Feashwater fish ?

townsdp

Member
I have seen 5 to 8 medium sized oned do well in a planted aquarium. Mine got big enough that in a 10g qt, my biggest touched the bottom and her top hfin stuck out of the water an inch on the top while I redoing her tank. But she was two yrs old. good luck
 

rykna

Active Member
A group of 6 should be fine

Black Veil Angel
(Pterophyllum sp.)
Black Veil Angel
Quick Stats
Minimum Tank Size: 30 gallons
Care Level: Moderate
Tank Conditions: 75-82°F; pH 5.8-7.0; KH 1-5
Max. Size In Aquarium: Up to 6"
Color Form: Black
Temperament: Semi-aggressive
Diet: Omnivore
Compatibility: View Chart
Origin: Tank Bred, USA
Family: Cichlidae
The Black Lace Angel is a strain of angelfish that is black in color with long flowing fins that are accentuated with a beautiful black lace.
It prefers a well-planted tank of at least 30 gallons with soft, slightly acidic water. Rocks and driftwood can be added to the aquarium, but leave plenty of space for swimming.
It is best, when trying to breed the Black Lace Angel, to house a number of angels in the same aquarium until they pair off. After a pair has developed, a flat surface needs to be provided where the eggs can be laid. A piece of slate, a large plant leaf, or even a flowerpot should be positioned at an angle of about 30 degrees in an area of moderate water flow. The female will lay the eggs and the male will follow behind to fertilize. After approximately three days, the eggs will hatch and the fry will emerge. Feed the fry newly hatched brine shrimp until large enough to accept crushed flake food.
The Black Lace Angel needs to be fed a variety of foods including vegetables as well as meaty foods. Feed a quality flake food as well as live and frozen foods such as brine shrimp and bloodworms.
 

fishkid2

Member
I don't think I would do a planted tank. just because of the lighting and other stuff like the co2.
Do angels do best in a planted?
I want to get
2 Black Veil Angels
2 Gold Veil Angels
1 Marble Veil Angel
1 Smokey Leopard Veil Angel
And i forgot to put that im switching the fish i have in there now
which is just an oscar and a parrot fish.
 

jtrzerocool

Active Member
just be careful with the swich because angles like a PH that is below 7.0 and cichlids like a PH above 7.8
 

fishkid2

Member
Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
just be careful with the swich because angles like a PH that is below 7.0 and cichlids like a PH above 7.8
What could I do to lower the ph again.
 

jtrzerocool

Active Member
i would completely empty the tank and start with new water.
they have tablets at ***** that you can use called PH right or somthing like that. it will get you to your target PH. or there are cirtain test kits that come with PH UP and PH DOWN. thoes can also be helpful
 

fishkid2

Member
Why would I completely empty my tank. Can't I just put some tablets in with the water i have.
I don't want to dump all my good aged water out.
 

michaeltx

Moderator
I love angels I will post some pics later of my blushing greys. I wouldnt over due it on angels the reason is that they will pair up and start beating up on the other angels in the tank. I start with 6 odd balls in a tank and one pair hooked up they kill 3 before I could get the others out of the tank.
I still love angels though and will always have them!
as far as the PH I would drain down all the water leaving the gravel and then refill slowly test and then tank if you add dechlorinated water to the tank the bacteria wont dieoff and thus NO cycle to deal with.
Mike
 

jtrzerocool

Active Member
yes you could do that too but i would do it just to start fresh.
i guess you dont need to empty it but i would do it just as a precaution for possible dieses
 

michaeltx

Moderator
Originally Posted by fishkid2
Why would I completely empty my tank. Can't I just put some tablets in with the water i have.
I don't want to dump all my good aged water out.
the aged water really has nothing to do with the tank cycle process the bacteria is on everything. The problem with PH up and down stuff is that it can be counter productive and actually cause problems. so if I wanted a target PH I would start with fresh and then adjust it to where it needs to be.
mike
 

fishkid2

Member
I have another question.
Wouldn't I have to add all the angels at once to reduce aggrestion.
Then it would affect my water quality right?
 

michaeltx

Moderator
yeah but effecting the water quality you have an oscar in a 55 gallon tank they are the a heavy biological load so I think going down to about 6 angels is going to hurt it any at all LOL
Mike
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Nice angels Mike
I would empty the tank. Not only for the fresh start with new water for a lower ph, but there has to be some kind of build up left over from an oscar. Maybe you were very meticulous with this tank. That would be great
Oscars are very messy fish. If you were able to keep the nitrates on that tank down to at least 20 then you did an awsome job on that tank. Angels like soft water, but it doesn't have to be. They prefer a ph of 6.5-7.0. Again, they adapt. They like plants but they don't require them. Angels are often described with Discus who do need exact parameters and conditions. Angels are quite easy.
 

fishkid2

Member
Well i guess when i take the fish to the lfs and go to cub and get ro water since i don't have a ro unit.
I used to have 2 oscars in there for about a year until the big one randomly started to kill the other one.
i will post a pic if you guys want to see him.
 

michaeltx

Moderator
DO not use RO water in a freshwater tank IT WILL kill all the fish. RO strips everything out of the water that the fish need to live in SW we add it back to the tank with the salt mixes we use.
Mike
 
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