jthomas0385
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A lion fish, puffer, or eel will eat a large fire shrimp correct?
fire shrimp, lions
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jthomas0385
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can you mix a puffer and a lion?? I know you can't do a lion and trigger but what about a puffer? thank you
kjr_trig
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Originally Posted by JThomas0385
http:///forum/post/2616346
can you mix a puffer and a lion?? I know you can't do a lion and trigger but what about a puffer? thank you
I have seen Lions with Puffers, but as a general rule Puffers and Triggers like to sample things, this unfortunately can included a Lions fins....It is not advised to keep the 2 together.
http:///forum/post/2616346
can you mix a puffer and a lion?? I know you can't do a lion and trigger but what about a puffer? thank you
I have seen Lions with Puffers, but as a general rule Puffers and Triggers like to sample things, this unfortunately can included a Lions fins....It is not advised to keep the 2 together.
kaliman33
Member
I ahve a Huma & Niger Triggers, dogface puffer, and a lion all in my 150, no problems what so ever, actually my lion was'nt eating, it has been over a week, tried krill, shrimp, moving it, etc no luck, i was getting worried, my LFS told me to put in some rosie's and the puffer, both triggers and the lion went to town, a dozen gone in under 2 minutes, it was amazing to watch. now my lion has a nice belly (so do the triggers and puffer)
anyone else do this? i cant get him to eat anything dead
anyone else do this? i cant get him to eat anything dead
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by kaliman33
http:///forum/post/2616538
I ahve a Huma & Niger Triggers, dogface puffer, and a lion all in my 150, no problems what so ever, actually my lion was'nt eating, it has been over a week, tried krill, shrimp, moving it, etc no luck, i was getting worried, my LFS told me to put in some rosie's and the puffer, both triggers and the lion went to town, a dozen gone in under 2 minutes, it was amazing to watch. now my lion has a nice belly (so do the triggers and puffer)
anyone else do this? i cant get him to eat anything dead
Fresh water feeders are not good for any salt water fish. If the fish will not accept frozen yet then feed him glass (ghost) shrimp.
It is not safe to say that the trigger and puffer are not going to bother the lion after only a weeks time.
http:///forum/post/2616538
I ahve a Huma & Niger Triggers, dogface puffer, and a lion all in my 150, no problems what so ever, actually my lion was'nt eating, it has been over a week, tried krill, shrimp, moving it, etc no luck, i was getting worried, my LFS told me to put in some rosie's and the puffer, both triggers and the lion went to town, a dozen gone in under 2 minutes, it was amazing to watch. now my lion has a nice belly (so do the triggers and puffer)
anyone else do this? i cant get him to eat anything dead
Fresh water feeders are not good for any salt water fish. If the fish will not accept frozen yet then feed him glass (ghost) shrimp.
It is not safe to say that the trigger and puffer are not going to bother the lion after only a weeks time.
kjr_trig
Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2617136
Fresh water feeders are not good for any salt water fish. If the fish will not accept frozen yet then feed him glass (ghost) shrimp.
It is not safe to say that the trigger and puffer are not going to bother the lion after only a weeks time.
Plus many people will say feeding live feeders to the Triggers and Puffers will make them more aggressive.
http:///forum/post/2617136
Fresh water feeders are not good for any salt water fish. If the fish will not accept frozen yet then feed him glass (ghost) shrimp.
It is not safe to say that the trigger and puffer are not going to bother the lion after only a weeks time.
Plus many people will say feeding live feeders to the Triggers and Puffers will make them more aggressive.
prime311
Active Member
I don't think kaliman is saying theyve only been together for a week, just the Lion hasnt been eating for a week. Thats irrelevant though, putting a Lion with Puffers and Triggers is a huge risk and will more likely then not lead to a dead lion. This isn't to say no one in the history of aquatics has kept a Lion with Puffers and Triggers successfully, but the odds are so much against you that anyone that gives a dam about their fish would avoid this combination.
el guapo
Active Member
Lions are not so much aggressive as they are simpley preditory . They do stalk and eat smaller fish but they are not fighters or attackers like triggers ,puffers,wrasse, groupers or even eels . They are very peaceful fish who have gotten labeled aggressive simply because they are canivours. You have to be selective about what you house them with . They fall into a strange catigory where it is easy for them to either clean out a tank of small fish or be killed by large aggressive fish .
