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bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390689/gas-prices#post_3461364
A tripling in cost, is inflation and todays cost of Jet fuel? Please explain that.
Those air force one costs are PER HOUR. Bush was 56,000 in 2004. Obama is 170K in 2011. Obamas Hawaii trip cost almost 4 million. alone. That is just the flight. Factor in everything else and it tops 4 million easily. 1 Trip.
Like I said, I do not begrudge Presidents their vacations. They are never truly on vacation. But to try and blame some lavish expenses on inflation....that is a bit much.
You missed it again. Let's say Dubya was in office today, instead of 2004. Take those 77 trips to Crawford at 170K per hour. Instead of the $259K per trip, you're now talking $777K per flight, or right at $60 MILLION for the 77 trips he made during his two terms. So Obama could take 15 trips to Hawaii in two terms to equal how much Bush spent in his two terms for those same vacations to Crawford.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///t/390689/gas-prices#post_3461539
Bionic you want to know how much Obamas Economic Policies have COST ME. I JUST SOLD MY LAST SWF tank. THATS RIGHT I am out of keeping SWF for a while I CAN NOT AFFORD IT rigth now and my wife just got a huge raise at work. I had to sell my 150 last Summer and my Nano Cube in the Fall. I held on to my 44 as long as Possible but I could not keep it with the expense of all the water Changes needed with Salt and the Feed needed for just 5 Fish in the tank. Right now my fish consit of a 55 Freshwater I got for 100 Bucks off of Craigslist That is IT. I went from over 200 Gallons of SWF to Fresh water in less than a year and I still can barely SURVIVE.
How much does each trip cost the US Taxpayers when Moochelle takes teh Girls away from the Whitehouse. About 10-15 MILLION Each time Double if Obama himself is with them. Now when Bush was President there was no Extra Secruity needed as his Ranch was in a remote area and had one road in and out. BTW they do not just rent one room they rent the Floor above and BELOW the President when he stays in a HOTEL.
You think the Secret Service stayed in some ranch house on Bush's property? Try again. Just because Crawford is out in the sticks, doesn't mean it doesn't require as much security detail. Actually there is more. You now have to monitor entire roads coming and going within at least a 5 mile radius of the house. You also have to deal with maintaining air traffic control anywhere within a few miles of his ranch while he's staying there.
Go look up the little jaunts Laura Bush took with her two girls the 8 years Dubya was in office. They even came up with ome BS excuse that they were going on some "mission" when she took the girls on an African Safari trip.
Exactly how has Obama's economic policies cost you your fish tanks? So now Obama determines the price of fish food and salt?
 

darthtang aw

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You missed it again.  Let's say Dubya was in office today, instead of 2004.  Take those 77 trips to Crawford at 170K per hour.  Instead of the $259K per trip, you're now talking $777K per flight, or right at $60 MILLION for the 77 trips he made during his two terms.  So Obama could take 15 trips to Hawaii in two terms to equal how much Bush spent in his two terms for those same vacations to Crawford.
Did you fail basic math? bush spent 20 million on his vacations...why is Obama allotted 60 million?
Oh yeah, by the way. Fuel cost to run air force One, per hour, Under Bush was 6K. During Katrina.
 

darthtang aw

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Did you fail basic math? bush spent 20 million on his vacations...why is Obama allotted 60 million?
Bionic you want to know how much Obamas Economic Policies have COST ME.  I JUST SOLD MY LAST SWF tank.  THATS RIGHT I am out of keeping SWF for a while I CAN NOT AFFORD IT rigth now and my wife just got a huge raise at work.  I had to sell my 150 last Summer and my Nano Cube in the Fall.  I held on to my 44 as long as Possible but I could not keep it with the expense of all the water Changes needed with Salt and the Feed needed for just 5 Fish in the tank.  Right now my fish consit of a 55 Freshwater I got for 100 Bucks off of Craigslist That is IT.  I went from over 200 Gallons of SWF to Fresh water in less than a year and I still can barely SURVIVE. 
Umm...I have to ask. Aren't you on SS disability? And your wife just got a huge raise. If so, how have his policies affected your income level. I understand some rising costs...But realistically, gas prices are where they were when Bush was in office his last term. Goods have gone up some. But I don't see economic policy forcing the sale of 3 saltwater tanks. Especially since you were just commenting on possibly purchasing a 4 figure gun. I know that money could support 3 saltwater tanks and their maintenance for a while.
 

