God vs Satan question

[peef]

Ok so this is totally not a place to try and convert/bash people and isn't the point of my, I guess question....that being said here it is
So I had a dream last night ok. Now I am not religious at all I spent years going to church and just decided nah not for me BUT I did pay attention. So in the bible somewhere I know it says that Satan will tempt everyone. And that his disguises will be the more ruethless and cunning than could ever be imagined....or something along those lines.
So in my dream I came to the realization that God was not God and that he/she/it was really satan and that was his most cunning of disguises. Making us think he was god. And being that, THAT was why more people have been killed in the name of religion why more people have lost friends and family and so on and so forth than ANY other reason. And why there are SO many different gods, to each religion their own yah know. Because he appears in what form you want to see him. Because I mean honestly if there is a god there are not 10,000 different ones like there are religions that all claim mine is the only.....
So yeah no bashing no converting nothing like that but tell me what you think! I had a messed up dream I know.

 

[jmick]

If there is a god, I'd imagine it and satan are one in the same.

 

[darknes]

I'm not sure I'm following your logic. I'm not sure I understand how satan could disguise himself as god. Are you saying what if there was no god, but only satan?
There is an interesting apocryphal book that's not in the bible about adam and eve's lives after being banished from the garden. Anyway, satan would disguise himself as an angel and talk to adam, confusing him.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by peef
http:///forum/post/2584099
.... THAT was why more people have been killed in the name of religion why more people have lost friends and family and so on and so forth than ANY other reason. .....
Over 130 million have been killed in the last 100 years, having nothing to do with religion... The whole premise that religion kills more people than anything else is faulty.

 

[kevin j]

satan which doesn't deserve the time of day wants to be God but he cannot.
So there fore he wants to hurt God himself but cannot. So satan tries to hurt us God's children so we follow satan and not God and that is how he hurts God or tires to atleast. It says in the Bible God doesnt want to hurt us or faulter us He has plans for us to prosper.
kevin

 

[geoj]

Originally Posted by kevin j
http:///forum/post/2584376
satan which doesn't deserve the time of day wants to be God but he cannot.
So there fore he wants to hurt God himself but cannot. So satan tries to hurt us God's children so we follow satan and not God and that is how he hurts God or tires to atleast. It says in the Bible God doesnt want to hurt us or faulter us He has plans for us to prosper.
kevin
Wow reading that just gave me chills it must be a sine of its truth. Or this fan I have on.

 

[morval]

not being religious at all. moral of the story is light-dark, good-evil, yin-yang, god satan, you cant have one without the other. i say if it makes u sleep better at night believe in whatever religion/magic u want.

 

[armywife1314]

i come from a religious family and well lets just say i have more sense than them. first the bible is rubbish. it was brought together by the roman king constantine who was a pagan and was scared of losing his empire to the newly but rapidly emerging catholicism, so he got the head religious gurus together and they made a list of the "books" they would want in the bible and they put the top ones in and burned the rest. and a major question if you do believe then lets ask this...wheres the dinosaurs in the bible?

 

[goober_hunter]

satan was once an angel of god, he once was in heaven next to god. satan knows the bible better than any living human on this planet, so for him to use it as a weapon, is part of his plan to put confusion, doubt and fear into belivers, non belivers and people of other religions.
satan will use the knowledge of the christanity, to make people second quess their beliefs . i think that satan would disguise him self as god to make people follow a different path. satan knows very well both sides of christanity.
to belive in god is to belive in satan. you cant have one with out the other.
either you belive in both or you belive in none.

