God vs Satan question

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by peef
http:///forum/post/2584099
...THAT was why more people have been killed in the name of religion ....

Originally Posted by peef
http:///forum/post/2584962
...I would have to say that no matter how you slice it religion in one way or another has definetely been the cause of more death than anything else. I mean come on how can you argue that......?
Your first post clearly states "killed in the name of religion".
Stalin did not kill 40 million in the name of religion. Nor did the communists in China kill 20+ million. Nor did Hitler blitz through Europe because of religion.
Vietnam, Korea, Russian invasion of Afghanistan, and killing fields of Cambodia- None done in the name of religion.
WW1 and WW2- Neither done in the name of religion.
How can you argue otherwise?

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2584967
Lets hope your children don't choose that lifestyle huh?
Couldn't agree with you more.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by peef
http:///forum/post/2584963
you must be a fan of Fred Felps....Eh?
Never heard of such a person.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2584974
Your first post clearly states "killed in the name of religion".
Stalin did not kill 40 million in the name of religion. Nor did the communists in China kill 20+ million. Nor did Hitler blitz through Europe because of religion.
Vietnam, Korea, Russian invasion of Afghanistan, and killing fields of Cambodia- None done in the name of religion.
WW1 and WW2- Neither done in the name of religion.
How can you argue otherwise?
of the 40 million Russians and 20 million Chinese i would put up BIG MONEY that a large portion of those murdered were for religious beliefs, religious expression or for not conforming to what ever religion the government set forth...
a murder/slaying that is religiously motivated is a murder/slaying that you can chalk up to religion... you cant deny that...

 

[peef]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2584974
Your first post clearly states "killed in the name of religion".
Stalin did not kill 40 million in the name of religion. Nor did the communists in China kill 20+ million. Nor did Hitler blitz through Europe because of religion.
Vietnam, Korea, Russian invasion of Afghanistan, and killing fields of Cambodia- None done in the name of religion.
WW1 and WW2- Neither done in the name of religion.
How can you argue otherwise?

Honestly I think you would be the first person I have ever talked to that would say otherwise. Not to mention your examples are all within the last 100 years (Not sure of the timeline of the china exaple but it really doesn't matter). There is ALOT more time behind that.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2585002
of the 40 million Russians and 20 million Chinese i would put up BIG MONEY that a large portion of those murdered were for religious beliefs, religious expression or for not conforming to what ever religion the government set forth...
a murder/slaying that is religiously motivated is a murder/slaying that you can chalk up to religion... you cant deny that...
You're trying to argue a different point Ruaround. The OP said killed "in the name of religion."

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by peef
http:///forum/post/2585004
Honestly I think you would be the first person I have ever talked to that would say otherwise. Not to mention your examples are all within the last 100 years (Not sure of the timeline of the china exaple but it really doesn't matter). There is ALOT more time behind that.
Want to go back to the 1800's?
War of 1812, Spanish American War, US Civil War, Napoleonic Wars, Barbary Wars, Finnish War...
How far back do you want to go? How many hundreds of millions can you name that have been killed in the name of religion?

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2584967
Lets hope your children don't choose that lifestyle huh?
im glad you admit its a choice and not something your born with

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2585072
im glad you admit its a choice and not something your born with

I have no idea if it's a product of environment or if it's something you are born with, have never been that interested. I don't think it really makes a difference as it doesn't make you a bad or immoral person.

 

[fats71]

Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2584665
you people need to watch the history channel or do actual research. read genesis everything including man was created in a week and lets think...dinos and man didnt co-exist hence its not in there. the bible was also written hundreds of years after jesus was dead and not to mention the bible was passed on mainly by word of mouth. has anyone ever played the game telephone. when you pass things on by word of mouth details get changed and eventually it barely resembles the truth.
You sound like that diet pill advertised on tv.. We said it on tv so it has to be true lol. I am like uh why does it have to be true,
I never knew the history channel to be all that accurate lol. Your wrong in when and how the BIBLE was written.
Originally Posted by peef
http:///forum/post/2584962
Every dream that I have ever had that I can remember has been in color. I cannot recall a dream in my life ever have been in black and white.
I would have to say that no matter how you slice it religion in one way or another has definetely been the cause of more death than anything else. I mean come on how can you argue that......?
As I said maybe tell the dream pm me or holler at me on teamspeak.
208.101.56.248:8041 PW fart sorry about PW not my idea.
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2584967
Lets hope your children don't choose that lifestyle huh?
I hope mine does not. I am not judging the person but the way of life. I have many friends whom are homosexual and we get on well together. I have invited them to church and told them no one will judge their choice that is GODS job not ours.
I have been studying at Vineyard BIBLE inst. and other places over the years. I am still a very brash person and immature in a lot of ways but eventually will pastor.
I do now however street preach (NOT the guy screaming stuff) evangelical work prayer rooms etc.
I study and try my hardest to live by GODS word. My 8 year old lays hands on the sick we love and live by GOD.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2585049
You're trying to argue a different point Ruaround. The OP said killed "in the name of religion."
no its the same point each time... just worded differently...
if one is murdered/slayed because of religious beliefs that is a religion based death/murder...
a murder/slaying that is religiously motivated is a murder/slaying that you can chalk up to religion... you cant deny that...
a religion motivated murder/killing is a murder/killing in the name of religion... it really isnt that hard to understand now is it???

