For those fish and dog lovers out there

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brandonsivek

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383977/for-those-fish-and-dog-lovers-out-there#post_3362069
Are the dogs in pain? No. Are the dogs starved? No. Are the dogs mistreated? (Being this is done in public for show)No. Are the dogs poisoned? No. Are the dogs slaughtered for meat after? No. So what could be the objection by a human? Stupid emotionalism? Dislike of the aesthetics? The need to control others? Anyway you slice it, people so emotionally opposed to this can only want to impose their taste on others. The dogs are clearly not in danger or discomfort. But I do find it silly.
For once, I actually agree with you. That dog is in no pain at all, and probably honestly could care less.
 
flower

flower

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I think cloths on an animal is silly, yet I put diapers on my female when she goes in season. Also those little tiny dogs need something to help fend off the cold. So sometimes doggie cloths are needed.
Let’s see, I declawed my cats, I needed my furniture intact. I had a friend who cropped the dog’s ears and cut off the tails on his Doberman pinchers, that's cruel, and if I had a Doby... he would be cropped because I think the dog is pure ugly with a whip tail and floppy ears.
A blue Mohawk or a fish design is not so bad. Some things are just fun to make fun of...so if you put blue Mohawks on dogs and fish cuts, like in the picture...we are allowed to laugh. I really think that is what folks mean by its cruel, they mean it as a joke because it looks so ridicules. We know the animal wasn't hurt and could care less; they love their humans no matter what.
 
monsinour

monsinour

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Declawing cats = removal of the first knucle on each toe
Talk about cruel. Our cats arent declawed and I think I would get gelded if I suggested it to the missus. We have a scratching post and the cats use it. It wasnt until we got Percy that I really started to notice the damage to the ratty furnature we have. Since none of it matched anyways, I dont care. Besides, what the cats dont destroy, our kids will. LOL
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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I'm getting a definite "toddlers and tiara's" vibe from that pic... Some gussied up Radisson ballroom, where the guys there have just the right amount of creepiness .... Some completely overzealous host, then checkout sadface directly behind him

Do whatever you enjoy. I also don't get creative grooming, but obviously the dogs aren't put in any harm, and don't mind it. I understand that it isn't easy and takes some skill and practice, so props for that. Though as with most things in life that are worth it, they generally aren't easy...
 
flower

flower

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If you get that new furniture, and you will some day. A cat like Percy will not be appreciated. It’s crazy to allow animals to destroy your furniture. I always buy leather…LOL…it holds up best, but not against a cats claws.
Speaking of gelded, my horse was before I got him,. I’m sure I would have done it because stallions are so unruly and hard to ride.
I no longer have cats. I went to a dog and Parrot after Lynx my 18 year old yellow tabby died. My late X-husband Dan called him our puppy-cat. He wanted a dog and Lynx didn’t care for them so we waited..LOL…a very long time for Dan to finally get a dog.
He would allow declawing, gelding horses and cropping ears, but I assure you no animal of ours could sport a Mohawk…not even the kids. My son came home one day with a freak hair cut and Dan shaved his head. When the same boy came home with purple in his hair insisting it would wash out Dan gave 30 minutes to do it….he was holding the electric razor when the boy emerged from the bathroom with normal wet brown hair.
 
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dragonzim

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I really think that is what folks mean by its cruel, they mean it as a joke because it looks so ridicules. We know the animal wasn't hurt and could care less; they love their humans no matter what.
That is exactly what I meant! Poodles have enough image problems without having fish carved into their fur! And for the record, I love Standard Poodles. My parents had them for years and they are the smartest dogs I have ever seen and have tons of personality.
 
mylady

mylady

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I have had brand new furniture and two cats with claws at the time. After working for a vet, nope, I don't care, I will NOT declaw a cat. It's amputation. Docking and Cropping has become banned in other countries and is on it's way to becoming banned in this country as well. You cannot show a docked or cropped dog in UKC so if you want a double registered dog, it has to be natural. the only reason it looks funny to people is because they aren't used to it. If we had never started doing it, the reverse would be true. I have seen cats personalities completely change after being declawed. I have seen the extreme pain of recovery that some have gone through. I have watched the procedure and no, I could never do it to my cats. There are other options out there and if I was really all that concerned about the furniture, I'd use those instead. Now, yes, all of our animals are spay/neautered. Spaying reduces breast cancer in dogs by 80% and completely eliminates the risk of pyometra. Neutering also helps lower the risk of prostate cancer in dogs. And of course besides that, there is already a pet overpopulation problem. I have no problem with those types of procedures because they serve a greater purpose. I would not want to try to ride a stallion either. The little Arabian gelding I had was a big enough PITA. I wouldn't have wanted to see what he was like before he was gelded. He was a dream to ride, once he stopped bucking and realized I wasn't falling off. He could jump anything and was so smooth to ride, even at a trot! he did sit down once while I was on his back, that was interesting.
Besides, since Percy is from a rescue group one of the things they required was that we agree to never declaw him. Most rescues now have that as part of the agreement for cat adoption. Not the shelters, but the private rescues. That and he always be an indoor cat, which our cats always have been so that wasn't an issue either. And really, the only destroyed piece of furniture we have is the chair that came from my mom's house. She had 7 cats and only one was declawed because she came that way. So the chair came to us as a pre-existing scratching post. Other than that our couch looks pristine, the dining room set is rattan and is fine. The computer chair has seen better days, but it doesn't bother me.
 
darthtang 2

darthtang 2

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It amazes me. What was clearly a tongue in cheek joke/sarcastic humorous statement, has been mistaken for a full on debate of animal cruelty.
Darth (the laughter is gone) tang.
 
mylady

mylady

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Originally Posted by darthtang 2 http:///forum/thread/383977/for-those-fish-and-dog-lovers-out-there/20#post_3362272
It amazes me. What was clearly a tongue in cheek joke/sarcastic humorous statement, has been mistaken for a full on debate of animal cruelty.
Darth (the laughter is gone) tang.
Tone within the written word cannot be read. If it's someone who posts regularly that I am familliar with, then maybe I might have a better idea of how it was intended. People need to read their posts as if a perfect stranger was reading them to figure out what could be misconstrued before posting. besides, there have been SO many people that have jumped on our industry for creative grooming it is not hard to believe someone would take one look and jump to the conclusion it was cruel. There was no hint in the post that it was meant "tongue in cheek" therefore it obviously wasn't clear. And shampoo is tested on animals by putting it in their eyes, having them ingest it, etc. Though I have a feeling THAT comment was meant to be funny, I'll just add that just in case.
 
