Fish Are Not For Cycling!!!!

[carshark]

ok i have read countless thread after thread stating that they just used damsels, clowns, or other fish to cycle their tank!!!!!! please i am starting this thread to inform all newbies, or others that listened or going to listen to their LFS!!!! they have one motive on their mind, MONEY!!! those fish will die and it is down right mean. patience is the key to this hobby, if you cant wait 2-6 weeks for your tank to cycle naturally, dont do this hobby!! what if you were used to see if a house that has been pest bombed was safe to live in now??? i imagine you would have a hard time living in that environment...it isnt fair to these guys, nor would it be to you...Call me a treehugger, or whatever but this is just my 2 cents and i think its not fair!!! anyone else wanna chime in go for it, it is appreciated.
:happyfish :happyfish :happyfish :happyfish :happyfish

 

[computrgk]

not to disagree i fully agree there is better ways to cycle a tank but when i started out oh i don't know 5-7 years ago i cycled with damsels chromis yellow tail. none died infact i think one that is in my newiest tank (over 1 1/2 yrs old) was left over from that "cycle" bunch although it worked for me had i known better i would have used LR LS and cocktail shrimp because more often than not they do die. Like i said i'm not disagreeing with you just adding my advice from someone who has done it sucsessfully though unadviseably*(sp)
Anyway just my Two cents as well.

 

[celacanthr]

Comeon Carshark its only the equivelant of living in a room full of mustard gas for six weeks, as it slowly burns your breathing organs. comeon everyones doing it.
I agree 1,111% this is a horrible way to treat something that has no choice but to live where you tell it to live.

 

[carshark]

yeah im not saying indefinitely it will happen just trying to dispell the practice...

 

[carshark]

Originally Posted by CELACANTHr
Comeon Carshark its only the equivelant of living in a room full of mustard gas for six weeks, as it slowly burns your breathing organs. comeon everyones doing it.
I agree 1,111% this is a horrible way to treat something that has no choice but to live where you tell it to live.

yeah its no big deal, i mean look at the war veterans who have had exposure to mustard gas, all of them are mentally stable and physically healthy....lol

 

[computrgk]

it is a horrible practice poor fishes

:happyfish :happyfish :happyfish

 

[hot883]

If you have been lucky enough to have fish live through a cycle then you have fish that ARE permantely damaged as their gills are burned. Just better to not use/lose a fish to cycle. I am in total aggreance with carshark.

 

[celacanthr]

Once again DO NOT CYCLE with damsels. If you did it was probably due to bad advice from your lfs which i can understand, but if you knew what you were doing why would you do that? It hurts the fish, like i said before the damsels will probably survive but would have terrible chemical burns to their gills, and two I have heard getting damsels back out of tanks, is equivelent to trying to make mollases flow up hill, and three you will want to get the damsels back out later because with damsels your stocking density is quartered because they are so aggressive and teritorial.

 

[carshark]

its not easy, those are quick

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!!!!! and smart!! so i used my algae scraper and net to corner one towards the front of the glass to scoop him out...took me about 4 hours off and on to get him out. he was harrassing fish 4 times his size, lil mean

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, i had two domino and a 3 stripe, wanted to keep them but they were too aggressive for my tangs and foxface

 

[celacanthr]

You know what is even sadder is that after you take the damsels back they will be burned again as the lfs reccomends cycling your tank with damsels. Poor, mean little devil angels.

 

[computrgk]

i did it due to poor info i fully regret getting damsels due to the aggressiveness i hate them little Fkrs they nip at everything including me..
best adviced Just don't do it.

 

[carshark]

Originally Posted by CELACANTHr
You know what is even sadder is that after you take the damsels back they will be burned again as the lfs reccomends cycling your tank with damsels. Poor, mean little devil angels.

yeah imagine your whole life consisted of little kids pounding on your glass and then being scooped up put into a toxic wasteland, settling out in better conditions, getting comfortable, healing then getting chased by a giant net and getting scooped up only to be put back into an area where huge specimens pound on your glass again only to be chased by a giant net again and being tossed back into a toxic wasteland??? man i dunno about you but i am avoiding the military!!!! :thinking:

 

[carshark]

Originally Posted by ComputrGk
i did it due to poor info i fully regret getting damsels due to the aggressiveness i hate them little Fkrs they nip at everything including me..
best adviced Just don't do it.

NIKE would have your head!!!

 

[jcrim]

Just out of curiusity, is everyone in this discussion equally as repulsed by the practice of live feeders. Why do we value certain fishes lives over others? I hope it's not based on their price... if I can get 10 feeders for a buck and they get eaten, why is there less uproar than using a 5 dollar fish for cycling?
Just curious why make this distinction? :notsure: :notsure: :notsure:

 

[celacanthr]

I am repulsed by the use feeder fish. But one could make the argument that the feeders are actually needed for a fish to live and are going to good use, but that a damsel is just being tortured cause the owners dont want to save 4.00 and just buy a peeled shrimp

 

[scottgotts]

i was dumb and listened to my lfs and now my damsel has been in my tank for 2 days (for cycling purposes) is there anyway that when the tank does cycle that i can buy some amonia reducer to prevent any burns on the fish??? any advice???

 

[celacanthr]

you should take the damsel out NOW sell it back to your lfs and buy a peeled shrimp to cycle your aquarium

 

[finchfishs]

Yes, cycle your tank without damsels... I had my tank for 10days...and my LFS said i should add a few damsels... i was stoaked.."yay i get fish" They have all been a headache since..(only 2 days!) except for 1, a little 4 stripe..hes so cute and is the coolest one in there. I regret getting them though...as soon as i get a new fish they are going back to the fish store. My LFS said he would give me credit for them whenever and take them back when the tanks cycled. But now i kinda feel bad

 

[carshark]

Originally Posted by jcrim
Just out of curiusity, is everyone in this discussion equally as repulsed by the practice of live feeders. Why do we value certain fishes lives over others? I hope it's not based on their price... if I can get 10 feeders for a buck and they get eaten, why is there less uproar than using a 5 dollar fish for cycling?
Just curious why make this distinction? :notsure: :notsure: :notsure:

well simple, as those are bred for that nature of feeding, the distinction is that in nature thats what these fish feed on, you dont see in nature a turtle take a fish and put in his aquarium to speed up nature eventually hurting that fish do you? the simple fact of that alone speaks for itself.

 

[jcrim]

Originally Posted by CELACANTHr
But one could make the argument that the feeders are actually needed for a fish to live and are going to good use, but that a damsel is just being tortured cause the owners dont want to save 4.00 and just buy a peeled shrimp

Are feeder fish really necessary for our aquarium fish to live? Generally they are unnecessary because fish will eat frozen or dried foods. I agree that the use of fish to cycle is a reckless risk on that fish's life. But to sacrifice feeders is an intentional killing. To condemn one practice and not the other is hypocritical.