Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

[darthtang aw]

I'm all ears!
A canines hair folic is not connected to the skin as a human's is. It is actually connected to muscle. This way it can be moved (raised or lowered) as temperatures dictate (also when muscles tense up for battle showing they are ready). They actually lift their hair to assist in cooling. However the hair is needed as protection from the sun. If you noticed, the under side of the dog is not as thick with hair as those areas regularly exposed to the sun. the reason for this is the ground will transfer coolness directly towards their body when laying down. Also it is a myth that shaving a dog will keep them cool, in fact it can do the opposite. Dogs do not sweat, therefore any breeze that would reach their skin has no added cooling effect. They will pant the same with or without their fur.
there are two types of hair, fur and hair. Double coated or single coated basically. The double coated breeds are more akin to wolves. This second coat is the coat that assists and protects during winter. if you notice this fur is shed the most before it gets hot, allowing the dog to release some of it's "jacket". But they will retain their top coat hair as protection from the sun. Without this top coat a dog would acquire sun burn very quickly if an outdoor dog, as well as expose their skin to the elements and toxicity of the planet. A wolf or similar creature is no different.
Think of a dogs fur as having the same usage as the robes worn in the middle east...protection from the sun. Even though it is hot, it protected the skin, which is naturally delicate. The hair also helps retain moisture. as each hair folical will secrete a substance known a sebum (oil).

 

[bang guy]

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A canines hair folic is not connected to the skin as a human's is.
Actually, they are connected the same way.

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/80#post_3490588
I also believe this to be true. History has indicated that religion causes extra conflict in my opinion.
It does because it's a passionate subject. The very core of our being has determined there is a God, and we strive to find him, to please him because he holds our life, and the life of all our loved ones in his hand.......so if what I believe to be true is truth, then everyone that has a different belief is wrong.
Wars and untold suffering has been attributed to the conflict....Yet mankind can't let it go, it fills some empty void that we have. Nothing in evolution created that hunger. Religion didn't evolve for a social or physical purpose, it fills an emonional void that only humans have.

 

[snakeblitz33]

I guess you havent skinned a dog like i have. A dogs hair is attached to skin, not muscle. Our hair can also raise. Goosebumps.
Your right, there are two types of hair. Solid hair and hollow hair. Some mammals have solid hair fiber, some have hollow fur.
Also, you stated it yourself, a dog has more hair or less depending on TEMPERATURE purposes , not as a sunblocker. If you want an example of an animal who produces their own sunblocker and antibiotic secretions, look no further than a hippopotamus. Hippos also have No Hair. Explain that.
That kind of thinking is like letting a blind man touch an elephants tail and he thinks its a snake because of the way it feels instead of looking at the big picture.

 

[bang guy]

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Religion didn't evolve for a social or physical purpose, it fills an emonional void that only humans have.
This makes perfect sense to me.

 

[bang guy]

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/100#post_3490598
I guess you havent skinned a dog like i have. A dogs hair is attached to skin, not muscle. Our hair can also raise. Goosebumps.
Your right, there are two types of hair. Solid hair and hollow hair. Some mammals have solid hair fiber, some have hollow fur.
Also, you stated it yourself, a dog has more hair or less depending on TEMPERATURE purposes , not as a sunblocker. If you want an example of an animal who produces their own sunblocker and antibiotic secretions, look no further than a hippopotamus. Hippos also have No Hair. Explain that.
That kind of thinking is like letting a blind man touch an elephants tail and he thinks its a snake because of the way it feels instead of looking at the big picture.
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought Hippos can die from sunburn. I had thought they needed to stay underwater during most of the day.

 

[snakeblitz33]

Only humans are smart enough creatures to have an imagination and to have the concept of life after death. That is why we have religion. I would argue that religion has actually divided us as a society and as a species rather than uniting us.

 

[snakeblitz33]

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought Hippos can die from sunburn.  I had thought they needed to stay underwater during most of the day.
Not from sunburn but maybe from heat stroke. Hippos are fascinating creatures. They make their own topical antibiotics!

 

[beth]

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/100#post_3490601
Only humans are smart enough creatures to have an imagination and to have the concept of life after death. That is why we have religion. I would argue that religion has actually divided us as a society and as a species rather than uniting us.
Religion has done both. Religion always has bound like-minded people together, which in history has proved advantageous to humanity.

 

[darthtang aw]

Actually, they are connected the same way.
Correct, both are connected to a muscle. However the muscle connected in a canine hair folicle is actually functional on a grander scale still. Evolution has eliminated the need for the human connective muscle to hair folicles to be no longer needed. I would guess it is due to the excretionary sweat gland...

