Gifford Shooting-Let The Left-Wing Spin Begin

[mantisman51]

Here's an interesting thought from the Guardian, a British newspaper. Interesting how they are able to blame conservatives in general and specifically Sarah Palin:
Giffords's Tuscon constituency office was vandalised last March after she voted in favour of Barack Obama's controversial health bill, which has been bitterly opposed by the American right. Giffords had been named as a political campaign target for conservatives in November's elections by former Alaskan governor Sarah Palin for her strong support of Obama's reforms. Palin had published a "target map" on her website using images of gun sights to identify 20 House Democrats, including Giffords, for backing the new health care law.
BTW, when you hear what a centrist and conservative Democratic she is, remember she voted to defund the border fence; she voted for abortion coverage in the healthcare bill and the healthcare bill itself; she voted to force homosexuals in the military and she voted for the "stimulus" bill. Now I know our left-wing friends are going to cry, "She just got shot and you are politicizing this already. What a disgrace." However, I am merely pointing out that the left is going to use this tragedy as an opportunity to trash all conservatives and make this VERY POLITICAL.
I disagree with her strongly, but America is a country who's foundation is the rule of law. There is NEVER an excuse for this kind of violence. I hope the perpetrator is punished severely and rots in prison for life, if not given a needle. My prayers go out to her family and all the other victims as well. As of now, she is alive and hopefully will recover completely. No one deserves this.

 

[theclemsonkid]

I'll just leave it at this: It's a shame that any political party has to be so extreme as to fuel the type of hatred required to make a man do something like this. Granted I am only 29 years old, but never in my life have I remembered the politics of hatred being so front and center in the political arena. Heck, even me and all my Bushie bashers back in the 2000's never openly talked about wanting to "kill" the guy. And I think that is because we really didn't want to see him harmed, just out of office...
What scares me, is that the extreme right, and especially the wack job libertarians, militia men, tea party folks and everyone else on that side of the aisle seem to act like this is more of a war than anything else. Politics is NOT war, but they scare me because a lot of them talk like it is heading in that direction. The whole "overthrow your government at any cost because that's what the constitution says you should do" thing is really frightening to me. No one in their right mind should do what this guy did, period.
It will be VERY interesting to hear the story of the guy who did it. I'm praying that he was just some complete nut bag with all his screws loose that escaped the crazy bin and got a hold of a gun. What I don't want to hear, is that he was a die hard constitutionalist who was doing what he felt was justified by said document...
Guess we'll have to wait and see

 

[reefraff]

It was a complete wack job if they youtube videos being attributed to him are correct.
Clemson, your post displays a shocking level of complete ignorance or blind zealotry.

 

[theclemsonkid]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346645
It was a complete wack job if they youtube videos being attributed to him are correct.
Clemson, your post displays a shocking level of complete ignorance or blind zealotry.
And why is that exactly?

 

[wangotango]

Taken down after:
Not saying that it was the right or "tea baggers" but with all the "we gotta take back the country" and "evil socialist facist agendas" "we need to be afraid of Obama and his policies" etc rhetoric that seems to come from that direction, it takes one crazy person who takes these words seriously to do something like this. The fact that her office was vandalized and she received death threads about her stance on healthcare reform then this happens only makes it seem (to me at least) that this is what caused this.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346649
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346645
It was a complete wack job if they youtube videos being attributed to him are correct.
Clemson, your post displays a shocking level of complete ignorance or blind zealotry.
And why is that exactly?
"What scares me, is that the extreme right, and especially the wack job libertarians, militia men, tea party folks and everyone else on that side of the aisle seem to act like this is more of a war than anything else."
"The whole "overthrow your government at any cost because that's what the constitution says you should do" thing is really frightening to me. No one in their right mind should do what this guy did, period."
I'll give you a lot of the milita's are nut jobs. Of course when was the last time you heard of one of them actually backing up their big mouth with actions? On the other hand the left has their Anarchists who cause damage every time the G20 or whatever it is now meets or the eco terrorists who torch car lots and houses. Don't give me this crap that the rhetoric is on one side and not the other. Eric Cantor had his office shot up for his opposition to the Obama care bill. Only Violence I know of associated with the Tea Party was when a couple SEIU union good beat up a Tea Party supporter because they didn't like the buttons he was selling at an event. I haven't ever heard any credible member of the Tea Party suggest overthrowing the government. You might dig up a wacko member here and there but you don't think the left has their fair share of those too.
What is really sad is this woman is what I consider to be a Good Democrat. Not enough of them left, hope she pulls through.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by WangoTango http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346652
Taken down after:
Not saying that it was the right or "tea baggers" but with all the "we gotta take back the country" and "evil socialist facist agendas" "we need to be afraid of Obama and his policies" etc rhetoric that seems to come from that direction, it takes one crazy person who takes these words seriously to do something like this. The fact that her office was vandalized and she received death threads about her stance on healthcare reform then this happens only makes it seem (to me at least) that this is what caused this.
But what's really funny is if you listen to the bloggers your picture above is bullseyes or cross hairs on the faces of democrats.
Listen to some of the Democrat's statements about W and tell me which direction all the heated rhetoric and nasty language comes from again.

