gas prices

[darthtang aw]

What you propose should be what's mandated.  If they allocate 181 million to the POTUS budget for travel, that's all he gets to use during his four year term.  If he wants to blow it on 10 trips to Hawaii, as opposed to taking 50 trips to Chicago, or 40 trip to Vail, that's his business.  Once he spends the 181 mil, he's done taking vacations on taxpayer's money.  That includes shuttling around family and security details.
 
that budget is also for world trips and conferences with other world leaders. i didnt propose that budget...that is the way it is.

 

[snakeblitz33]

What happens when we pass peak oil production and the price of a gallon of gas is such that no one can afford to fill up their tanks? It takes oil to produce enough food for 309 million Americans to eat every day. So if the cost of producing that food goes up, so will the price of food. What then?

 

[deejeff442]

just in my business i spend $50-$100 a working day for fuel.its gotten nuts out there.my friend owns a lawn servise ,so everything he uses takes gas.he is hurting.he has had gas cans stolen from his trailer when he is out working.

 

[mantisman51]

All I know for sure is that the policy of restricting supply and driving up the cost of petroleum to get alternative energy fast-tracked has not worked. There is no alternative energy that can replace petroleum. There is no alternative energy even on the horizon that has the potential to replace petroleum. Nuclear power is the only legitimate replacement and we know Obama and his green fascist allies will fight that as hard as they do coal and oil. I was very hopeful for alternative energy, but it is now clear it is not feasible for our generation to subside on alternative energy. Obama's policies are the failed policies of the past-the Utopians like him have lost the argument by the realities of our day. Though he now claims to be on the side of real energy progress, we all now know he will kill the American economy to keep the Utopian dream of a fossil fuel-less society alive if given another term.

 

[snakeblitz33]

People need to ride more motorcycles, bicycles and trikes and solar powered small vehicles and produce local food for themselves and sell the excess. I'm expecting oil to run very thin within my lifetime and certainly within my daughters.
I already run a garden, as close to organic as I can. I ride a bike to and from work simply because I can't afford to fill up two cars a week. I can see now that we are headed for a global disaster because of our company run government and our dependence on oil for energy.

 

[reefraff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/390689/gas-prices/40#post_3461748
People need to ride more motorcycles, bicycles and trikes and solar powered small vehicles and produce local food for themselves and sell the excess. I'm expecting oil to run very thin within my lifetime and certainly within my daughters.
I already run a garden, as close to organic as I can. I ride a bike to and from work simply because I can't afford to fill up two cars a week. I can see now that we are headed for a global disaster because of our company run government and our dependence on oil for energy.
Oil isn't the problem. It;s the boobs who push the pie in the sky notion there is a replacement energy source for hydro carbons at the present time.

 

[snakeblitz33]

Quote:Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/390689/gas-prices/40#post_3461785
Oil isn't the problem. It;s the boobs who push the pie in the sky notion there is a replacement energy source for hydro carbons at the present time.
 
 


We can't continue to consume hydrocarbons at the rate at which we are now. In order for people to survive, we need to learn to live on less energy, work locally, use alternative means of transport and grow our own food locally.
There is no alternative energy source out there now that will support life as we know it today if oil/gas were to all be used. We as a society need to get back to the basics. But I hate the hypocrit in office now that tells us to live on less.

 

[darthtang aw]

Quote:Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/390689/gas-prices/40#post_3461785
Oil isn't the problem. It;s the boobs who push the pie in the sky notion there is a replacement energy source for hydro carbons at the present time.
 
 


We can't continue to consume hydrocarbons at the rate at which we are now. In order for people to survive, we need to learn to live on less energy, work locally, use alternative means of transport and grow our own food locally.
There is no alternative energy source out there now that will support life as we know it today if oil/gas were to all be used. We as a society need to get back to the basics. But I hate the hypocrit in office now that tells us to live on less.
i am not so sure that hydrocarbon fuel is not finite. many wells we capped in the past 10 to 20be years due to low output have been reopenned and producing at the rate as when first drilled. i b elieve if we were to tap more wells in areas and rotate drilling wells we would be fine for a very long time.