 

[darthtang aw]

I guess you havent skinned a dog like i have. A dogs hair is attached to skin, not muscle. Our hair can also raise. Goosebumps.
Your right, there are two types of hair. Solid hair and hollow hair. Some mammals have solid hair fiber, some have hollow fur.
Also, you stated it yourself, a dog has more hair or less depending on TEMPERATURE purposes , not as a sunblocker. If you want an example of an animal who produces their own sunblocker and antibiotic secretions, look no further than a hippopotamus. Hippos also have No Hair. Explain that.
That kind of thinking is like letting a blind man touch an elephants tail and he thinks its a snake because of the way it feels instead of looking at the big picture.
leathery skin on those creatures. The chinese crested is a hairless dog, it also has leather skin. The Chihuahua originated in Mexico, yet still has hair. There is no need for hair if it isn't protection against the sun. As the winters in Mexico are nothing compared to the winters in Siberia that the Siberian Husky would experience.
if you take that skin, and look at it under a microscope at the root of the hair folicle, you would see a muscle attachment.

 

[darthtang aw]

Not from sunburn but maybe from heat stroke. Hippos are fascinating creatures. They make their own topical antibiotics!
Not exactly sunburn, but another side effect of the sun..........
Hippos stay in the water to
A. keep their body temperature down and
B. prevent thier skin from drying out.
Edit, water is not protection from sunburn. Humans have learned this...otherwise my kids would not need sunblock when spending all day in the ocean/pond/lake/pool.

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/100#post_3490601
Only humans are smart enough creatures to have an imagination and to have the concept of life after death. That is why we have religion. I would argue that religion has actually divided us as a society and as a species rather than uniting us.
Chimps have imagination or they would not have figured out how to make basic tools. They don't think they are naked, and they don't have religion.
The concept of life after death is born in religion...evolution did not create it, nor make it necessary.

 

[darthtang aw]

I guess you havent skinned a dog like i have. A dogs hair is attached to skin, not muscle. Our hair can also raise. Goosebumps.
Your right, there are two types of hair. Solid hair and hollow hair. Some mammals have solid hair fiber, some have hollow fur.
Also, you stated it yourself, a dog has more hair or less depending on TEMPERATURE purposes , not as a sunblocker. If you want an example of an animal who produces their own sunblocker and antibiotic secretions, look no further than a hippopotamus. Hippos also have No Hair. Explain that.
That kind of thinking is like letting a blind man touch an elephants tail and he thinks its a snake because of the way it feels instead of looking at the big picture.
i have an experiment for you to prove hair is a sunburn deterant in many mammals and protection from the sun.
Warning: Potential animal cruelty forth coming.
I assume you have a dog. leave him outside on a sunny day for 8 hours. The next day take the same dog, shave his coat off with a groomers 40 blade so that he is now hairless and leave him outside in the sun for 8 hours.
Then tell me the hair doesn't protect from sunburn.
Owning a grooming salon we stopped shaving dogs all the way down. If we need to due to excessive matting the customer must purchase a sun block from us to protect the dogs skin until the hair grows back in. We have seen two cases of dogs coming in with sunburn because the previous groomer shaved it to close.

 

[geridoc]

 Chimps have imagination or they would not have figured out how to make basic tools. They don't think they are naked, and they don't have religion.
The concept of life after death is born in religion...evolution did not create it, nor make it necessary.
Or religion is born in the concept of life after death. Either way, evolution creates nothing, it only selects for advantageous traits that have already appeared.

 

[snakeblitz33]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/100#post_3490610
i have an experiment for you to prove hair is a sunburn deterant in many mammals and protection from the sun.
Warning: Potential animal cruelty forth coming.
I assume you have a dog. leave him outside on a sunny day for 8 hours. The next day take the same dog, shave his coat off with a groomers 40 blade so that he is now hairless and leave him outside in the sun for 8 hours.
Then tell me the hair doesn't protect from sunburn.
Owning a grooming salon we stopped shaving dogs all the way down. If we need to due to excessive matting the customer must purchase a sun block from us to protect the dogs skin until the hair grows back in. We have seen two cases of dogs coming in with sunburn because the previous groomer shaved it to close.
The dog would be dead the first day...

 

[darthtang aw]

Really? Tell that to half the pet owners in New mexico that leave their pit bulls chained up outside next to a water bowl.
The Neighbors dog was alive enough to be able to jump in my yard and kill my puppy two months ago even though he was left outside 24/7 in over 100 degree heat.

 

[snakeblitz33]

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/100#post_3490612
The dog would be dead the first day...
You never said to give it water.

 

[bang guy]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/100#post_3490606
leathery skin on those creatures. The chinese crested is a hairless dog, it also has leather skin. The Chihuahua originated in Mexico, yet still has hair. There is no need for hair if it isn't protection against the sun. As the winters in Mexico are nothing compared to the winters in Siberia that the Siberian Husky would experience.
if you take that skin, and look at it under a microscope at the root of the hair folicle, you would see a muscle attachment.
Human hair folicles have the exact same muscle attachment. It's not as well developed but it's just as functional.

 

[darthtang aw]

Human hair folicles have the exact same muscle attachment. It's not as well developed but it's just as functional.
It is functional, just not as controlled...isn't that what I said?