 

[wangotango]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346666
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Listen to some of the Democrat's statements about W and tell me which direction all the heated rhetoric and nasty language comes from again.
How many people have died from the result of Democrat rhetoric? Not saying there isn't nasty stuff said on that side either, but how much of it goes from yelling at each other and "Bush is evil" signs to targeting a US congressperson, federal judge, and innocent bystanders?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by WangoTango http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346678
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346666
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Listen to some of the Democrat's statements about W and tell me which direction all the heated rhetoric and nasty language comes from again.
How many people have died from the result of Democrat rhetoric?
How many have died from Republican Rhetoric?
The guy's favorite books list on youtube included Mien Kapft The Communist manifesto and fahrenheit 451. You sure he isn't a left winger?

 

[mantisman51]

He is a lefty. An anonymous "relative" gave an interview on the local tv station said the shooter was worried the right wing was taking over the country and the Democrat party. Funny thing is the congresswoman voted 97% with Pelosi and then would come back to Az and openly lie about how she voted. She voted for the border fence, then a few months later voted for the amendment to a Immigration and Customs Enforcement funding bill to defund the fence. She said she was against government mandated abortion coverage then voted for the amendment to cover abortion. She said she would vote against any attempt at government takeover of healthcare, then voted for Obamacare. She said she was against repealing DADT and just voted to repeal it. The left-wing whack job tried to kill someone on his side of the political spectrum, unless the judge was his intended target. He was known here as a very conservative federal judge. Also, keep your ears open for the announcement of a second shooter. An emergency room doctor who was 5 feet from the congresswoman when she was shot said he and several others there saw a second guy in his early 20's running from the scene after they tackled the guy they caught. He had 1 semi-auto pistol and he couldn't have shot that many people because they tackled him before he could load his second clip.

 

[kjr_trig]

Left/Right, who really cares, this guy was a whack job like RiffRaff said....If he was a "Political Whacko", so be it....He was still a whacko. It's a tragedy, I would rather not make it about politics when it's just one nut job expressing his views with a gun.
Opps, I mean Reefraff.

 

[reefraff]

I don't think this guy was a result of either side. He appears to be left wing about like the unibomber was and that guy was just a wack job malcontent looking for an excuse rather than promoting a cause. When one of this guys family members goes on the record saying he was politically motivated or they find some other evidence I'll buy it. So far there isn't much to show this guy was motivated by anything but the voices that only talk to him

 

[mantisman51]

Well, I agree with you both. But, as the thread title, the media jumped on the "right wing wacko" train right off the bat. The doctor who operated on Giffords said it was a wound that was in and out in the front of her skull. So, God willing, she'll probably recover well. I disagree with her 97% of the time, but I am thankful her prognosis is positive. The Chief of Police confirmed that there is a second subject who was a party to this, but no one has been named yet. For those who believe in it, let's pray for her and the others. There's five more people who are critical and they're not sure if they'll make it.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346777
Well, I agree with you both. But, as the thread title, the media jumped on the "right wing wacko" train right off the bat. The doctor who operated on Giffords said it was a wound that was in and out in the front of her skull. So, God willing, she'll probably recover well. I disagree with her 97% of the time, but I am thankful her prognosis is positive. The Chief of Police confirmed that there is a second subject who was a party to this, but no one has been named yet. For those who believe in it, let's pray for her and the others. There's five more people who are critical and they're not sure if they'll make it.
Oh it's more than just the media. Pretty sad all the way around.

 

[oscardeuce]

Quote:Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346681
How many have died from Republican Rhetoric?
 
The guy's favorite books list on youtube included Mien Kapft The Communist manifesto and fahrenheit 451. You sure he isn't a left winger?
 
I pray for those injured and murdered.
Again the left press goes right to blaming the right.
The Communist Manifesto is not a right leaning document.
Blame the right, gun owners, the NRA anyone but the person who decided they wanted to speak with a gun. Heck, I'll start the IV to send him where he deserves.