 

[jmick]

I have to ask this. If god did create everything on this planet then wouldn't it have created evil and wouldn't that by extension mean it has an evil side?
I agree that religion can not really be blamed for wars, it's has been used as an excuse (to pacify the ignorant) but it's not the real reason. The real reason has always been and will always be the desire for wealth, power and the acquisition of key resources. And terrorism occurs not because of religion. It's a result of the unequal distribution of resources, oppression, exploitation and political reasons.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2584401
i come from a religious family and well lets just say i have more sense than them. first the bible is rubbish. it was brought together by the roman king constantine who was a pagan and was scared of losing his empire to the newly but rapidly emerging catholicism, so he got the head religious gurus together and they made a list of the "books" they would want in the bible and they put the top ones in and burned the rest. and a major question if you do believe then lets ask this...wheres the dinosaurs in the bible?
Again, that's not even close to being an accurate depiction of the Canonization of the Bible.

 

[tizzo]

Peef,
I think I get what you are saying... If he is as decieving as the bible says, then can he not have decieved us as he is satan portraying himself as God in order to be worshipped...
Although that is one heck of a theory, there is fault... The fault lies in the bible. People either believe it or they don't. It either IS their "standard" or it is not.
Theories (thoughts, ideas) such as your are to say...what if some parts of the bible are true and some are not... it's not supposed to be that way. Either you believe the bible in it's entirety, or you don't. You can't believe enough to know that satan is here and he is decieving, and then not believe where you read about God himself kicking him out of heaven and their conversations (regarding Job) for example...
And don't forget that in the "end times" he will attempt to portray himself as THE god. If you know the "truth" you will not be fooled, but most people will... But again, that's all mentioned in the bible that you either believe..or you don't.
So when he does come here pretending to be whatever god you wanna believe in, some people are already expecting that...

 

[darknes]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2584445
I have to ask this. If god did create everything on this planet then wouldn't it have created evil and wouldn't that by extension mean it has an evil side?
No, everything god created is good. Evil stems from his creations by using their choice of free will. Evil is basically an absense of good, just as cold is an absense of heat. Satan is not necessarily "evil", rather he contains no good due to his choice to leave god's side.
Basically, "evil" was created by god's creations due to our choices.

 

[fats71]

Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2584401
i come from a religious family and well lets just say i have more sense than them. first the bible is rubbish. it was brought together by the roman king constantine who was a pagan and was scared of losing his empire to the newly but rapidly emerging catholicism, so he got the head religious gurus together and they made a list of the "books" they would want in the bible and they put the top ones in and burned the rest. and a major question if you do believe then lets ask this...wheres the dinosaurs in the bible?
Religion kills people GOD DOES NOT !!
You actually need to research what books are in the bible what books are not and their are many books of the bible that as you stated were destroyed that actually were not. He speaks of dinosaurs in the bible you just have to read the BIBLE to know where it is and it is not what is important as the bible is not a history class it is a way to live. If you want to live a happy prosperous life live by the bible if it is rubbish then why are most laws taken from the bible. though shalt not steal though shalt not kill do I need to go on ?
Originally Posted by goober_hunter
http:///forum/post/2584404
satan was once an angel of god, he once was in heaven next to god. satan knows the bible better than any living human on this planet, so for him to use it as a weapon, is part of his plan to put confusion, doubt and fear into belivers, non belivers and people of other religions.
satan will use the knowledge of the christanity, to make people second quess their beliefs . i think that satan would disguise him self as god to make people follow a different path. satan knows very well both sides of christanity.
to belive in god is to belive in satan. you cant have one with out the other.
either you belive in both or you belive in none.
He is the mighty deceiver (satan) that is he will come to a woman as a beautiful man in perfect form or to a man in a females perfect form and so on. He does not go after most people very hard until they alter and change their lifestyle to live for GOD. It gets bad before it gets good. the devil will tempt and deceive all through it and it is by getting closer to GOD that you will be able to discern his voice over the enemy.
As for your dream GOD uses dreams visions and prophecy to speak to us but discernment is key. You must live by GOD and be able to discern what is from him and what is not.
Dreams from GOD are in color where as others are in black and white. How about writing the dream in it's entirety and perhaps GOD will give someone a word and be able to tell you the meaning of the dream but again this may sound silly was it in color ?
I have stated many times before I am not a writer. I speak well just not able to put it to paper int he same form.
You can read things such as 'He came to set the captives free" by Dr. Rebbecca brown that will explain a lot of this better or many other books.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2584478
No, everything god created is good. Evil stems from his creations by using their choice of free will. Evil is basically an absense of good, just as cold is an absense of heat. Satan is not necessarily "evil", rather he contains no good due to his choice to leave god's side.
Basically, "evil" was created by god's creations due to our choices.
The absense of good does not necessarily = evil.
If we were created by god then it would have had to plant the seed. By giving us free will it gave us the option of good, bad or other right? Because of this, it had to have created evil and plays the role of Satan...so god and satan are the same.
On a side note, isn't heaven supposed to be a perfect place? If this is indeed the case, how could there have been a war there? Also, how could an all power thing such as god allow it? There are just soo many contridictions.

