Golf pro kills red shouldered hawk

reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2507279
Not unless they moved Crows to the Protected Species list when I wasn't looking.

Crows were always on the list.
The whole point is the guy did nothing worthy of jail time. If he had been using a gun to shoot migratory birds on purpose that would be different. If he had a history of this sort of thing it would be different.
 
jtrzerocool

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2507312
Crows were always on the list.
The whole point is the guy did nothing worthy of jail time. If he had been using a gun to shoot migratory birds on purpose that would be different. If he had a history of this sort of thing it would be different.
no...he used a golf club and golfballs to hit the bird...history or no history, he still killed a protected species of bird and broke the law...he deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law...these birds are protected for a reason...
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Appaloosa1
http:///forum/post/2507278
Its a federally endangered bird. Do you not understand what that means? Every individual is important to the survival of the population. In taking just one bird, he has hurt the species. He is a moron and deserves jail time and a fine. Make an example of him. And if he had done the same to a crow I think he would still be deserving of animals cruelty charges. Heaven forbid an animal do what it knows to do.
In the bigger scheme of things this one bird means virtually nothing. In fact the publicity from this will likely end making this a positive incident. There are a lot of people who don't understand that you can't wack a migratory bird just for grins and giggles. There is no telling how many birds might be saved by this. A signifigant fine will do plenty to send the message. Jail time would just be further evidence of how foolishly some of our laws are applied.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2507328
Ahh, because they are migratory...
Then, yes. Punish away. The law is the law.

Well, see we agree. If the guy havng no history or poaching or killing migratory bird was caught wacking a crow the punishment SHOULD be the same. We both no it wouldn't because if iot had been a crow nobody would have thought a thing about it.
Fact is there is no indication this guy has done anything like this before. It isn't like he pulled out a gun and popped it where he would have a reasonable expectation of killing the bird. I have no issue with him being fined, this just doesnt come close to being something the guy needs to do jail time for.
I knew about the crows because my sister in law had an issue. Her dog was attacked and nearly killed by a flock of crows. Her next door neighbor went to help her dog and the dam birds took off after her. The womans husband was able to drive them off with a broom. They had to get a permit from through the USDA to shoot the birds. And shoot them they did. Crows can be mean suckers. Ravens are even worse.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/2507323
no...he used a golf club and golfballs to hit the bird...history or no history, he still killed a protected species of bird and broke the law...he deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law...these birds are protected for a reason...
So if you get caught speeding you should go to jail. There is a speed limit for a reason.
 
jtrzerocool

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2507352
So if you get caught speeding you should go to jail. There is a speed limit for a reason.
no...speeding doesnt invlove killing someone or somthing(although it can lead to that)...then again, speeding can land you in jail...
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/2507358
no...speeding doesnt invlove killing someone or somthing(although it can lead to that)...then again, speeding can land you in jail...

Correct, speeding can in extreme circumstances land you in jail, whether you kill or hurt someone or not. Doing 85 in a 75 on the freeway isn't going to land you in jail. Doing 85 through a school zone just might. Big difference between breaking the law and criminal behavior. When a level of carelessness or stupidity raises to a certain level then jail is appropriate. This guy didn't set out to kill a hawk. Once it came back and landed so close I don't doubt he thought it would be cool to hit it with a shot but I doubt he thought it would kill the thing.
The only reason I think the fine is OK is becaue he knew there was at least a chance he would hit the bird.
 
clown boy

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Originally Posted by Appaloosa1
http:///forum/post/2507278
Its a federally endangered bird. Do you not understand what that means? Every individual is important to the survival of the population. In taking just one bird, he has hurt the species. He is a moron and deserves jail time and a fine. Make an example of him. And if he had done the same to a crow I think he would still be deserving of animals cruelty charges. Heaven forbid an animal do what it knows to do.
But for goodness sakes, is it that important??? If a Bald Eagle is threatening my sanity, and all I have on hand is a gun, you can bet that I'd tech it off. Like said before, it's an animal. Ok.... it's a species of animals. Still animals.
 
pontius

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pro golfers are good but I'm sorry, he's not that good a shot. not even Tiger Woods is that good a shot. if he were that accurate, he'd be the best golfer ever in history. he said it's a "one in a million shot" and I agree with that. a hawk is what, maybe 2 feet tall and 1 foot wide. for him to be able to hit that from 75 yards away, it's crazy to think that was on purpose. plus, the hawk was IN A TREE. that, I would think, would decrease the chances of hitting it because golfers aim for a spot on the fairway, not up in the air (in a tree). he MAY have been aiming for it, but even so, it was incredibly unlikely shot.
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2507946
pro golfers are good but I'm sorry, he's not that good a shot. not even Tiger Woods is that good a shot. if he were that accurate, he'd be the best golfer ever in history. he said it's a "one in a million shot" and I agree with that. a hawk is what, maybe 2 feet tall and 1 foot wide. for him to be able to hit that from 75 yards away, it's crazy to think that was on purpose. plus, the hawk was IN A TREE. that, I would think, would decrease the chances of hitting it because golfers aim for a spot on the fairway, not up in the air (in a tree). he MAY have been aiming for it, but even so, it was incredibly unlikely shot.
And wanna guess the odd's of someone getting shot from a moron shooting a firearm into the air, say for New Year's? Do they deserve less of a punishment? They aren't even trying to shoot someone, and this guy was trying to hit the bird.
Perhaps if jailtime is not under the guides for punishment, they shouldn't go above and beyond. If it is, I have no problems with a sentence.
 
pontius

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2508102
And wanna guess the odd's of someone getting shot from a moron shooting a firearm into the air, say for New Year's? Do they deserve less of a punishment? They aren't even trying to shoot someone, and this guy was trying to hit the bird.
Perhaps if jailtime is not under the guides for punishment, they shouldn't go above and beyond. If it is, I have no problems with a sentence.
a firearm is something that can easily kill someone and should not be shot up in the air just for the hell of it. if someone kills a person like that, then they deserve some jail time to think about it. but they're most likely not going to be charged with murder, it would be involuntary manslaughter and they may or may not even get time for it.
a golf ball is not usually considered a weapon of death, he was hitting it on a golf course, where one usually hits golf balls. remember when the pitcher Randy Johnson threw a pitch and a bird just happened to fly by at that moment and the ball killed the bird?? he wasn't charged or fined. it's a 1 in a million shot, nothing more or less.
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2508168
remember when the pitcher Randy Johnson threw a pitch and a bird just happened to fly by at that moment and the ball killed the bird?? he wasn't charged or fined. it's a 1 in a million shot, nothing more or less.
He didn't throw at the bird 47 times in a row, like golfer-boi.
 
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