 

[fishtaco]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346814
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346777
Well, I agree with you both. But, as the thread title, the media jumped on the "right wing wacko" train right off the bat. The doctor who operated on Giffords said it was a wound that was in and out in the front of her skull. So, God willing, she'll probably recover well. I disagree with her 97% of the time, but I am thankful her prognosis is positive. The Chief of Police confirmed that there is a second subject who was a party to this, but no one has been named yet. For those who believe in it, let's pray for her and the others. There's five more people who are critical and they're not sure if they'll make it.
Oh it's more than just the media. Pretty sad all the way around.
It is pretty sad, if I put a cross-hair and target on someone and people got shot like this by some whackjob regardless of motivation, I don't know how I would live with myself. Palin is like I have always said, low-classed scum. She put a target on this person and they got shot, nothing to argue at all, it is just the idea that you don't do that to people who are your fellow American's period. She is done now, too bad she made enough money off peoples good nature to be comfortable for the rest of her life. No excuse cuts it.
Fishtaco

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346865
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346814
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346777
Well, I agree with you both. But, as the thread title, the media jumped on the "right wing wacko" train right off the bat. The doctor who operated on Giffords said it was a wound that was in and out in the front of her skull. So, God willing, she'll probably recover well. I disagree with her 97% of the time, but I am thankful her prognosis is positive. The Chief of Police confirmed that there is a second subject who was a party to this, but no one has been named yet. For those who believe in it, let's pray for her and the others. There's five more people who are critical and they're not sure if they'll make it.
Oh it's more than just the media. Pretty sad all the way around.
It is pretty sad, if I put a cross-hair and target on someone and people got shot like this by some whackjob regardless of motivation, I don't know how I would live with myself. Palin is like I have always said, low-classed scum. She put a target on this person and they got shot, nothing to argue at all, it is just the idea that you don't do that to people who are your fellow American's period. She is done now, too bad she made enough money off peoples good nature to be comfortable for the rest of her life. No excuse cuts it.
Fishtaco
Why would Palin be done? This guy was described as a dope smoking loner by a classmate, has at least one arrest for drugs, is Anti Religion, Lists books such as the Communist Manifesto and Mien Kampft as his favorites. Do you seriously think this is someone who would be taking motivation from Palin or the Tea Party? I know the bloggers and BSNBC crowd are working overtime to try to paint that picture but the more that comes out about this guy the more it looks like he was about as far from right wing as you can get.
Sad truth is he is just a wack job who tried to check out in a high profile fashion. You want to go back to all the nasty crap that the Democrats said about Gerald Ford before the two wack jobs tried to take him out, or Reagan? If we start censoring based on what some loon might take for motivation to do something crazy it's going to get awfully boring.

 

[fishtaco]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346901
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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346865
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346814
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346777
Well, I agree with you both. But, as the thread title, the media jumped on the "right wing wacko" train right off the bat. The doctor who operated on Giffords said it was a wound that was in and out in the front of her skull. So, God willing, she'll probably recover well. I disagree with her 97% of the time, but I am thankful her prognosis is positive. The Chief of Police confirmed that there is a second subject who was a party to this, but no one has been named yet. For those who believe in it, let's pray for her and the others. There's five more people who are critical and they're not sure if they'll make it.
Oh it's more than just the media. Pretty sad all the way around.
It is pretty sad, if I put a cross-hair and target on someone and people got shot like this by some whackjob regardless of motivation, I don't know how I would live with myself. Palin is like I have always said, low-classed scum. She put a target on this person and they got shot, nothing to argue at all, it is just the idea that you don't do that to people who are your fellow American's period. She is done now, too bad she made enough money off peoples good nature to be comfortable for the rest of her life. No excuse cuts it.
Fishtaco
Why would Palin be done? This guy was described as a dope smoking loner by a classmate, has at least one arrest for drugs, is Anti Religion, Lists books such as the Communist Manifesto and Mien Kampft as his favorites. Do you seriously think this is someone who would be taking motivation from Palin or the Tea Party? I know the bloggers and BSNBC crowd are working overtime to try to paint that picture but the more that comes out about this guy the more it looks like he was about as far from right wing as you can get.
Sad truth is he is just a wack job who tried to check out in a high profile fashion. You want to go back to all the nasty crap that the Democrats said about Gerald Ford before the two wack jobs tried to take him out, or Reagan? If we start censoring based on what some loon might take for motivation to do something crazy it's going to get awfully boring.
It does not matter what this whackjobs motivation is at all, the fact remains PALIN put a target on this person, now a bunch of people are dead including a 9 year old girl. What she did is not okay and I guess you would love it if I put your name out on the internet with a list of wrongs you done the conservative party with a crosshair on your face. You really need to figure it out here Reef and yes she is DONE except I guess for people like yourself who will excuse the queens behavior because she is conservative royalty these days. Maybe it would be a good idea if politicians could stop putting cross-hairs on the opposite party, stop using words like "reload" and also maybe people can put away the signs with an AR-15 on them saying they came unarmed this time and just maybe people first guess will not be that this is the work of some crazy conservative. Can you comprehend any of this?
Fishtaco