ironeagle2006

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The Last 2 Years while Obama said there was NO INFLATION my income stayed the SAME. TYet here is what Increased in Price for my Family. My Water Bill is Way up why is that the COST of the Chemicals need for the Company to Treat the water and COMPLY with the NEW EPA Standards that came out since Obama was Elected. Food is way up Ground Chuck that 3 years ago was 1.75 a pound I can not get for less than 3 bucks a pound ANYWHERE let alone Chicken Breasts or other meat. Milk is well over 3 bucks a Gallon when it was under 2 bucks less than 3 years ago. My electric bill even though I have gotten rid of the Big tank is Higher now than it was 3 years ago yet I am using 1/2 the Juice. My Natural Gas bill is up 40 Bucks a Month and I am on a Budget plan for that one. My costs have gone Thru the ROOF yet the IDIOTS in DC declared there was NOT ANY INFLATION for 3 Years. When all costs went up 33% for Food and Energy I had to Cut Something. What went out the Door was my Hobbies I got rid of my SWF tanks to save my HOUSE. I needed the 100 a month I spent on them to keep making my Mortage payment.
Then throw in IL raising Income Taxes 67% on all people in the State of IL plus a few other things my NET income is LESS now than it was 3 years ago and my wife is making 2 bucks more an hour than she was 3 years ago. So Bionic tell me again how is Obama good for the Economy.
 

darthtang aw

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The breakdown makes sense.
I could argue that the rising cost of goods is healthy for the economy. But that is an economics discussion.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390689/gas-prices/20#post_3461569
Did you fail basic math? bush spent 20 million on his vacations...why is Obama allotted 60 million?
Oh yeah, by the way. Fuel cost to run air force One, per hour, Under Bush was 6K. During Katrina.
Did you ever take basic math? He spent 20 million in 2004 DOLLARS. If Bush would've taken the same amount of trips today as he did when he was in office for two terms, it would've cost him $60 million. How much would a trip to Hawaii in AF1 cost in 2004? I guarantee you it wasn't 4 million. It takes around 9 hours flight time to fly from DC to Honolulu. So if Obama would have flown that in 2004 using your 6K/hour fuel cost, his flight would've only been 108K round trip. It's all relative. Like I said, 15 trips to Hawaii would equal 77 trips to Crawford. It doesn't matter what year they were taken. Why did Bush get to spend 20 million on his vacations, when Kennedy or Johnson probably only spent a million on theirs (probably not even that)?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///t/390689/gas-prices/20#post_3461583
The Last 2 Years while Obama said there was NO INFLATION my income stayed the SAME. TYet here is what Increased in Price for my Family. My Water Bill is Way up why is that the COST of the Chemicals need for the Company to Treat the water and COMPLY with the NEW EPA Standards that came out since Obama was Elected. Food is way up Ground Chuck that 3 years ago was 1.75 a pound I can not get for less than 3 bucks a pound ANYWHERE let alone Chicken Breasts or other meat. Milk is well over 3 bucks a Gallon when it was under 2 bucks less than 3 years ago. My electric bill even though I have gotten rid of the Big tank is Higher now than it was 3 years ago yet I am using 1/2 the Juice. My Natural Gas bill is up 40 Bucks a Month and I am on a Budget plan for that one. My costs have gone Thru the ROOF yet the IDIOTS in DC declared there was NOT ANY INFLATION for 3 Years. When all costs went up 33% for Food and Energy I had to Cut Something. What went out the Door was my Hobbies I got rid of my SWF tanks to save my HOUSE. I needed the 100 a month I spent on them to keep making my Mortage payment.
Then throw in IL raising Income Taxes 67% on all people in the State of IL plus a few other things my NET income is LESS now than it was 3 years ago and my wife is making 2 bucks more an hour than she was 3 years ago. So Bionic tell me again how is Obama good for the Economy.
The cost of beef, poultry, and other meats rising is due to the massive droughts this country faced the last year. Less hay, sorgham, etc. was grown, so feed prices soared. All those industries aren't going to eat their profits they lost due to higher feed costs, so the consumer pays for it. Same goes for your milk, eggs, bread, and any other grain food products.
If I'm not mistaken, Illinois experienced higher than normal temperatures this last year, so it takes more fuel to keep the electricity flowing. But of course, this has nothing to do with global warming.

