thanks alot guys these are all great pics keep em coming. and thanks yardrat if i need some help i will surely ask you. and whoever was saying something about asking people for a tiff or whatever, its ok i'm able to copy and paste and then downsize them. i printed out a test copy and it looks great. since everyone seems to be coming on this topic could any of you guys give me some ideas on a name. i've thought of a few: (don't laugh) southern reefers, reefaholics, and oh i can't remember the other two right now. i'll get back on the board again tonight. i gotta go back to work.