Forget the Arizona Immigration Law, now you can't even show your patriotism

[crypt keeper]

Originally Posted by Dann
http:///forum/post/3266410
From a MEXICAN-American point of view, Sorry if i offend anyone, but it is a little offensive for those kids to be wearing that. Its a little because of the day. But more because of how the situation is down there. I really don't mind that they wore the flags, i mean power to them but there is people out there that do get more defensive about these things.
And as for those two kids that were 'part Mexican', i consider them white wash. They may call themselves part Mexican but up till now all of the kids or people that i have met and are part Mexican, do not really care much about their Mexican part.
Again, Sorry if i offend anyone.
Why put Mexican in all caps? Your either or. I tired of this crap. You live here you pay taxes raise your kids go to work live a life here. You are American. You dont see me calling myself German/Cuban/Lebanese American now do you? it would sound stupid as does Mexican American. Dont get me wrong. You can be proud of your heritage. Im all about it but how dare you come on here and say those kids wearing an American flag on some BS holiday that people only get drunk during it and say its offensive. Its not like it was Hanukkah and they showed up with a German Flag with a Swastika on the back. Its not s national pastime. Its not a National Holiday. It isnt July 4th. The holiday is about as dumb as Valentines day. People of every race treats it a joke to go out and drink a little.
If you make your life here IMO you are American first and whatever you say you are second.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3266417
You know this is to funny. Everybody wants to complain about "Black history month", hispanic history month, and so on and so on. You know what, THIS IS NOT OUR LAND. Everybody but the Indians should get the &^%$ out and go back to your home land. You think Americans should be the main language, dress code, etc. Well in that case, we all should be Indians and have indian names, indian clothing, etc. Think about it, they were here first. Immigrants who came over, gathered them up into reservations, and treat them like dirt. Jesus, there are more important things happening in the world then this.
Fine with me. I'm 1/8th Cherokee. When can I move into your house?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Dann
http:///forum/post/3266423
SO, then why capitalize American and spell Mexican with a lowercase m? I understand how you feel about that, and seems to me that you feel strongly about being an American, like i do about being Mexican.
Are you not a citizen of the USA? I am a mutt but mostly Danish. I don't consider myself a Danish American. I am a American because that is the country I live in. It is the country I was born in, it is my heritage.

 

[lovethesea]

so you are an American with Mexican heritage. If your family stays here your family will ultimately be "white wash" as you say. There is no way around it. People who are born here or anywhere for that matter have multiple blood lines. That why the white supremiscist are such a joke. Because their skin is white dosent mean they are all white or even all American heritage.
It doesn't matter who you are are where you are from. If you claim to be an American living on American soil that is who you need to be. My great grandfathers one from Irleland and one Canada as I stated above, did not ever once say they were anything but Americans. Did that mean they dis respected their heritage? Nope.

 

[dann]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3266427
Are you not a citizen of the USA? I am a mutt but mostly Danish. I don't consider myself a Danish American. I am a American because that is the country I live in. It is the country I was born in, it is my heritage.
Born and Raised.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3266428
so you are an American with Mexican heritage. If your family stays here your family will ultimately be "white wash" as you say. There is no way around it. People who are born here or anywhere for that matter have multiple blood lines. That why the white supremiscist are such a joke. Because their skin is white dosent mean they are all white or even all American heritage.
It doesn't matter who you are are where you are from. If you claim to be an American living on American soil that is who you need to be. My great grandfathers one from Irleland and one Canada as I stated above, did not ever once say they were anything but Americans. Did that mean they dis respected their heritage? Nope.
And that's the thing. Being proud of ones heritage is all well and fine. But when you place your haritage above your country something is wrong, very wrong and that is part of what is driving the immigration debate.

