Extra!! “Mexican Turbos not for reef tanks”?

[fshhub]

I am having a hard dtime understanding hte logic here.
First, ours are over a year old, sure we have loast some but most have sruvived well.
2d, from the mecican gulf, where in the ahem..... do you find 60- degree waters that we would dive and collect from?This one befuddles me a little. I can't think of anywhere in the mexican gulf that has waters even in the low 70's. ................ Maybe in the deeper waters of the pacific side, maybe but we dont collect much at those depths for reefs, do we?

 

[belothsurf]

heeeeeeyyyyy.....esssaaaayyyyy......we are cool. I certainly don't want to get mixed up with the Mexican Mafia......guacomole for everybody..................Mexican Turbos are excellent snails......"ANDELEA ANDELEA"....."Riba....Riba"................:jumping:

 

[bdhough]

that i didn't know fshhub, bout the gulf temp, nor do i know to your question.....
im still of the mind that alot of these guys just plain starve. as the politically incorrect guy put it he mowed the lawn they will eat loads of algae if its available.
the cooking method doesn't make much sense to me. how could a snail cook for months? i would think if it didn't like our water, it just plain didn't like our water and would die...

 

[beth]

I have had my very large Trochus which I got from this site for about a year.
What I find is that this snail is a non-stop eater. If it doesn't have food, it will starve, thus I only have 1.
When I first set up my reef about 2 yrs ago, I got 4 of these snails. They quickly made short work of all diatoms and hair algae which was aplenty in the new tank, then they starved to death.
They should be kept in established tanks. Getting only 1, will likely take care of all needs. My temp is 80.
BTW, they won't really deal with diatoms/hair on sandbeds, but everywhere else they will mow it down. If I leave diatoms up on my front glass for a day or so, I can come back and see where the trochus has mowed down the diatoms right in a straight line. Looks like grass has been mowed!

 

[bheron]

All good questions. Dr Ron is posting an article that will include this topic in a journal next month. I will follow up with details at that time. This is all interesting stuff!

 

[bheron]

Here's some more feedback from him on the thread regarding both the topic of temperate zones and the different names...
All of my comments to your questions will have to wait until the aritcle comes out, I am afraid. There are over 200 species of Turbo and a lot of different ones have been offered for sale. Those from tropical areas should be fine; those that are from temperate or subtropical areas are not.
HTH!

 

[daniel411]

I'm pretty sure that "well respected, industry expert Dr. Ron Shimek" has some very vocal critics over quite a few of his statements in the past.

 

[fender]

I have 4 VERY large mexican turbos that have been doing great for about 3 months. Water temp is 79-82 degrees. I even had an incident about a week ago where tank temp hit 86. My green BTA doesn't look so good but the Mexican Turbos are still active and weren't fazed.

 

[bheron]

Daniel411, i'm not sure what you mean. Is your point to question the Dr Shimek is not a well respected industry expert or that there are people that contradict what he says?

 

[jlem]

Over at the reef site where DR. Ron is so poupular he does have alot of critics. He seems to change his mind on lots of issues. Poeple tend to to take his comments as facts when lots of them are unproven opinions that change from one thing to the other.

 

[bheron]

I understand. Personally I havent found that yet but I dont doubt it. Everyone has critics. But not everyone has his experience and credentials to back it up.

 

[jeepboy]

I have 3 large mexican turbos in my 75g. I've had them for almost 4mths now without problems. I keep my tank at 81deg. My total cleaning crew is a bit small for a 75g based on what most recommend, so maybe that has prevented the turbos from starving.

 

[fshhub]

Originally posted by bheron
I understand. Personally I havent found that yet but I dont doubt it. Everyone has critics. But not everyone has his experience and credentials to back it up.
this is true, however so, is what was just told to you. He changes his mind on many large topics faster than I can do a water change sometimes. His research in most cases are merely guesses or opinions that he thought thru, but normally does not document or try out first. So, for these two reasons, he is still respected, but also questioned and confronted on many issues.

 

[krowleey]

i bought 4 from here a year ago, and all them are thriving and ver hardy, to

dr ron

 

[ekclark]

I am with Beth--I bought sveral of these over a year ago and I now have one, but it is doing fine and does the work of a dozen "normal" turbos. I keep my tank at about 79 degrees. I do not think I have found a snail species that I expect to live for a dozen years.

 

[stapler]

Are there any parts of the ocean where there is a reef and the water is above 80degrees? I would think all corals would like cooler water, as well as fish.

 

[kistheeze]

Here's my experience and input on this:
Mexican "REDFOOTED" tubos (Moon snails) - are not suited for the reeftank and will die over time.
Regular turbos - do fine (at least mine have for about 2 years)
They don't eat my hair algae - at all. Not a bit. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
Dr. Ron is a well respected member of aquarium society that has some good ideas - but is often critisized for making judgements on ideas sooner than other people might.

 

[beth]

Originally posted by bheron
But not everyone has his experience and credentials to back it up.
Hey, I have been a follower of his in terms of setting up a DSB reef tank. Or, at least the "old" theory which he now negates just because one of his tank failed. Where does that leave those of us, such as myself, who followed his methodologies to the letter? And what about the salt mix fiasco that resulted in several hobbyists having tank crashes.
As for aquarium "experience" he only has about 10 yrs, I believe.
No bashing intended here, but just keep in mind that just because someone is supposed to be an expert doesn't mean that everything they say and do is godsent. Also, before you accept the "expert" status of anyone, research their background yourself so you can assess the reality of that status.

 

[beth]

Originally posted by stapler
Are there any parts of the ocean where there is a reef and the water is above 80degrees? I would think all corals would like cooler water, as well as fish.
That is why someone invented chillers. Unfortunately they are pretty pricy and most of us won't or can't buy them.

 

[fshhub]

Originally posted by stapler
Are there any parts of the ocean where there is a reef and the water is above 80degrees? I would think all corals would like cooler water, as well as fish.
all throughout the gulf and carribean, the reefs are in the 70s and even the 80s.
cozumel, year round the waters are 78-82. 2d largest reef in the world too.
http://www.cozumelonline.com/scubadi...beginners.html