explain this to me.

[darthtang aw]

Ok, several say raise taxes on the top 2 percent. Our government is hemoraging debt to the tune of 1.88 million dollars an hour.....this is what is borrowed..not spent. We spend more than this an hour. So how is raising taxes on the top two percent gonna equal 1.88 million dollars an hour?
So my question to those that want to raise taxes, what are you willing to cut?

 

[tangs rule]

Cut nothing! we need more taxpayer funded studies on toenail clippings can determine tobacco use better than hair folicle studies, and more shrimps on treadmills....The next big taxpayer funded expenditure will be why gay men seemingly have larger "units" than their hetero counterparts, or why 8th grade students who do not show up for class regulary get poorer grades than their counterparts that do show up. (oops, already funded, performed, and studied, with results)
These "studies" conducted by the THOUSANDS of "reputable" instutions that conduct them are so critical to the human species survival that whitout them, we shall surely wither and die on the vine within days or weeks of the funding being cuttoff is just typical far left wing BS.
It's about time some of the millions or US taxpayer funded teat sucklers on the left actually provide some actual research, rather than be granted US taxpayer $$ to come up with the most assinine studies in human history. Let them find a real job or F-them, let them starve! I do not care, as it's MY friggin money these perverse pedophile M-F rs pisssssss away like cheep beer.

 

[reefraff]

If I was in charge I'd cut an executive order decreasing all federal wages from president down by 10%, lower our UN dues to match that of the next highest payer, Half foreign aid, Close ALL industry specific tax loopholes, Cut all refundable tax credits by 10%, Means test Social Security and Medicare and create an extra 1% tax on all income in excess of a million a year. Say it's in the interest of national security so there is no debate, just do it.

 

[flower]

If I was in charge I would cut the trillions of dollars being spent to study Mars, and quit sticking US noses in everyone elses civil wars.

 

[beth]

I endorse the Mars studies, myself.

 

[mantisman51]

Cut every Federal program at 10% across the board. Then close the Federal Department of Education. The states have control over education anyways, the Feds simply spend money to tell the states what to do-it's senseless. End ALL foreign aid-including the $30 billion Bush II promised to fight AIDS in Africa. Pull our military from Europe, unless we are paid by them to keep our military there. End NATO. Stop the Federal Reserve loaning money to banks for .15% interest (that's 15/100 of a percent) and then allowing the Treasury to pay the banks 2-3% interest on that same money when they buy bonds. Close the ATF and give the responsibility to the states to regulate tobacco and alcohol and make the FBI take over enforcement of weapons and explosives. Sell all Federal land not already listed as wilderness or National Parks. Stop ALL immigration from everywhere, except for emergency political asylum. 2.5-3.5 million people a year are costing us billions and (according to USA Today just yesterday) only 3% offer education and experience deemed essential and skilled-the vast majority are unskilled and uneducated who are a drain rather than a benefit to the country.

 

[darthtang aw]

Cut every Federal program at 10% across the board. Then close the Federal Department of Education. The states have control over education anyways, the Feds simply spend money to tell the states what to do-it's senseless. End ALL foreign aid-including the $30 billion Bush II promised to fight AIDS in Africa. Pull our military from Europe, unless we are paid by them to keep our military there. End NATO. Stop the Federal Reserve loaning money to banks for .15% interest (that's 15/100 of a percent) and then allowing the Treasury to pay the banks 2-3% interest on that same money when they buy bonds. Close the ATF and give the responsibility to the states to regulate tobacco and alcohol and make the FBI take over enforcement of weapons and explosives. Sell all Federal land not already listed as wilderness or National Parks. Stop ALL immigration from everywhere, except for emergency political asylum. 2.5-3.5 million people a year are costing us billions and (according to USA Today just yesterday) only 3% offer education and experience deemed essential and skilled-the vast majority are unskilled and uneducated who are a drain rather than a benefit to the country.
Sorry, but yyou just turned your back on allies, harmed the world economy, inturn sending our recession into a depression,, .....
Darth (study the u.s. before ww2) Tang

 

[darthtang aw]

I endorse the Mars studies, myself.
So do I. NASA research has given us some of the greatest incite and technology of our time.
Darth (Tang) Tang

 

[mantisman51]

1) We are militarily and financially the entire worlds sugar-daddy. It has to end. Why do you think we are standing on the edge of insolvency? 2) The days of the industrious immigrant is long past. I saw a study, and will try to find it again, that showed that 80% of immigrants (legal and illegal) were getting government benefits. We are paying poor from around the world to come here so we can support them. 3) Screw Europe! Other than England and the East Europeans, they have become an impediment to us, not an ally. 4) Yeah, cutting the banks off welfare would just kill our economy-oh wait THEY did that already(kill our economy) and the middle class and poor had to bail them out so they could continue the financial r@pe. That Rockefeller Republican line has been proven false on every level.

 

[beth]

I endorse the Mars studies, myself.
So do I. NASA research has given us some of the greatest incite and technology of our time.
Darth (Tang) Tang
No kidding. The temperpedic bed!
I believe in exploration and colonization. As long as it is humans doing those things.