On another note : feeding live food especially freshwater feeders is bad for your fish . Freshwater feeders such as rosies lack the proper nutrition for your saltwater fish . There are ways of weaning your lion fish on to frozzen food .
Its also my opinion that feeding live food to fish such as triggers puffers and groupers only furthers to encourage aggressive behavior in them . As responsible keepers we all want to keep our fish happy and healthy long term . Live feeding only causes the fish to frenzy and will eventualy result in the loss of healthy fish .
On another note : feeding live food especially freshwater feeders is bad for your fish . Freshwater feeders such as rosies lack the proper nutrition for your saltwater fish . There are ways of weaning your lion fish on to frozzen food .
Its also my opinion that feeding live food to fish such as triggers puffers and groupers only furthers to encourage aggressive behavior in them . As responsible keepers we all want to keep our fish happy and healthy long term . Live feeding only causes the fish to frenzy and will eventualy result in the loss of healthy fish .
kaliman33
Member
Lets get one thing straight, i am not putting these fish together so they can fight and kill one another, i love my tanks, and want peaceful happy fish. That said, my LFS has numerous tanks set up at his residence, he said he has had all these together for years with no problem, so he reccommends fish for me, so far i trust him because everything is fine ( in my reef tank i have had a coral beauty and flame angle live happily together for a long time now, no problems, so he says rosies are fine , he gut feeds them, i was surprised that the puffer and triggers ate them because i just fed everyone shrimp and krill and they at like pigs, then they saw these, they only ate 1 or 2, but the lion ate a whole bunch, i was happy because the lion wont eat anything, i have tried shrimp, krill, moving it in current, etc
i was thinking about chromis's, putting a bunch in and see if he'd eat those, i have 3 (had 4, dont know if he ate it) he stalks them but they seem to fast,
please dont rip on me because you think i am just putting fish together.
i was thinking about chromis's, putting a bunch in and see if he'd eat those, i have 3 (had 4, dont know if he ate it) he stalks them but they seem to fast,
please dont rip on me because you think i am just putting fish together.
kjr_trig
Active Member
Originally Posted by kaliman33
http:///forum/post/2617509
Lets get one thing straight, i am not putting these fish together so they can fight and kill one another, i love my tanks, and want peaceful happy fish. That said, my LFS has numerous tanks set up at his residence, he said he has had all these together for years with no problem, so he reccommends fish for me, so far i trust him because everything is fine ( in my reef tank i have had a coral beauty and flame angle live happily together for a long time now, no problems, so he says rosies are fine , he gut feeds them, i was surprised that the puffer and triggers ate them because i just fed everyone shrimp and krill and they at like pigs, then they saw these, they only ate 1 or 2, but the lion ate a whole bunch, i was happy because the lion wont eat anything, i have tried shrimp, krill, moving it in current, etc
i was thinking about chromis's, putting a bunch in and see if he'd eat those, i have 3 (had 4, dont know if he ate it) he stalks them but they seem to fast,
please dont rip on me because you think i am just putting fish together.
Nobody trying to rip you....This board is all about advice based on past experience and reading...It is typically thought that Triggers and Puffers don't make good tank mates with Lions LONG TERM....It is typically thought that feeding live feeders makes Triggers and Puffers more aggressive LONG TERM.
el guapo
Active Member
Originally Posted by kaliman33
http:///forum/post/2617509
Lets get one thing straight, i am not putting these fish together so they can fight and kill one another, i love my tanks, and want peaceful happy fish. That said, my LFS has numerous tanks set up at his residence, he said he has had all these together for years with no problem, so he reccommends fish for me, so far i trust him because everything is fine ( in my reef tank i have had a coral beauty and flame angle live happily together for a long time now, no problems, so he says rosies are fine , he gut feeds them, i was surprised that the puffer and triggers ate them because i just fed everyone shrimp and krill and they at like pigs, then they saw these, they only ate 1 or 2, but the lion ate a whole bunch, i was happy because the lion wont eat anything, i have tried shrimp, krill, moving it in current, etc
i was thinking about chromis's, putting a bunch in and see if he'd eat those, i have 3 (had 4, dont know if he ate it) he stalks them but they seem to fast,
please dont rip on me because you think i am just putting fish together.
