--i deal with everyone i know or don't know with the utmost respect until they lose it, regardless of whether or not they have different colored skin, or breasts, or anything.
 

wfd1008

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Originally Posted by renogaw
the implication that people are associating themselves with the KKK is more offending to me than you calling me whitey. in no way shape or form am i racist--i deal with everyone i know or don't know with the utmost respect until they lose it, regardless of whether or not they have different colored skin, or breasts, or anything.
but it's ok for you to make statements that might be offensive to some?
 

renogaw

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what have i said that is offensive?
how is bringing light to the double standards of wanting equality but not willing to give it offensive? because it's true?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by wfd1008
even though they may be at a higher risk of being born with it, it can afflect other people form different regions, not just blacks.
Zactly, They are genetically predispositioned to having the disease.
 

chano

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So let me get this straight. your saying because they are more prone to a specific disease that makes them an entirely seprate set of humans? Children and the elderly are far more likely to get lead poisoning does that mean children and the elderly should also be a seperate race? As a 20 year old male could come in contact with the same things and have no health issues because of it.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by wfd1008
.... The first people to come up with racial class were a German (Johann Friedrich Blumenbach) and a Swiss (Carolus Linnaeus)....
Racial distinctions go back far, far longer than that. Look at early Jewish history vs the Samaritans for example. To try to blame Europeans for an attitude that existed before their time is unfair.
 

stdreb27

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I don't grasp how pretending race not existing and equality would be all that different.
After all "not be judged by the color of the skin" would most effectively solved by not recognising the color between people. And allowing that to influence a decision or different treatment. I'm not saying lose culture. But if a person would want true equality then color would be a nonfactor thus pretending race didn't exist.
If a white person dropped the N word, he would instantly be "judged by the color of his skin" and since he was white it was inappropriate. If a black guy says it, nothing happens. I don't see how it is appropriate for our society to judge a person by the color of his skin.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Racial distinctions go back far, far longer than that. Look at early Jewish history vs the Samaritans for example. To try to blame Europeans for an attitude that existed before their time is unfair.
What about the caste system in india?
 

wfd1008

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Racial distinctions go back far, far longer than that. Look at early Jewish history vs the Samaritans for example. To try to blame Europeans for an attitude that existed before their time is unfair.
look it up! and the example you give is based on religious differances.
 

wfd1008

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
What about the caste system in india?
caste systems are not based on based on race, but rather social occupation, lineage,and social group.
 

wfd1008

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
I don't grasp how pretending race not existing and equality would be all that different.
After all "not be judged by the color of the skin" would most effectively solved by not recognising the color between people. And allowing that to influence a decision or different treatment. I'm not saying lose culture. But if a person would want true equality then color would be a nonfactor thus pretending race didn't exist.
If a white person dropped the N word, he would instantly be "judged by the color of his skin" and since he was white it was inappropriate. If a black guy says it, nothing happens. I don't see how it is appropriate for our society to judge a person by the color of his skin.
you don't pretend that people are the same, but rather embrace the differences b/t you and learn about the other clutures. when you were a kid and out riding your bike and the suddenly the chain broke, well if you pretended that the chain wasn't broke, could you go any where? no you had to fix it or else you would just spin your legs and not go anywhere.
 

wfd1008

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Originally Posted by Chano
So let me get this straight. your saying because they are more prone to a specific disease that makes them an entirely seprate set of humans? Children and the elderly are far more likely to get lead poisoning does that mean children and the elderly should also be a seperate race? As a 20 year old male could come in contact with the same things and have no health issues because of it.
no, i'm not saying that they are different, i'm saying that it can affect anyone, from any walk of life, of any color. If both of your parents carry the gene, then they can pass it down to you. doesn't matter what "race" you are.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by wfd1008
look it up! and the example you give is based on religious differances.
This is only partially correct, the jews believed that they were the chosen of God. Even if a Gentile (samaritan) were to convert to Judeism or whatever you call it, they were not given the same privileges in the synagogues or in the culture at that time. So although some of it was religious even with acceptance into their religion they were still 2nd rate. So you sir, look it up...
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by wfd1008
you don't pretend that people are the same, but rather embrace the differences b/t you and learn about the other clutures. when you were a kid and out riding your bike and the suddenly the chain broke, well if you pretended that the chain wasn't broke, could you go any where? no you had to fix it or else you would just spin your legs and not go anywhere.
If a black person learns about the "white culture" I use that very loosely, then they are a sell out.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by wfd1008
look it up! and the example you give is based on religious differances.
Incorrect.
Samaritans were considered "half breeds" because they had intermarried with non-Jews in Canaan.
I stand by my original point; "Racism" existed long before there was any European Colonial powers.
 

wfd1008

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
This is only partially correct, the jews believed that they were the chosen of God. Even if a Gentile (samaritan) were to convert to Judeism or whatever you call it, they were not given the same privileges in the synagogues or in the culture at that time. So although some of it was religious even with acceptance into their religion they were still 2nd rate. So you sir, look it up...
first of all being jewish is not a different race, it is a different religion. second, i have looked it up and the info i posted is correct.
 
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