 

[salty blues]

Just as God(or the meaning thereof)is different to different people/religions, so does the meaning of satan differ from religion to religion, person to person.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2584238
Over 130 million have been killed in the last 100 years, having nothing to do with religion... The whole premise that religion kills more people than anything else is faulty.
where did you get these numbers...
religion doesnt kill the people... it starts more wars/fights/disagreements which in turn makes people kill people...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2584585
where did you get these numbers.....
It's an arbitray number I threw out, based on the research I did for an earlier post showing Communism alone is responsible for 100+ million deaths in the past 80 years.

 

[armywife1314]

you people need to watch the history channel or do actual research. read genesis everything including man was created in a week and lets think...dinos and man didnt co-exist hence its not in there. the bible was also written hundreds of years after jesus was dead and not to mention the bible was passed on mainly by word of mouth. has anyone ever played the game telephone. when you pass things on by word of mouth details get changed and eventually it barely resembles the truth.
Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2584516
Religion kills people GOD DOES NOT !!
You actually need to research what books are in the bible what books are not and their are many books of the bible that as you stated were destroyed that actually were not. He speaks of dinosaurs in the bible you just have to read the BIBLE to know where it is and it is not what is important as the bible is not a history class it is a way to live. If you want to live a happy prosperous life live by the bible if it is rubbish then why are most laws taken from the bible. though shalt not steal though shalt not kill do I need to go on ?
He is the mighty deceiver (satan) that is he will come to a woman as a beautiful man in perfect form or to a man in a females perfect form and so on. He does not go after most people very hard until they alter and change their lifestyle to live for GOD. It gets bad before it gets good. the devil will tempt and deceive all through it and it is by getting closer to GOD that you will be able to discern his voice over the enemy.
As for your dream GOD uses dreams visions and prophecy to speak to us but discernment is key. You must live by GOD and be able to discern what is from him and what is not.
Dreams from GOD are in color where as others are in black and white. How about writing the dream in it's entirety and perhaps GOD will give someone a word and be able to tell you the meaning of the dream but again this may sound silly was it in color ?
I have stated many times before I am not a writer. I speak well just not able to put it to paper int he same form.
You can read things such as 'He came to set the captives free" by Dr. Rebbecca brown that will explain a lot of this better or many other books.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2584665
you people need to watch the history channel or do actual research. read genesis everything including man was created in a week and lets think...dinos and man didnt co-exist hence its not in there. the bible was also written hundreds of years after jesus was dead and not to mention the bible was passed on mainly by word of mouth. has anyone ever played the game telephone. when you pass things on by word of mouth details get changed and eventually it barely resembles the truth.
Actually, please re-read Genesis, especially around verse 19."Days" as we know them were created on "day" 4. Further, the creation account describes the Garden of Eden but fails to tell what was going on in the rest of the world. Even more importantly, the Bible doesn't list all of the plants and animals created.
The Bible was NOT written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus. Every Book in the NT was completed in the first Century. Heck, you mentioned Constantine earlier. He took the throne in 306. That alone doesn't leave "hundreds of years" after the death of Christ to write anything.