 

[dann]

Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3266428
so you are an American with Mexican heritage. If your family stays here your family will ultimately be "white wash" as you say. There is no way around it. People who are born here or anywhere for that matter have multiple blood lines. That why the white supremiscist are such a joke. Because their skin is white dosent mean they are all white or even all American heritage.
It doesn't matter who you are are where you are from. If you claim to be an American living on American soil that is who you need to be. My great grandfathers one from Irleland and one Canada as I stated above, did not ever once say they were anything but Americans. Did that mean they dis respected their heritage? Nope.
I know it is bound to happen, I never said it wouldn't. And no, its not disrespect.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Dann
http:///forum/post/3266423
SO, then why capitalize American and spell Mexican with a lowercase m? I understand how you feel about that, and seems to me that you feel strongly about being an American, like i do about being Mexican.
If you feel so strongly about your Mexican heritage, why aren't you living there? Everyone has the right to take pride in thier heritage and cultures, but you don't have the right to tell anyone who disagrees with those values, they they have to respect or abide by them. Why do Hispanics feel they have the right to push their heritage into every American culture? Why do ATM's only have 'Press 1 for English, 2 for Spanish'? Why not '3 for Italian, 4 for German'? Why does virtually every major store in this country have signs that have both Spanish and English written on them? Why don't they have French and Italian as well? I was walking through Home Depot the other night, and they had these commercials going over their PA system talking about assistance and specials. Next thing I know, they're running them in Spanish. I'M NOT MEXICAN, SPANISH, PORTUGESE, OR HONDURAN. You want to flaunt your culture? Do it in Tijuana, not Medesto.

 

[lovethesea]

so in other words, those kids were not disrespecting anything or anyone. The school district will get their hands slapped on this one trust me. Beer logos, cigs, alcohol, s3xual grapic material, obsolutely. I don't think kids from Mexico or from anywhere else that matters that wears a shirt from their country on the 4th of July to school would have this happen. For sure!

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Dann
http:///forum/post/3266415
So very true. And also, I myself don't celebrate it either. The way i see it, it is just another day for people to drink.
Also, yes they are here in America but do they really think about this on this so called "Holiday". I also agree with Bionicarm. If they were to remove these Heritage Month's and Heritage Day's, all these problems would surely stop right? Who ever wants to celebrate could celebrate in their own house and not make a big fuss over it.
What Bionic is picking up on is the use of the heritage days/months. It isn't about learning or history. It is used as a political football.

 

[dann]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3266433
If you feel so strongly about your Mexican heritage, why aren't you living there? Everyone has the right to take pride in thier heritage and cultures, but you don't have the right to tell anyone who disagrees with those values, they they have to respect or abide by them. Why do Hispanics feel they have the right to push their heritage into every American culture? Why do ATM's only have 'Press 1 for English, 2 for Spanish'? Why not '3 for Italian, 4 for German'? Why does virtually every major store in this country have signs that have both Spanish and English written on them? Why don't they have French and Italian as well? I was walking through Home Depot the other night, and they had these commercials going over their PA system talking about assistance and specials. Next thing I know, they're running them in Spanish. I'M NOT MEXICAN, SPANISH, PORTUGESE, OR HONDURAN. You want to flaunt your culture? Do it in Tijuana, not Medesto.
I acctually do live there 4 months of the year. I don't push anything of my haritage into the American culture. I am annoyed by the people who do do that. What ever i do celebrate i keep to myself and/or with my own family.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3266433
If you feel so strongly about your Mexican heritage, why aren't you living there? Everyone has the right to take pride in thier heritage and cultures, but you don't have the right to tell anyone who disagrees with those values, they they have to respect or abide by them. Why do Hispanics feel they have the right to push their heritage into every American culture? Why do ATM's only have 'Press 1 for English, 2 for Spanish'? Why not '3 for Italian, 4 for German'? Why does virtually every major store in this country have signs that have both Spanish and English written on them? Why don't they have French and Italian as well? I was walking through Home Depot the other night, and they had these commercials going over their PA system talking about assistance and specials. Next thing I know, they're running them in Spanish. I'M NOT MEXICAN, SPANISH, PORTUGESE, OR HONDURAN. You want to flaunt your culture? Do it in Tijuana, not Medesto.
I don't get why people get all upset about companies trying to cater to their clients... Personally as someone who's lived in countries that don't speak english, I'd be VERY relieved when I ran into a good english speaker. Just a break from having to think when speaking a second language.
When I was working in retail, I made a living and paid for school, because I spoke spanish. I'd seriously have a line of people waiting for me, just because I spoke their language. When I left the store, those clients would follow me.