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smartorl

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Mantisman, I agree with you totally. My point was a look at the bigger picture, how many poodles do you think were bred to produce those big, wonderful coated ones? Also, it often involves alot of inbreeding and linebreeding, which opens doors to more congenital defects.
I'm not picking on poodles, this happens everytime we breed an animal for a specific purpose, coat, athleticism, speed, etc. There are by products that flood an already overpopulated homeless animal population most end up in shelters, on the streets, or dead.
At any time, our shelter has probably more purebred dogs than mutts. It's not those pampered poodles, it's the rest of the litter who didn't turn out so close to perfect?
 
gemmy

gemmy

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Originally Posted by smartorl http:///forum/thread/383977/for-those-fish-and-dog-lovers-out-there/20#post_3362312
Mantisman, I agree with you totally. My point was a look at the bigger picture, how many poodles do you think were bred to produce those big, wonderful coated ones? Also, it often involves alot of inbreeding and linebreeding, which opens doors to more congenital defects.
I'm not picking on poodles, this happens everytime we breed an animal for a specific purpose, coat, athleticism, speed, etc. There are by products that flood an already overpopulated homeless animal population most end up in shelters, on the streets, or dead.
At any time, our shelter has probably more purebred dogs than mutts. It's not those pampered poodles, it's the rest of the litter who didn't turn out so close to perfect?
That is why people need to adopt and put the puppy mills out of business.
I saw a cocker get a mohawk today and it looked so cute.
 
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smartorl

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Yes we do. All three of my dogs are rescues, all 8 donkeys, and the majority of the horses. Also, shhhh, one cow that was a meat calf born on the ranch next door that jumped the fence and has been living the fugitive of justice role for about five years now.
 
monsinour

monsinour

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Originally Posted by smartorl http:///forum/thread/383977/for-those-fish-and-dog-lovers-out-there/20#post_3362312
Mantisman, I agree with you totally. My point was a look at the bigger picture, how many poodles do you think were bred to produce those big, wonderful coated ones? Also, it often involves alot of inbreeding and linebreeding, which opens doors to more congenital defects.
I'm not picking on poodles, this happens everytime we breed an animal for a specific purpose, coat, athleticism, speed, etc. There are by products that flood an already overpopulated homeless animal population most end up in shelters, on the streets, or dead.
At any time, our shelter has probably more purebred dogs than mutts. It's not those pampered poodles, it's the rest of the litter who didn't turn out so close to perfect?
I cant believe you are going there. You do realize that all these "dogs" are derivitives of purposeful inbreeding from mastifs and wolves? Its not like mother nature or god, pending your belief system, put a few pugs in china and said, go nuts and be fruitful and multiply. All of the breeds of dogs we have now are from meticulous breeding from mastifs and wolves.
edit: if you dont want that meat cow/steer whatever, I will take it. I am sure it would be very tasty.
 
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smartorl

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Why do you always have to be an ass? Seriously. I'm not amused nor impressed.......at all.
You have an opinion and I have mine, both can be polar opposites. This is a forum with members from around the world, different, logistics, different cultures, different values.
I don't know when you were voted the "police" here to dicate what people post and what opinions are ok. Seriously, I am over it.
You post have zero understanding of my point. I will dummy it down. To get that one fluffy poodle with hair enough to make a fishie, how many were bred? What happened to those that weren't all wonderful.
I wasn't attacking your wife, I wasn't attacking the practice, I wasn't attacking the hair cuts, I wasn't attacking the shows, I was simply making a point that there is a down side to any time specific animals are used for a specific purpose. Sorry it was not exactly on subject according to you but it's something I feel very strongly about.
 
monsinour

monsinour

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and do you have to be a condacending ass? Dumbing things down for me, a laugh. I knew I made a mistake when i actually read your post.
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smartorl

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Apparently, it was needed if you honestly think that these breeds fell from the sky.
The problem is with overbreeding for the "now" qualities that often end up destroying the breed or strain.
This is a huge problem with Great Danes, Rottweilers, Pit Bulls, to steer this away from poodles as that seems to strike a nerve.
Prior to a few days ago, I never once disrespected you, was actually supportive but lately every post of yours turns into a confrontation in some manner.
Given that you post everywhere on almost every thread, is everyone supposed stop posting if they have a differing view? Because this is very much how it seems.
You post nasty posts, a person says something back, and then you act like a victim......really are you that in the dark about how you come across?
 
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smartorl

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And because I am fuming.......when your dog was dying you got support. How dare you say that about my cow? That comment alone, out of nowhere shows just how disturbed you are. She's a pet just like my dogs and for you to make the comment that you would eat her, you can rot as far as I'm concerned.
I am a jerk for bringing the overpopulation problem because how dare I say that those dogs would be abused and you say that you will eat my pet? For real? You are a sicko. Now I have officially called you a name. Something you started doing to others weeks ago which was totally uncalled for.
 
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