 

[reefraff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/386746/explain-this-to-me#post_3398730
No kidding. The temperpedic bed!
I believe in exploration and colonization. As long as it is humans doing those things.
Oh fine, As long as it's YOUR species it's fine.

 

[darthtang aw]

1) We are militarily and financially the entire worlds sugar-daddy. It has to end. Why do you think we are standing on the edge of insolvency? 2) The days of the industrious immigrant is long past. I saw a study, and will try to find it again, that showed that 80% of immigrants (legal and illegal) were getting government benefits. We are paying poor from around the world to come here so we can support them. 3) Screw Europe! Other than England and the East Europeans, they have become an impediment to us, not an ally. 4) Yeah, cutting the banks off welfare would just kill our economy-oh wait THEY did that already(kill our economy) and the middle class and poor had to bail them out so they could continue the financial r@pe. That Rockefeller Republican line has been proven false on every level.
Not saying your bank stance would kill the economy. I am saying your foreign policy would. Like it or not, our economy is part of the global economy and very dependent on it. Stocks would crash, trade would screech to a halt...and so on......

 

[reefraff]

If you are asking those at the top to hand over more of what they've earned I think it's logical to ask others who take what they haven't earned to make due with less and that includes foreign aid.

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/386746/explain-this-to-me#post_3398706
I endorse the Mars studies, myself.
I have to ask, why?....I am not against Mars studies, I agree that space should be checked out and all, but when you are talking about cutting social security to the old folks who have worked all their lives and are counting on that money to live on, and the handicapped that can't work and depend on SS to pay medical and rent..... It’s time to pull the plug on exploring, and take care of the home front. I think checking out Mars can be put on the back burner and we can get our finances in check.
I watched a news breif a few months ago, a 4 million dollar gizmo was being tested, it blew up and fell apart right there on camera. 4 million dollars! fast forward 6 months and the Obama says we need to cut some spending or go under....I'm sure that 4 million would have helped to adjust something in the budget, and that was just one space gizmo going to Mars.
The biggest drain that can be removed without really hurting anything or anyone is space exploration. The cost of war is another big money pit. I agree we have situations where the US should help but not civil war. When a country is fighting within itself over the way to run their own government, it's their country. We wouldn't want them coming to the US with an army because they want us to run our country their way, and they happen to like a dictatorship instead of a presidency.
People do get killed fighting their own government for change. Martin Luther King was killed because he wanted the Black community to be treated equal and be able to vote..... there is still plenty of bigotry when it comes to the haters of others, but the law at least now protects equality for all, that equality came with a price, and it wasn't all that long ago. I was a little girl when all that was happening.

 

[bang guy]

If I were king I would first raise corporate tax to a flat 40%.
Then I would reduce corporate tax by the percentage of US workers hired. If 10% of your workforce are US citizens then your tax is reduced to 36%. If 100% of your workforce is US citizens then the tax rate would be 0%.
I agree with halting the policy of world police. Combining forces with allies is fine to fight a clear and present danger but it certainly would not be through that collection of dictators they call the UN. And unstable oil is an inconvenience, not a clear & present danger.

 

[reefraff]

Damn, I like that tax plan. I see no reason why we should tax US based corporations and that would about do it.

 

[stdreb27]

What bugs me, is this isolationist vein on the right. Darth is right, all we have to do is look at post WWI history and see how it lead up to WWII. We can't just bury our heads in the sand and say you guys fight all you want just don't bug us. It didn't work before nukes. It especially isn't going to work now. Military power projection keeps peace. If they're busy trying to plant IED's in Iraq they're not doing it here...
But the solution is simple. Don't do anything, and use the ceiling as a defacto balanced budget ammendment. The the result is difficult. Cutting 1.6 trillion dollars out of a budget means ending a lot of crap, like studying gay dong size in relation to health. Or ending the billions we spend in influencing markets. Like green subsidies. But the reality is, unless politicians are willing to get government out of the retirement business, or dumping money into social redistribution programs. We're never going to see any major change. And all we have to do is look back at bush when he proposed privatizing 1% of social security...

 

[mantisman51]

I'm not an isolationist. I do believe that we must stop being everywhere trying to right every wrong. Unfortunately, until we get some other energy source, we are going to be in the Middle East. Until North Korea and China quit bullying their neighbors, we are going to have to be in Korea. However, there is no sense in having bases and troops in Germany when Germany can take care of itself. There is no need for us to pay for NATO when they don't support us in any meaningful way and try to drag us into inane conflicts like Libya and Serbia where the bad guys and good guys are doubtful. I suggested the corporate tax with offsetting credits for American job and research based in the U.S. several months ago and see no reason to enrich other nations by exporting our jobs. It's not isolationism, it's America firstism.

 

[darthtang aw]

Germany has no significant military....they never will ever since WW2. We close our german bases......we lose a lot of tactical and logistical options. And germany is less secure, thus making eastern europe less secure.

 

[mantisman51]

True, but Germany has the 4th largest economy. Therefore, they can take care of themselves or pay us to be their body guard.