For those fish and dog lovers out there

mylady

Member
Hoping one day I am comfortable and skilled enough in color to do something like this. This is a dog groomed for what is called a creative grooming contest. No, it's not cruel or dangerous to the pets in any way. I'm just starting to get into color, maybe one day...
And yes, that is carved all out of fur.
 

mylady

Member
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Originally Posted by DragonZim http:///forum/thread/383977/for-those-fish-and-dog-lovers-out-there#post_3361864
And yes, that is cruel and unusal punishment!
Excuse me, how is this in any way cruel and usual punishment? Do you have any idea how this is done? Perhaps all the extra attention this dog gets for his or her colorful groom is cruel? Or all the personal one on one attention she gets from her owner who also happens to be the groomer? Only dogs that like to be on the table are used for creative comps. I think it's funny that people see a little color and jump to the conclusion that it is somehow abusive without having the first clue as to what is entailed in the process. These dogs are all well loved, spoiled pets that strut their stuff like nobody's business when they are done. If you actually have questions or want to know more about what actually goes into one of these grooms, I will be happy to enlighten you.
 

meowzer

Moderator
LOL...I never said it was cruel (just in case you thought I felt that) I just think it's weird haha....and IMO I would not do that to one of my animals.....
IDC what other people do...just asking WHY
 

mylady

Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/383977/for-those-fish-and-dog-lovers-out-there#post_3361868
WHY.....I just don't understand WHY someone would do that???
It's a competition. Each groomer has a theme and grooms the dogs in front of the judges and then gives a presentation at the end. It's also fun and a creative outlet and when you win you are usually on the cover of our industry magazine as well as win pretty trophies as well as money. But even without the trophies or money, it's still just fun and many groomers offer it at a lesser extent to their clients. Why do you keep fish in a tank? To some they would think it's cruel to keep pretty fish in a box versus the ocean. Why do people get their pets done in cute haircuts and not all over shaves all the time? Really, just because there isn't any color, the process isn't much different. They have to be in the tub and stand on a table etc etc. These dogs actually like to be groomed and probably lead better lives than most people. I know one of the groomers that competes has Reiki done on her dog before every comp, her dog gets massages etc. Whatever he needs, he has.
 

monsinour

Active Member
Hey, I was like most of you when I first saw this kind of stuff years and years ago. Having been around it now, I sure wish I could swap places with some of these dogs. I know that they lead better lives than I do and I know they eat better and are treated better than I. And there is something about these dogs when they are shown to the crowds watching the judging. Its as if they know the spotlight is on them and some of the strutting that goes on is incredible.
I still dont see 100% why its done, but I certainly do acknowledge the skill and effort that goes into one of these grooms.
 
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smartorl

Guest
This could be the leading cause of dogs killing their owners (insert smiley).
As an artist, I do admire the skill exhibited but as an animal advocate and rescuer, I don't agree with the whole side of the animal industry that promotes exhibition. I do appreciate all the work that goes into the training of animals with special skills, speed, agility, etc but it also is an outlet for people who exploit them.
As someone who has 5 high dollar earning Thoroughbred horses in my barn that were once on top of the world and then slaughterbound before they were 6 years old, I have strong views. Had the truck transporting my guys not wrecked (they were the sole survivors of 39 horses) they would have met their end in a Canadian slaughterhouse. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them, all are sound to ride even. When we used their lip tattoos to identify them through the Jockey club, it was staggering. They did nothing wrong, they are just the by-product of humans need to compete.
My rat terrier is a rescue that was a breeder cull because the cartlidge in her ear was broken and with one standing, and one down, she was no longer desirable.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
watching these big poodles i guess thats what she is?on dog shows i always thought they were a wimpy girlie dog.untill i met someone with a few of them they are actually a pretty sweet animal.now that being said i wish i could tell this dog how stupid she looks so she can attack her owner.
wtf already people have too much time on their hands thinking of the next stupid competition or reality show.
what happened to reading or getting a normal hobby like saltwaterfish or playing music?
buy yourself a canvas and paint if you are an artist.
that poor dog.
although have you seen the chinese making pandas out of dogs pretty cool :O)
 

dmanatee

Member
i have three friends that are pro groomers and all i can say is that they are not paid enough. They have to normaly deal with animals that rarely see a brush let alone a bath and then are expected to do miricals, which they always seem to be able to do.
Now for the rare occasion they get to work with the best cliants. These dogs are the top of perfection with training, grooming and overall well being. If these dogs enjoy haveing this done, and the groomer does too then why not?
I admit to haveing my dogs tail colored hunter orange in the fall for safty reasons. It washes out and the hound, dosnt mind either, because he get dried elk liver when the day is done.
This is an art form both of style but of dog training (which is an artform).
if you want disturbing art then look up the Peter Meyer insendent with the Trapholt Art Museum in Kolding, Denmark, in February 2000 .

We are all fish lovers here, and most of us are fur pet lovers too. I have to say ... Paint is Ok in my book.
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
haha...that actually looks pretty good. I'm sure my dog would love it as she can't get enough of being touched and handled. I actually give her her own hair cuts from time to time and she loves it. Just, not around the face. If nothing else, it's art and a good way to showcase your skills as a groomer (perhaps drum up some extra business).
 

gemmy

Active Member
I admire the patience that groomers have. A lot of dogs hate being groomed and squirm all over the place, but the groomers persevere to complete the groom ensuring the owner is happy. I am amazed at some of the work that they can do with color and shaping the fur. Got any ideas for a different look for sable sheltie?
 
