Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

snakeblitz33

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/60#post_3490485
Then why don't we have enough not to need clothes to stay warm or get sun burn?
Have you ever been to a nudist colony?
We don't need cloths. We wear cloths because we have been taught to be embarrassed about our bodies. You don't need shoes... your feet will callus. As for the sunburn thing.... have you ever seen a mammal purposefully stay in the sun all day long? No. Humans are the stupid ones because we "bathe in the sun" excessively - causing sunburns. Most mammals like to stay in the shade - even though they have fur/hair. Have you ever caught a coon in a trap and then set it in the sun? Yeah, heat stroke pretty quick. You do not HAVE to be in the sun. Besides, hair/fur is not a "sun blocker" anyways - that's not it's purpose. Most modern humans evolved in warmer climates anyways - and it's only now in our history that we have come to populate most of the entire Earth. Traditionally, even cavemen looked for more mild climates and followed animals wherever they roamed.
 
mantisman51

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/60#post_3490440
If you want a vivid example of evolution look no further then dog. Going from a wild wolf 200,000 years ago, to domesticated wolf taken in by man, to the now wildly varied breeds of dog we have today. Man, not nature was wholly responsible for the creation of "the dog". So, if man can do this in so little time, you think that mother nature can not?
And this is a great example of the only truly proven evolution:macro evolution. Be it wolf, St Bernard or Pomeranian, it is many variations of the same species. Anyway, I made my point. Lies and guesses are being taught as science, while any dissent is treated as unintelligent and "holding back humanity". I can give detailed information, but it'll become a thread bogged down in 3000 word posts that get passed over while people on either side look for what supports their position. All I wanted, and did, was demonstrate that evolution of the universe and species is a guessing game and that evolutionary scientists want their radical ideas to be accepted as law, when it isn't. And this is why Kansas, Louisiana and Florida took all the bad publicity and negative attacks by the education establishment and started teaching it isn't science, but rather scientific theory and no better(or worse) than any other-including Creationism.
 
bang guy

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"it isn't science, but rather scientific theory"
Are you attempting to demonstrate that scientific theory is not part of science?
 
beth

beth

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/60#post_3490463
Why would humans evolve so radically different. Need for clothing rather than developing fur, high state of emotion that dictates most of our actions rather than instinct ect?
Actually we had hair and evolved away from it. Mobility away from the jungles is likely the main reason for loosing hair. As we lost hair the need for alternative protection was pressing, so we used things to cover up.
High emotion is exclusive to humans? Have you ever watch those documentaries on chimps?? Chimps experience the whole range of emotions: motherly love, protectiveness of family members, companionship, possessiveness, jealousy, rage, even killing in an emotional rage, even grief. Why aren't they more evolved? Well they haven't needed to be. However, if we keep trying to make them more like us, eventually, that may happen.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/80#post_3490490
Have you ever been to a nudist colony?
We don't need cloths. We wear cloths because we have been taught to be embarrassed about our bodies. You don't need shoes... your feet will callus. As for the sunburn thing.... have you ever seen a mammal purposefully stay in the sun all day long? No. Humans are the stupid ones because we "bathe in the sun" excessively - causing sunburns. Most mammals like to stay in the shade - even though they have fur/hair. Have you ever caught a coon in a trap and then set it in the sun? Yeah, heat stroke pretty quick. You do not HAVE to be in the sun. Besides, hair/fur is not a "sun blocker" anyways - that's not it's purpose. Most modern humans evolved in warmer climates anyways - and it's only now in our history that we have come to populate most of the entire Earth. Traditionally, even cavemen looked for more mild climates and followed animals wherever they roamed.
As a matter of fact I have stopped on a trail overlooking a nudist colony LOL!
And yes, I have observed a great many mammals that remain in the sun for hours on end, even in summer time. And you are also incorrect about hair being a sun blocker. No anyone who's gotten skin cancer on the face? I know two and both were encouraged to grow beards and wear their hair long enough to cover their ears and neck. One of them was a serious redneck too but he did it because he was outdoors a lot. As for clothes even in summer climates it gets pretty cold in the winter months, I wouldn't want to be running around with nothing to wear in San Diego in January.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/80#post_3490499
Actually we had hair and evolved away from it. Mobility away from the jungles is likely the main reason for loosing hair. As we lost hair the need for alternative protection was pressing, so we used things to cover up.
High emotion is exclusive to humans? Have you ever watch those documentaries on chimps?? Chimps experience the whole range of emotions: motherly love, protectiveness of family members, companionship, possessiveness, jealousy, rage, even killing in an emotional rage, even grief. Why aren't they more evolved? Well they haven't needed to be. However, if we keep trying to make them more like us, eventually, that may happen.
I've seen them make a lot of claims but when it comes right down to it chimps still act on instinct. Thats why you can never truly tame them.
 