 

[bionicarm]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390689/gas-prices/40#post_3461805
i am not so sure that hydrocarbon fuel is not finite. many wells we capped in the past 10 to 20be years due to low output have been reopenned and producing at the rate as when first drilled. i b elieve if we were to tap more wells in areas and rotate drilling wells we would be fine for a very long time.
Some estimates of the total world oil reserves underground are 2 - 3 trillion barrels. There are debates of what percentage of those barrels are extractable, or whether it's cost prohibitive to extract them at all (cost more to extract and refine than you can sell it for). At current rates, the world consumes approximately 80 million barrels of oil per day (2009 estimates). http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption That is predicted to increase to 120 million barrels per day by 2030. So let's average it out to 100 million per day, doing the simple math, and all known world supply's that can be POTENTIALLY extracted would last a little over 82 more years.

 

[snakeblitz33]

But then again, at what cost?
If I can't afford to put gas in my car at almost $4 a gallon, I definitely won't be able to at $8 a gallon in the near future. What about the cost of shipping our food supplies 1500 miles on average to our local grocery stores? cost of that goes up, food prices go up. Starvation, disease and disrepair set in.
Even if we have 82 years of oil left, the cost of extracting it goes way up. What will my kids and grand kids have to look forward to?

 

[dragonzim]

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/390689/gas-prices/40#post_3461833
But then again, at what cost?
If I can't afford to put gas in my car at almost $4 a gallon, I definitely won't be able to at $8 a gallon in the near future. What about the cost of shipping our food supplies 1500 miles on average to our local grocery stores? cost of that goes up, food prices go up. Starvation, disease and disrepair set in.
Even if we have 82 years of oil left, the cost of extracting it goes way up. What will my kids and grand kids have to look forward to?
You could always get a car that gets better mileage... I went from a truck that got 16mpg to a car that gets 45-50mpg. Saves me about $100 a week in gas...

 

[mantisman51]

I've taken the opposite route, I paid off my pickup and (wait why did the writing turn italicized?) bought an old Plymouth Acclaim that gets 30 mpg after my PT Cruiser convertible was totaled a couple years ago. I have no car payment and my insurance for 4 old cars is lower than 1 financed car. I am paying $650 less a month in car and insurance payments. Yes there is a little more maintenance, but I do all my own work and only spend, maybe, $300 a year in parts. And the fact my Dodge and Plymouth are lasting like Toyota owners pretend their junk does, means while I feel the pain of rising gas, it isn't catastrophic financially anymore.

 

[snakeblitz33]

Sure, let me rush out and buy a new car today. Lol. I can't. My wife is in school, I don't make enough. I have to fix my own cars until they completely fall apart and even then, I have to buy cash cars just to get by. I'm in the same position as millions of other Americans who can't do that. It sounds good, but in reality that wouldn't work.
If someone buys a car with 50mpg then guess what? They are still using fossil fuels to run it. What happEns when it doesn't matter how many mpg a car gets if the person driving it can't afford the gas?

 

[deejeff442]

i have no use for a car.i work construction and have 3 pick ups and my wife has a gmc yukon she needs to pick up hay and pellets for the animals.so buying a high mpg car is out.

 

[mantisman51]

I have my pickup and an old 75 Chevy van for work and hauling and 2 older cars for commuting or running for groceries. There are times I don't run my truck or van for 2 weeks, then times I drive them everyday for a couple weeks. I can haul whatever I need to and still get good mileage if I don't have any stuff to move.

 

[dragonzim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/390689/gas-prices/40#post_3461868
Sure, let me rush out and buy a new car today. Lol. I can't. My wife is in school, I don't make enough. I have to fix my own cars until they completely fall apart and even then, I have to buy cash cars just to get by. I'm in the same position as millions of other Americans who can't do that. It sounds good, but in reality that wouldn't work.
If someone buys a car with 50mpg then guess what? They are still using fossil fuels to run it. What happEns when it doesn't matter how many mpg a car gets if the person driving it can't afford the gas?
You can get a 15 year old honda for a few grand that will still get you 35-40mpg...

 

[reefraff]

Yep and the dirty little secret about alternative fuel cars is you still have to power them. It costs more to charge a Chevy volt than it does to run it on gas.

 

[deejeff442]

even if it didnt cost so much for the electric to charge it .you would still not break even over a gas car .since the price of these battery cars cost way more than gas cars.its a no win with them.it was just all hype

 

[snakeblitz33]

Yep. All hype.
My advice: buy a scooter or a bicycle while their in stock. Lol.
82 years of gas left. When will someone realize that isn't actually a very long time? We are talking about our grandchildren.

 

[reefraff]

Scooters are a great alternative. They've been selling the heck out of Vespa's for a few years.