So exactly how is Obama responsible for the Illinois State Income Taxes skyrocketing? Sounds like you need to take Darth's advice. If you don't like the costs in Illinois, pack up and move somewhere elese where it's more affordable.
 

darthtang aw

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Did you ever take basic math?  He spent 20 million in 2004 DOLLARS.  If Bush would've taken the same amount of trips today as he did when he was in office for two terms, it would've cost him $60 million. How much would a trip to Hawaii in AF1 cost in 2004?  I guarantee you it wasn't 4 million.  It takes around 9 hours flight time to fly from DC to Honolulu.  So if Obama would have flown that in 2004 using your 6K/hour fuel cost, his flight would've only been 108K round trip.  It's all relative.  Like I said, 15 trips to Hawaii would equal 77 trips to Crawford.  It doesn't matter what year they were taken.  Why did Bush get to spend 20 million on his vacations, when Kennedy or Johnson probably only spent a million on theirs (probably not even that)?
*sigh*
Jet fuel per gallon has doubled since Katrina. So we can agree per hour jet fuel cost for air force one is 12,000 dollars. This should move the 56,000 dollar price to 68,000 dollars. So explain to me why we are using equivalent statistics to compare cost. You can't tell me the secret service, and everything else involved with Air force one tripled in that time frame. The reason Obamas trips cost more is because he has more staff, more reporters, more lobbyists, more aids and so on. The point is...Bush ran leaner than Obama with his vacations. I am not even factoring in the military cargo plane and convoy brought along for each of these trips.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390689/gas-prices/20#post_3461597
*sigh*
Jet fuel per gallon has doubled since Katrina. So we can agree per hour jet fuel cost for air force one is 12,000 dollars. This should move the 56,000 dollar price to 68,000 dollars. So explain to me why we are using equivalent statistics to compare cost. You can't tell me the secret service, and everything else involved with Air force one tripled in that time frame. The reason Obamas trips cost more is because he has more staff, more reporters, more lobbyists, more aids and so on. The point is...Bush ran leaner than Obama with his vacations. I am not even factoring in the military cargo plane and convoy brought along for each of these trips.
Bush ran more leaner? Prove that. Why would Obama pay expenses for reporters or lobbyists? The cargo plane was used to bring all the ancilliary transportation to Hawaii (limo's helicopters, etc.). I suppose Bush didn't have to worry about that when he went home to Crawford?
I found this -
Obama’s round-trip flight to Hawaii on Air Force One is estimated to be the largest expense associated with the vacation. According to the Air Force, it apparently costs $181,757 per flight hour to run the nation’s most secure (and probably its most lavish) aircraft. Thus, the total for the nine-hour trip from Washington to Hawaii and then back again will come in at $3,271,611.
And let’s not forget that a USAF C-17 cargo plane is also needed to bring Presidential limos, helicopters and other essentials along. This, too, comes at the tune of thousands of dollars. Plus, there’s security for the president and his family. A team of between four and six Marine Corps will travel along on a separate flight and require per diem and hotel, coming in at $258,000 (estimated).
So yes, the price to fly AF1 more than tripled since Bush left office.
 

xcali1985

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I tend to stay out of the political realm, however, I think you guys/gals give too much credit and blame to the POTUS. The president sets the agenda, he inspires a country, he is essentially a figure head, that we are to turn to show stability. His actions are useless without a CONGRESS that will work with him. CONGRESS is useless without MEMBERS who are willing to give and take.
Believe it or not our foreign policy has more to do with gas prices than our domestic economic policies. When countries that supply oil are threatened or in the news such as IRAN has been with the debates going on, it highlights weaknesses and speculation in the market, therefore inflating prices.
Prices of goods will ALWAYS increase no matter what the economic state, that is the nature of business these days. Companies won't put profit margins in jeopardy, I live in Las Vegas, one of the worst hit areas during this time. I can tell you first hand, that when I see foreclosures I don't think of the POTUS, I think of the families that have no where to go. I think of the banks that told these people they were going to be ok when it was all going good and now unwilling to help them out.
I fortunately am doing well in this currently economic time, GOD WILLING, it stays that way, however, I have to agree with my conservative side that there is not enough personal responsibility for actions. People over reach, they live in the now and don't think 5 years down the road. They are content with instant satisfaction and when they sign a contract for the big TV, house, car, etc. they see what's in front of them and not what's down the road.
Now, before everyone jumps on me, their are victims of the agendas that this POTUS has set, there are victims of a "do nothing" CONGRESS, however, for every economic, political, foreign policy that is passed someone will feel slighted.
I have witnessed people, some in my own family sit on unemployment and pass up jobs because they made more sitting at home, than working. However, I have friends that I watch go out everyday to find jobs and never get a phone call back. I as a manager, interview countless potential employees a year, who tell me they have been searching for a year sometimes longer.
I have had men and women stand in front of me and beg me to hire them, telling me they will clean toilets and hand scrub floors, with tears in their eyes, trying to make enough money to feed their families.
Seeing this everyday humbles you, makes you step back and take notice of the things you have, when I go home and tuck my daughter into bed and lay next to my boss, lol, I thank GOD that I have everything I have, and if I never had anything more than what I have now, I would die a happy man.
Went on a little rant there I know, but I listen to people look for anyone to blame, anyone to be their outlet, when sometimes, if they look and say, did I really need the 52" TV instead of the 42" that was 150$ cheaper would I be better off now. It's a keeping up with the Jones' attitude that seems to be killing this country, from politicians catering to the rich and famous, who can almost personally fund a campaign now, to the individual citizen who thinks that the guy across the street has the life he wants, only to see a month later a UHAUL in the driveway and a for sale sign in the front yard.
I sympathize with the gentleman that had to sell his tanks, growing up I watched my dad struggle to take care of his family, working 12 hour days 6 days a week. My mom going days without eating dinner so that we could. They both are doing well in life and benefited from "social" programs that helped them maintain while they worked to improve their lives and the lives of my brothers and sister. Because of growing up and seeing them work hard early in life and now sit and enjoy the fruits of their labor, I now have a drive to work hard.
I listen to people complain about the economy all the time as they drink a $8 Bud Light at the bar, or over a 45$ Steak at dinner, or as they smoke a 8$ pack of cigarettes a day. I wonder if they actually look at themselves as part of the reason that they are where they are. Instead of the POTUS or CONGRESS, a lot of times you can improve your situation, by grabbing yourself by the boot straps and realizing that the NOW may not be good for the LATER.
END OF RANT!
 