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smartorl

Guest
Poodles, while not my choice of dogs can be pretty cool. A friend had a boarder at her barn who has two standard poodles and if you spend any time with them you enjoy them because they are anything but prissy!
 

mylady

Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by smartorl http:///forum/thread/383977/for-those-fish-and-dog-lovers-out-there#post_3361908
This could be the leading cause of dogs killing their owners (insert smiley).
As an artist, I do admire the skill exhibited but as an animal advocate and rescuer, I don't agree with the whole side of the animal industry that promotes exhibition. I do appreciate all the work that goes into the training of animals with special skills, speed, agility, etc but it also is an outlet for people who exploit them.
As someone who has 5 high dollar earning Thoroughbred horses in my barn that were once on top of the world and then slaughterbound before they were 6 years old, I have strong views. Had the truck transporting my guys not wrecked (they were the sole survivors of 39 horses) they would have met their end in a Canadian slaughterhouse. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them, all are sound to ride even. When we used their lip tattoos to identify them through the Jockey club, it was staggering. They did nothing wrong, they are just the by-product of humans need to compete.
My rat terrier is a rescue that was a breeder cull because the cartlidge in her ear was broken and with one standing, and one down, she was no longer desirable.
I don't see this as exploitation in any way. A HUGE portion of the dogs used in creative are rescues. The majority of us groomers are die hard animal lovers. We don't throw animals away. It is sad the way many horses are treated. People don't treat them as a lifetime responsibility. They are traded in like cars, looking for something more challenging or more fun. but these dogs are pampered lifelong pets that live the high life. I will tell you what, if any of the people doing creative were ever found out to be dumping their dogs because they couldn't compete with them anymore there would be a flogging! I compete myself and adopted a Standard Poodle in hopes of using him for competition. He was 4 months old and I took a chance he would have a great coat. Well, I rolled the dice and lost out BIG time in that department. He has the worst coat, doesn't even look like a poodle for the most part and there is no way I could ever compete with him. He will forever be my dog though, competition or not. These kinds of competitions are nothing like horse racing. Groomers don't go through dogs. They may get new ones, but they just increase how many dogs they have, they don't get rid of the old ones. The groomers that compete often in creative are extremely well known in the industry and I talk with many of them on message baords as well as at the grooming shows. Recently one of the most well known creative groomers lost her poodle to Cancer. She had two others that passed from old age. The number of us that mourned for those dogs was probably well into the thousands because we get to know these groomers and their pets and how much they love them. These are first and foremost, well loved family pets and secondly, dogs they use for grooming competitions. I know a few creative groomers that adopted a couple poodles in hopes of using them for creative and found the dogs didn't care for that amount of table time. They still have those dogs, keep them in short easy clips, and just let them be fun loving dogs. It's the dogs that really seem to love the attention this brings that are used. Not every poodle is cut out for it, just like not every German Sheperd makes a good police dog. It's a selective process. If you ever attended any grooming shows I think you would see very quickly how much these dogs are loved and that these dogs will never be without.
 
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smartorl

Guest
I don't doubt at all that these dogs are loved and pampered at all. I'm not being rude, but I am very involved in rescue and it's not the "loved" "treasured" ones that are effected, it's those that were created for a specific purpose and when they finish or are culled that become the ugly by product.
I think it's awesome that you still have the poodle that didn't measure up. You aren't contributing to the problem but far too many do.
My rescue horses would still be owned and probably cherished had they not been gelded and still served a purpose which put money in peoples pockets. They were gelded because they were too dangerous to race, made money, and were shipped off to slaughter because they were gelded.
Dog shows, horse shows, horse races, etc, always bring out unscrupulous people out to
make a buck. It's in the papers all the time. More so lately it seems.
Not saying your thing is abusive or exploiting the dogs, just that anytime animals are used for personal gain, they often suffer either directly or indirectly.
 

mylady

Member
It is a sad fact of life that there are some people that use animals solely as a source for making money. I have met too many of them and each one has turned my stomach. I will not say that all groomers are fabulous pet owners, because in every group there are bad apples, but I do feel the majority of us truly love animals and see far too much neglect to ever subject an animal to it ourselves. I have also been big into rescue. I had my own bird rescue in high school. All of our pets are rescues, except the fish. I am fortunate that as a groomer 99.9% of the pet owners I deal with treat their animals as life long parts of their family.
Not everyone is into creative grooming, even other groomers. I've met a few that just want to see a beautifully groomed poodle to standard and think color looks strange. Differing opinions don't bother me at all. It's when people think these animals are somehow being hurt that bothers me. Rachel Ray had made a statement on her show about creative grooming telling people that these dogs had to stand for hours upon hours at a time and made the whole experience seem like torture. That misinformation did upset me because there was such an uproar from her viewers because they believed what she said. Now, feeding her Nutrish food, THAT is definite abuse! She's even admitted she can't feed it to her own dog because it makes them sick. Don't get me started there!
 

mantisman51

Active Member
Are the dogs in pain? No. Are the dogs starved? No. Are the dogs mistreated? (Being this is done in public for show)No. Are the dogs poisoned? No. Are the dogs slaughtered for meat after? No. So what could be the objection by a human? Stupid emotionalism? Dislike of the aesthetics? The need to control others? Anyway you slice it, people so emotionally opposed to this can only want to impose their taste on others. The dogs are clearly not in danger or discomfort. But I do find it silly.
 
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