bang guy

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/80#post_3490503
As a matter of fact I have stopped on a trail overlooking a nudist colony LOL!
And yes, I have observed a great many mammals that remain in the sun for hours on end, even in summer time. And you are also incorrect about hair being a sun blocker. No anyone who's gotten skin cancer on the face? I know two and both were encouraged to grow beards and wear their hair long enough to cover their ears and neck. One of them was a serious redneck too but he did it because he was outdoors a lot. As for clothes even in summer climates it gets pretty cold in the winter months, I wouldn't want to be running around with nothing to wear in San Diego in January.
Who do you believe has a higher probability of bearing more offspring for you:
1. A woman completely covered in very thick fur.
2. A woman nearly devoid of hair.
 
darthtang aw

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Have you ever been to a nudist colony?
We don't need cloths. We wear cloths because we have been taught to be embarrassed about our bodies. You don't need shoes... your feet will callus. As for the sunburn thing.... have you ever seen a mammal purposefully stay in the sun all day long? No. Humans are the stupid ones because we "bathe in the sun" excessively - causing sunburns. Most mammals like to stay in the shade - even though they have fur/hair.  Have you ever caught a coon in a trap and then set it in the sun? Yeah, heat stroke pretty quick. You do not HAVE to be in the sun. Besides, hair/fur is not a "sun blocker" anyways - that's not it's purpose. Most modern humans evolved in warmer climates anyways - and it's only now in our history that we have come to populate most of the entire Earth. Traditionally, even cavemen looked for more mild climates and followed animals wherever they roamed.
Sorry you are wrong concerning the purpose of hair on mammals. Especially concerning canine relatives. I can explain further if truly interested.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/80#post_3490499
Actually we had hair and evolved away from it. Mobility away from the jungles is likely the main reason for loosing hair. As we lost hair the need for alternative protection was pressing, so we used things to cover up.
High emotion is exclusive to humans? Have you ever watch those documentaries on chimps?? Chimps experience the whole range of emotions: motherly love, protectiveness of family members, companionship, possessiveness, jealousy, rage, even killing in an emotional rage, even grief. Why aren't they more evolved? Well they haven't needed to be. However, if we keep trying to make them more like us, eventually, that may happen.
LOL...I had a very hairy uncle and my son, has hair on his ears and shoulders. Wolves, Big cats, dolphins, whales and apes ...the list is endless, have full range of emotions. They have a language, and a social life. That includes the domestic dog and cats. Even though they are emonional, they have not developed religion.
Some creatues cover up to protect soft exposed flesh, such as the hermit crab and some cover up to hide, such as the decorator crab. Humans are the only creatures on Earth, who think they are naked, and cover up for modesty.
People have dressed up chimps for ages, and they never adapt to thinking they NEED to be clothed. Folks have been dressing up their dogs and frankly, I think the dogs hate it....but they don't think they NEED to be clothed either. So it isn't a taught thing. Lots of people would prefer to be naked, and are more comfortable, (nudists) but they purposely override the modesty issue in their minds, and work hard to justify going naked.
God gave the humans the gift of knowing there was a God, and he warned them about the tree of good and evil knowledge, after eating the forbidden fruit...their eyes were opened and they knew that they were naked and took fig leaves and covered themselves.
 
geridoc

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/80#post_3490543
LOL...I had a very hairy uncle and my son, has hair on his ears and shoulders. Wolves, Big cats, dolphins, whales and apes ...the list is endless, have full range of emotions. They have a language, and a social life. That includes the domestic dog and cats. Even though they are emonional, they have not developed religion.
Some creatues cover up to protect soft exposed flesh, such as the hermit crab and some cover up to hide, such as the decorator crab. Humans are the only creatures on Earth, who think they are naked, and cover up for modesty.
People have dressed up chimps for ages, and they never adapt to thinking they NEED to be clothed. Folks have been dressing up their dogs and frankly, I think the dogs hate it....but they don't think they NEED to be clothed either. So it isn't a taught thing. Lots of people would prefer to be naked, and are more comfortable, (nudists) but they purposely override the modesty issue in their minds, and work hard to justify going naked.
God gave the humans the gift of knowing there was a God, and he warned them about the tree of good and evil knowledge, after eating the forbidden fruit...their eyes were opened and they knew that they were naked and took fig leaves and covered themselves. They also were pretty cold after the sun went down.
Many evolutionary biologists are considering the explanation for the loss of hair in human beings relates to heat loss. Human beings, when they run, produce a great deal of body heat (as do all animals). Human beings actually have an unusually high level of exercise tolerance, and the thinking that this is because, in the absence of fur, we are able to get rid of excess heat more readily. There are groups in Africa that still hunt by chasing a prey animal at a run for 24 hours or more until the target falls down from heat exhaustion, while the chasing humans are radiating off their heat. Of course, this doesn't apply to modern day couch potatoes, but our distant ancestors didn't have television, or couches for that matter.
Another explanation for the loss of hair is that it was preceded by the loss of the gene that permits us to completely synthesize vitamin D. Instead, we have to initiate synthesis of this essential vitamin by absorbing UV light energy from the sun, and producing a starter molecule in the skin. This requires sufficient skin be exposed to light - hence the loss of fur. Note that in extremely sunny regions skin tones tend to be darker to somewhat reduce the overload of UV energy, whereas in northern Europe, where sun intensity is lower, selection favored light skinned individuals (the so-called Nordic type).
Which is right (or are there other right answers to our hairlessness)? Probably all are right, and there is no single advantage to loss of hair, but the combination of advantages favored individuals who had less fur.
 