 

[crypt keeper]

Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3266435
I don't think kids from Mexico or from anywhere else that matters that wears a shirt from their country on the 4th of July to school would have this happen. For sure!
well since schools are closed that day LOL! I kid I kid. I hear you on that. Now IMO that would be a slap in the face to America. That is our only Holiday that IMO as Nation should be celebrated as one. It has nothing to do with religion race or ---. You live here and make a life here and disrepect that Holiday there is something seriously wrong with your values as a person.

 

[handbanana]

I was wondering if I could comment on the AZ immigration law thing or is that too off topic?
At yesterdays Suns/Spurs game the suns wore their Los Suns Jerseys tho show their attitude and involvement in our immigration law. OK
I don't necessarily think the Suns should get involved but Thats the teams and their managers choice.
What kind of upset me is the news team posted the publics twitters on the subject and someone wrote "shame on you Mr. Nash for Voicing your opinion. As a Canadian please try to remember you are a guest in our country." or something to those words.
That just seems wrong to me. Why cant Steve voice his Opinion? I cant imagine hes here Illegally.
Sorry for being off topic.

 

[kjr_trig]

I of course live in Phoenix, and of course we have a large Hispanic/Mexican population. For the most part they are great people, but it annoys me how anti-American they are when it comes to things like soccer (for example) they have complete hatred for the American team, and even some Hispanics born here will root for the Mexican team. If they love Mexico so much, go back.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Dann
http:///forum/post/3266437
I acctually do live there 4 months of the year. I don't push anything of my haritage into the American culture. I am annoyed by the people who do do that. What ever i do celebrate i keep to myself and/or with my own family.
I share that part of my culture, why not? Mexican food is the bomb! (when mexican's cook it)

 

[crypt keeper]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3266438
I don't get why people get all upset about companies trying to cater to their clients... Personally as someone who's lived in countries that don't speak english, I'd be VERY relieved when I ran into a good english speaker. Just a break from having to think when speaking a second language.
When I was working in retail, I made a living and paid for school, because I spoke spanish. I'd seriously have a line of people waiting for me, just because I spoke their language. When I left the store, those clients would follow me.
so If you went to Mexico and started speaking English would you get that same turn out? No. IMO the companies cater to the needs of the lazy and everybody suffers for it. If you went to another country and only spoke Spanish you would be Sh* out of luck wouldnt you? You would be forced to learn that language wouldnt you? This gives Spanish people in Particular not to learn english. You dont see them Catering to the Asians and their different languages. Hell You dont see us catering to the Middle East either. Its BS people stand up for it.

 

[kjr_trig]

As for the AZ immigration law, far too much is being made out of it, it's not like police can walk up to a hispanic person at a grocery store and ask for proof of citizenship, they have to be doing something wrong (such as fill in the blank traffic violation), then the police can ask for proof they are here legally.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3266438
I don't get why people get all upset about companies trying to cater to their clients... Personally as someone who's lived in countries that don't speak english, I'd be VERY relieved when I ran into a good english speaker. Just a break from having to think when speaking a second language.
When I was working in retail, I made a living and paid for school, because I spoke spanish. I'd seriously have a line of people waiting for me, just because I spoke their language. When I left the store, those clients would follow me.
I remember working retail, 7-11, and people would get pissed that I didn't speak spanish.
What really bugged me, actually PO'ed me was guys would come in for a 6 pack and some cigs. I would ask "is this all" and they would say yes with just the 6 pack there. Once I rang it up and made their change (this was in the dark ages when you had to be able to make change in your head) they would say "Cigarro de Maroboro" like every time. I assume in mexico they must be rang up seperate.

 

[dann]

I don't have hatred, I respect every American holiday. About that soccer thing, not everyone is that way. I myself don't like soccer but my family does and some of my cousins that live in Mexico, cheer for America.