Nobody said you were "just putting fish together " . You asked a question about a combanation of fish and you were given answeres bassed on experience's . Nobody is ripping you . We are only trying to tell you where you are making mistakes .
I really don't understand why if you feel you are getting great advice from your lfs why you would ask for our opinions here . You know what we are going to respond with and you know its going to be contrary to your lfs advice ?
http:///forum/post/2617509
Lets get one thing straight, i am not putting these fish together so they can fight and kill one another, i love my tanks, and want peaceful happy fish. That said, my LFS has numerous tanks set up at his residence, he said he has had all these together for years with no problem, so he reccommends fish for me, so far i trust him because everything is fine ( in my reef tank i have had a coral beauty and flame angle live happily together for a long time now, no problems, so he says rosies are fine , he gut feeds them, i was surprised that the puffer and triggers ate them because i just fed everyone shrimp and krill and they at like pigs, then they saw these, they only ate 1 or 2, but the lion ate a whole bunch, i was happy because the lion wont eat anything, i have tried shrimp, krill, moving it in current, etc
i was thinking about chromis's, putting a bunch in and see if he'd eat those, i have 3 (had 4, dont know if he ate it) he stalks them but they seem to fast,
please dont rip on me because you think i am just putting fish together.
Nobody said you were "just putting fish together " . You asked a question about a combanation of fish and you were given answeres bassed on experience's . Nobody is ripping you . We are only trying to tell you where you are making mistakes .
I really don't understand why if you feel you are getting great advice from your lfs why you would ask for our opinions here . You know what we are going to respond with and you know its going to be contrary to your lfs advice ?
jag2232
Member
My lion ate a large camel shrimp when he was very young, I wouldn't be surprised if one went after a fire shrimp which is more colorful and much more noticeable. I've heard some people say that inverts are safe with lions if you put the inverts in first and they find hiding spots but I'm going to have to disagree with that as my shrimp was in there for over a month before I put in my lion. My lion up until then had eaten nothing except for frozen food so he wouldn't have mistaken it as a feeder either.
el guapo
Active Member
Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/2617750
Actually Kaliman wasnt asking a question at all, they were responding to the OP.
Well I guess i should say, Kaliman wasn't asking any q's about his stocklist.
Gotcha . Its hard to keep up at times when threads get of topic by people pushing agendas . My appolagies .
http:///forum/post/2617750
Actually Kaliman wasnt asking a question at all, they were responding to the OP.
Well I guess i should say, Kaliman wasn't asking any q's about his stocklist.
Gotcha . Its hard to keep up at times when threads get of topic by people pushing agendas . My appolagies .
srfisher17
Active Member
There are so many gray areas in this hobby. This forum has a lot of contributors and someone has probably had a good experience with every conceivable combination of fish. IMO, triggers don't belong with lions. Triggers often go a long time before turning into the fish that their genes tell them to be; aggressive predators. IME, its not a matter of IF most triggers will start to go after lions, its WHEN. This is just my experience, plus the result of lots of reading. it doesn't mean anyone is wrong; but, too often, the exception to the norm can become the "right" answer, because that what some folks want to hear. Triggers & lions seem like such a natural combination. But; a lion is not the same type of aggressive fish as a trigger, it seldom will bother anything it can't swallow whole. Its fins almost always, will become targets for triggers--and the lion is quite defenseless.