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2585293
no its the same point each time... just worded differently...
if one is murdered/slayed because of religious beliefs that is a religion based death/murder...
a murder/slaying that is religiously motivated is a murder/slaying that you can chalk up to religion... you cant deny that...
a religion motivated murder/killing is a murder/killing in the name of religion... it really isnt that hard to understand now is it???
Two very different things my friend.
The OP said "killing in the name of religion". His post means the motivation of the killers was religion.
Your post, on the other hand, refers to killers or the victims, with religion being the motivation.
The way you say it is far more vague and therefore more difficult to argue. For instance, you and I would argue whether or not Hitler's slayings, Communism, etc. were "religiously" based.
That's not the point. The OP is very different. It clearly says religion has motivated people to kill more than anything else. That is, as I pointed out, absurd.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2585336
Two very different things my friend.
The OP said "killing in the name of religion". His post means the motivation of the killers was religion.
Your post, on the other hand, refers to killers or the victims, with religion being the motivation.
The way you say it is far more vague and therefore more difficult to argue. For instance, you and I would argue whether or not Hitler's slayings, Communism, etc. were "religiously" based.
That's not the point. The OP is very different. It clearly says religion has motivated people to kill more than anything else. That is, as I pointed out, absurd.
LMAO... it is not different AT ALL!!! what youre saying is absurd...
if one person says they are of one religion and another kills him because of that religion THAT is in the name of religion...
just like the 9-11 attacks... that was jihad...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2585348
LMAO... it is not different AT ALL!!! what youre saying is absurd...
if one person says they are of one religion and another kills him because of that religion THAT is in the name of religion...
just like the 9-11 attacks... that was jihad...
ok, let's try it this way...
Vegetarians kill people.
People are killed because they are vegetarians.
Do those two statements mean the same thing?

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2585362
ok, let's try it this way...
Vegetarians kill people.
People are killed because they are vegetarians.
Do those two statements mean the same thing?
nope... but did either of those vegetarians kill/die in the name of religion???
people kill in the name of religion... people are killed in the name of religion... religion is the motivation...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2585373
nope... but did either of those vegetarians kill/die in the name of religion???
people kill in the name of religion... people are killed in the name of religion... religion is the motivation...
Religious people kill people.
People kill religious people.
Do those two sentences mean the same thing?

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2585375
Religious people kill people.
People kill religious people.
Do those two sentences mean the same thing?
well of course not... are they fighting over their religion or are they BTK and one of BTKs victoms... your statements prove nothing other than if you say something one way it can mean something different... we all learned that in the 2nd grade...
that corvette is red..
corvettes are red...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2585377
well of course not... are they fighting over their religion or are they BTK and one of BTKs victoms... your statements prove nothing other than if you say something one way it can mean something different... we all learned that in the 2nd grade...
that corvette is red..
corvettes are red...
Exactly... Now, look at the original post and look at your post.
the OP is the first statement: Religious people kill people. That is the post I've been responding too.
THAT was why more people have been killed in the name of religion ...

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2585383
Exactly... Now, look at the original post and look at your post.
the OP is the first statement: Religious people kill people. That is the post I've been responding too.
ohhh i get it... all of your responses are only to the OP and all of my questions and statements have fallen onto def ear... its all good... i understand...

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2585385
ohhh i get it... all of your responses are only to the OP and all of my questions and statements have fallen onto def ear... its all good... i understand...
At least you have some really cool pics of your son. (yes, I looked)