darthtang aw

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Bush ran more leaner?  Prove that.  Why would Obama pay expenses for reporters or lobbyists?  The cargo plane was used to bring all the ancilliary transportation to Hawaii (limo's helicopters, etc.).  I suppose Bush didn't have to worry about that when he went home to Crawford?
I found this -
Obama’s round-trip flight to Hawaii on Air Force One is estimated to be the largest expense associated with the vacation. According to the Air Force, it apparently costs $181,757 per flight hour to run the nation’s most secure (and probably its most lavish) aircraft. Thus, the total for the nine-hour trip from Washington to Hawaii and then back again will come in at $3,271,611.
And let’s not forget that a USAF C-17 cargo plane is also needed to bring Presidential limos, helicopters and other essentials along. This, too, comes at the tune of thousands of dollars. Plus, there’s security for the president and his family. A team of between four and six Marine Corps will travel along on a separate flight and require per diem and hotel, coming in at $258,000 (estimated).
So yes, the price to fly AF1 more than tripled since Bush left office.
Stop and think about what you said. In four years, the cost to operate airforce one tripled.
Here is what I "think". The cost per presidential flight is classified. However, the defense department has 181 million dollars in travel budget for the President annually. No more, no less. Meaning, each President, spent 181 million dollars on travel each year.
 

reefraff

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And like I said WAAAAY upthread. Imagine the liberal panty bunching if Bush had taken a vacation in Spain, Hawaii, Vail or saddled the US taxpayers with a 100,000 dollar bill for a date night for a broadway play with unemployment at 10%. And anyone who thinks it costs as much to provide security at Bush's ranch in Texas as it does at a resort in a foreign country must have taken math lessons from Barney "Freddie and Faany are great" Frank.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/390689/gas-prices/20#post_3461623
And like I said WAAAAY upthread. Imagine the liberal panty bunching if Bush had taken a vacation in Spain, Hawaii, Vail or saddled the US taxpayers with a 100,000 dollar bill for a date night for a broadway play with unemployment at 10%. And anyone who thinks it costs as much to provide security at Bush's ranch in Texas as it does at a resort in a foreign country must have taken math lessons from Barney "Freddie and Faany are great" Frank.
Hawaii is a foreign country?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390689/gas-prices/20#post_3461603
Stop and think about what you said. In four years, the cost to operate airforce one tripled.
Here is what I "think". The cost per presidential flight is classified. However, the defense department has 181 million dollars in travel budget for the President annually. No more, no less. Meaning, each President, spent 181 million dollars on travel each year.
What you propose should be what's mandated. If they allocate 181 million to the POTUS budget for travel, that's all he gets to use during his four year term. If he wants to blow it on 10 trips to Hawaii, as opposed to taking 50 trips to Chicago, or 40 trip to Vail, that's his business. Once he spends the 181 mil, he's done taking vacations on taxpayer's money. That includes shuttling around family and security details.
 
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