kaliman33
Member
i dont mean to be rude, but it seemed to me i was totally being ripped on, the LFS is helping me stock the tank, he even came over to install my UV, he said to trust him and if i have a problem he will take what ever back, i want a peaceful, happy, cool tank. It is hard to take everyone's advice especially after the fact. I will keep a close eye on everyone, I just talked to him again about the rosies, he says they are gut fed, and he and his other clients have been doing it for over 10 years no problems, if i only feeed them once a week live, hopefully the triggers wont get to aggressive
I appreciate the advice, just sometimes in e-mails the tone can be misunderstood,
I appreciate the advice, just sometimes in e-mails the tone can be misunderstood,
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by kaliman33
http:///forum/post/2617856
i dont mean to be rude, but it seemed to me i was totally being ripped on, the LFS is helping me stock the tank, he even came over to install my UV, he said to trust him and if i have a problem he will take what ever back, i want a peaceful, happy, cool tank. It is hard to take everyone's advice especially after the fact. I will keep a close eye on everyone, I just talked to him again about the rosies, he says they are gut fed, and he and his other clients have been doing it for over 10 years no problems, if i only feeed them once a week live, hopefully the triggers wont get to aggressive
I appreciate the advice, just sometimes in e-mails the tone can be misunderstood,
Just my opinion; but I think you are getting some very bad advice. I don't know of one experienced hobbiest who feels that its healthy to feed any FW fish to SW fish long-term. They are very fatty (compare the fat on a FW bass to a SW tuna; the basses belly wiggles, the tuna's doesn't. ) It is well documented that this fatty build-up is very damaging to the organs of SW fish. All SW aquarium fish can thrive without the FW feeders and I can think of 2 reasons to suggest feeding them: its fun to watch them feed and the lfs sells them.
http:///forum/post/2617856
i dont mean to be rude, but it seemed to me i was totally being ripped on, the LFS is helping me stock the tank, he even came over to install my UV, he said to trust him and if i have a problem he will take what ever back, i want a peaceful, happy, cool tank. It is hard to take everyone's advice especially after the fact. I will keep a close eye on everyone, I just talked to him again about the rosies, he says they are gut fed, and he and his other clients have been doing it for over 10 years no problems, if i only feeed them once a week live, hopefully the triggers wont get to aggressive
I appreciate the advice, just sometimes in e-mails the tone can be misunderstood,
Just my opinion; but I think you are getting some very bad advice. I don't know of one experienced hobbiest who feels that its healthy to feed any FW fish to SW fish long-term. They are very fatty (compare the fat on a FW bass to a SW tuna; the basses belly wiggles, the tuna's doesn't. ) It is well documented that this fatty build-up is very damaging to the organs of SW fish. All SW aquarium fish can thrive without the FW feeders and I can think of 2 reasons to suggest feeding them: its fun to watch them feed and the lfs sells them.
el guapo
Active Member
Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/2617904
I can think of 2 reasons to suggest feeding them: its fun to watch them feed and the lfs sells them.
Thats about the only reasons . You have to keep in mind that live food has a higher profit then frozen food . Especially if you can wean them on to frozen food that you can get at the grocerie store .
http:///forum/post/2617904
I can think of 2 reasons to suggest feeding them: its fun to watch them feed and the lfs sells them.
Thats about the only reasons . You have to keep in mind that live food has a higher profit then frozen food . Especially if you can wean them on to frozen food that you can get at the grocerie store .
srfisher17
Active Member
I think owning a lfs would one of the toughest businesses in the world. Trying to balance love of fish and profit with all the Petcos and online sources must really be tough. One big problem I've seen (when I raised FW discus & angels, I saw plenty) with lfs owners is that they just don't keep up with the changes & trends in the hobby. Maybe just not enough time, or they just keep doing whats worked over the years. I don't think all lfs that give questionable advice are jerks or crooks; any more than the guy at the corner that sells cigs that kill people. Please don't take all this personally; this hobby requires more homework than anything I can think of. OK, to the point: why did he sell you a UV system? IMO, this would be one of the last pieces of equipment a new hobbiest would need or want? This may be a small point, but I can remember when they were thought to be magical...maybe the lfs is just not aware of the latest in hobby info; or maybe just trying to make a profit (nothing wrong with that). I'm sorry, this may be the nicest guy in the world; but I sure wouldn't take much advice from him.