geridoc

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/80#post_3490543
LOL...I had a very hairy uncle and my son, has hair on his ears and shoulders. Wolves, Big cats, dolphins, whales and apes ...the list is endless, have full range of emotions. They have a language, and a social life. That includes the domestic dog and cats. Even though they are emonional, they have not developed religion. Actually, there is an entire subdiscipline of evolutionary psychology that is debating why humans evolved religion. There may be distinct survival advantages to religion (formation of stable societies, for example), but there is no answer. It is one of the most interesting questions in evolution today.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/80#post_3490562LOL...I had a very hairy uncle and my son, has hair on his ears and shoulders. Wolves, Big cats, dolphins, whales and apes ...the list is endless, have full range of emotions. They have a language, and a social life. That includes the domestic dog and cats. Even though they are emonional, they have not developed religion. Actually, there is an entire subdiscipline of evolutionary psychology that is debating why humans evolved religion. There may be distinct survival advantages to religion (formation of stable societies, for example), but there is no answer. It is one of the most interesting questions in evolution today.
Well, being religious...LOL, I have my answer.
The creatures such as Apes, wolves, lions, dolphins and whales all have the formation of a stable society among themselves. Therefore religion is not needed to form a stable society. Nor does religion benifit a stable society, since more wars, and social breakdowns were and are caused by religion....so that tosses out the concept of survival advantages.
It all only makes sense from a religious stand point
 
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/80#post_3490570
Well, being religious...LOL, I have my answer.
The creatures such as Apes, wolves, lions, dolphins and whales all have the formation of a stable society among themselves. Therefore religion is not needed to form a stable society. Nor does religion benifit a stable society, since more wars, and social breakdowns were and are caused by religion....so that tosses out the concept of survival advantages.
It all only makes sense from a religious stand point
Your religious but just claimed that religion has no benefit to a stable society?
 
snakeblitz33

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Religion does have it's benefits - it brings a community together through a shared belief, it unites a community against those that don't share their beliefs, it gives people morals to follow through fear of their eternal well being, and it gives hope, faith and a sense of purpose to the people who are looking for answers to questions that they, through ignorance of science and common sense, can not explain themselves.
I was reluctant to type this statement because I know I will probably get some backfire from it, but this is what I believe. I have so many problems with the Americanized version of Christianity...
But this is an Evolution Vs. Intelligent Design thread, not a religious one only, so I won't go in to that.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/80#post_3490577
Religion does have it's benefits - it brings a community together through a shared belief, it unites a community against those that don't share their beliefs, it gives people morals to follow through fear of their eternal well being, and it gives hope, faith and a sense of purpose to the people who are looking for answers to questions that they, through ignorance of science and common sense, can not explain themselves.
I was reluctant to type this statement because I know I will probably get some backfire from it, but this is what I believe. I have so many problems with the Americanized version of Christianity...
But this is an Evolution Vs. Intelligent Design thread, not a religious one only, so I won't go in to that.
Seth, DragonZim....
You both misunderstood my post...I wasn't saying religion has no benifits. I said that concerning the theory of evelution the fact that humans think they are naked, and the concept that there is a God is unique.
It did not develope because of some need to have a stable society, because you can have a stable society without religion. You don't need religion to survive because creatures of other social groups have survived without religion. The hunger to know God, the sense of feeling naked only makes sense if you believe in the scriptures.
Evolution can't explain it, the reason why just isn't there. The Bible however, does explain it.
 
bang guy

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It did not develope because of some need to have a stable society
I also believe this to be true. History has indicated that religion causes extra conflict in my opinion.
 
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