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346926
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346901
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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346865
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346814
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346777
Well, I agree with you both. But, as the thread title, the media jumped on the "right wing wacko" train right off the bat. The doctor who operated on Giffords said it was a wound that was in and out in the front of her skull. So, God willing, she'll probably recover well. I disagree with her 97% of the time, but I am thankful her prognosis is positive. The Chief of Police confirmed that there is a second subject who was a party to this, but no one has been named yet. For those who believe in it, let's pray for her and the others. There's five more people who are critical and they're not sure if they'll make it.
Oh it's more than just the media. Pretty sad all the way around.
It is pretty sad, if I put a cross-hair and target on someone and people got shot like this by some whackjob regardless of motivation, I don't know how I would live with myself. Palin is like I have always said, low-classed scum. She put a target on this person and they got shot, nothing to argue at all, it is just the idea that you don't do that to people who are your fellow American's period. She is done now, too bad she made enough money off peoples good nature to be comfortable for the rest of her life. No excuse cuts it.
Fishtaco
Why would Palin be done? This guy was described as a dope smoking loner by a classmate, has at least one arrest for drugs, is Anti Religion, Lists books such as the Communist Manifesto and Mien Kampft as his favorites. Do you seriously think this is someone who would be taking motivation from Palin or the Tea Party? I know the bloggers and BSNBC crowd are working overtime to try to paint that picture but the more that comes out about this guy the more it looks like he was about as far from right wing as you can get.
Sad truth is he is just a wack job who tried to check out in a high profile fashion. You want to go back to all the nasty crap that the Democrats said about Gerald Ford before the two wack jobs tried to take him out, or Reagan? If we start censoring based on what some loon might take for motivation to do something crazy it's going to get awfully boring.
It does not matter what this whackjobs motivation is at all, the fact remains PALIN put a target on this person, now a bunch of people are dead including a 9 year old girl. What she did is not okay and I guess you would love it if I put your name out on the internet with a list of wrongs you done the conservative party with a crosshair on your face. You really need to figure it out here Reef and yes she is DONE except I guess for people like yourself who will excuse the queens behavior because she is conservative royalty these days. Maybe it would be a good idea if politicians could stop putting cross-hairs on the opposite party, stop using words like "reload" and also maybe people can put away the signs with an AR-15 on them saying they came unarmed this time and just maybe people first guess will not be that this is the work of some crazy conservative. Can you comprehend any of this?
Fishtaco
Obviously you are getting all your anti Palin rhetoric from some blogger rather than exploring the issue for yourself. The Palin cross hairs deal is even posted in this thread. YOU SEE ANY FACES WITH CROSS HAIRS ON THEM? You are doing EXACTLY what you are ripping into Palin for.
So in your mind Chevy Chase bares some responsibility for the two hits on Gerald Ford and the Democrats as a whole who portrayed Reagan as a trigger happy Cowboy helped lead John Hinkley to shoot him. Now I understand. Anything anyone says about another person has a bearing on what will happen to them for the rest of their life.
They should place your post beneath the term Palin Delusional Syndrome LOL! Good lord man you got to let go of the hate. Her flame will burn itself out soon enough, you left wingers should just ignore her, she will fade away.

 

[oscardeuce]

Quote:Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/383022/gifford-shooting-let-the-left-wing-spin-begin#post_3346926
It does not matter what this whackjobs motivation is at all, the fact remains PALIN put a target on this person, now a bunch of people are dead including a 9 year old girl. What she did is not okay and I guess you would love it if I put your name out on the internet with a list of wrongs you done the conservative party with a crosshair on your face. You really need to figure it out here Reef and yes she is DONE except I guess for people like yourself who will excuse the queens behavior because she is conservative royalty these days. Maybe it would be a good idea if politicians could stop putting cross-hairs on the opposite party, stop using words like "reload" and also maybe people can put away the signs with an AR-15 on them saying they came unarmed this time and just maybe people first guess will not be that this is the work of some crazy conservative. Can you comprehend any of this?
 
Fishtaco
 
What about the movie "death of a President"? A sniper shot President Bush in that movie. There was hardly a peep that a movie would depict the assassination of a sitting President.
There is a difference between targeting a person politically, and with a gun. You get that?