Good Butterflies for a 90 gallon butterfly aquarium
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sepulatian
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Originally Posted by Seattle
Oh I also need a few RARE Butterflyfish suggestions,or RARE Angelfish suggestions.
If you want any kind of butterfly or angel in a 90, first you should be adding at least 100lbs of rock and letting it mature. If you want to keep these kinds of fish wait at least 8-9 months before you even begin to stock. Not a lot of angel species, besides dwarfs, will be suitible for that tank. You are limited on the butterflies as well. Please think his through. You have plenty of time while your rock is aging.
Oh I also need a few RARE Butterflyfish suggestions,or RARE Angelfish suggestions.
If you want any kind of butterfly or angel in a 90, first you should be adding at least 100lbs of rock and letting it mature. If you want to keep these kinds of fish wait at least 8-9 months before you even begin to stock. Not a lot of angel species, besides dwarfs, will be suitible for that tank. You are limited on the butterflies as well. Please think his through. You have plenty of time while your rock is aging.
socal57che
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Originally Posted by sepulatian
If you want any kind of butterfly or angel in a 90, first you should be adding at least 100lbs of rock and letting it mature. If you want to keep these kinds of fish wait at least 8-9 months before you even begin to stock. Not a lot of angel species, besides dwarfs, will be suitible for that tank. You are limited on the butterflies as well. Please think his through. You have plenty of time while your rock is aging.
DITTO!!
Butterflies are grazers so they need a LOT of mature rock to nibble at. Threadfin is my choice since they are reportedly hardier than others. (we have a threadfin)
You should also be aware that they require pristine water conditions.
If you want any kind of butterfly or angel in a 90, first you should be adding at least 100lbs of rock and letting it mature. If you want to keep these kinds of fish wait at least 8-9 months before you even begin to stock. Not a lot of angel species, besides dwarfs, will be suitible for that tank. You are limited on the butterflies as well. Please think his through. You have plenty of time while your rock is aging.
DITTO!!
Butterflies are grazers so they need a LOT of mature rock to nibble at. Threadfin is my choice since they are reportedly hardier than others. (we have a threadfin)
You should also be aware that they require pristine water conditions.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by Seattle
Uuumm...Yeah I ment Angels in general didn't care dwarf or large,and with the grazing,yeah I am fine getting 100lbs of live rock.and yeah I am maturing the tank.
Well, let us know in 8 months what fish you have decided on. You seem a little impatient. You can do what you want, but we are warning you that you should not add an angel or a butterfly to this tank for quite some time.
Uuumm...Yeah I ment Angels in general didn't care dwarf or large,and with the grazing,yeah I am fine getting 100lbs of live rock.and yeah I am maturing the tank.
Well, let us know in 8 months what fish you have decided on. You seem a little impatient. You can do what you want, but we are warning you that you should not add an angel or a butterfly to this tank for quite some time.
sepulatian
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Originally Posted by Seattle
Ok thread closed,nvm
Why is that? You had such stong oppinions about butteflies the other day.
Buy Yellow-Longnose young if you want a reef-safe Butterflyfish,cause quite a few young Butterfly species don't know that coral is edible until they taste-test,not*so don't take a tiny frag and feed it to your Butterfly Longfin Bannerfish,Yellow Pyramid Zoster,Very Longnose,Longnose,Rosy Longnose,and Copperbands,and if you have only soft corals,Fremblii another great option for reef-safe butterflies.Pyramid and Longfin 100% Reef Safe!
Raccons are 100% non-reef-safe! Longnoses are a 50/50chance.
Ok thread closed,nvm
Why is that? You had such stong oppinions about butteflies the other day.
Buy Yellow-Longnose young if you want a reef-safe Butterflyfish,cause quite a few young Butterfly species don't know that coral is edible until they taste-test,not*so don't take a tiny frag and feed it to your Butterfly Longfin Bannerfish,Yellow Pyramid Zoster,Very Longnose,Longnose,Rosy Longnose,and Copperbands,and if you have only soft corals,Fremblii another great option for reef-safe butterflies.Pyramid and Longfin 100% Reef Safe!
Raccons are 100% non-reef-safe! Longnoses are a 50/50chance.
murph
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Good grief guys the poor guy wants a butterfly themed tank and there is no reason he cant have it.
This magical statistic of a hundred pounds of live rock and a hundred gallon tank that continually gets regurgitated around here is about as misleading as the watts per gallon rule with lighting. If the rock is not carefully weighed and comes in at say 98 pounds is everything going to go horribly wrong?
We may as well say a thousand gal tank and a thousand pounds of LR if the thinking is that were going to duplicate the dietary needs of difficult species purely on the basis of LR amount and age of tank.
Bottom line is with the average size home aquarium proper dietary supplementation and acclimation to those foods will be necessary with pretty much anything we put in the tank.
For Seattle; do your research and pick appropriate species for this size tank and keep in mind butterflies are delicate species in general until adapted to aquarium life and on there feed. As for angels you will run into compatibility issues here (aggression). One dwarf species or possibly two with vary different color patterns and sizes. A combo that has worked for me is the cherub and flame. Added to tank at same time or cherub first then flame. Worked for me but your mileage may vary. Good luck.
This magical statistic of a hundred pounds of live rock and a hundred gallon tank that continually gets regurgitated around here is about as misleading as the watts per gallon rule with lighting. If the rock is not carefully weighed and comes in at say 98 pounds is everything going to go horribly wrong?
We may as well say a thousand gal tank and a thousand pounds of LR if the thinking is that were going to duplicate the dietary needs of difficult species purely on the basis of LR amount and age of tank.
Bottom line is with the average size home aquarium proper dietary supplementation and acclimation to those foods will be necessary with pretty much anything we put in the tank.
For Seattle; do your research and pick appropriate species for this size tank and keep in mind butterflies are delicate species in general until adapted to aquarium life and on there feed. As for angels you will run into compatibility issues here (aggression). One dwarf species or possibly two with vary different color patterns and sizes. A combo that has worked for me is the cherub and flame. Added to tank at same time or cherub first then flame. Worked for me but your mileage may vary. Good luck.
teen
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you guys take all the fun out of the hobby. all the guidlines and what not are just a rule of thumb. im sure if its well fed,most types will be fine without 100lbs of LR.
honestly, everything we keep SHOULD have a mature tank to go into, but as we all know, that isnt the case.
honestly, everything we keep SHOULD have a mature tank to go into, but as we all know, that isnt the case.
lion_crazz
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I disagree with the backlash. Butterflies are an extremely delicate fish, meaning that they need an established aquarium to live and thrive. The same goes for most species of starfish. Both animals just do not tolerate fluctuating water temps at all. This is not taking the fun out of the hobby. This is being responsible and caring for the animals that we intend to keep.
Heck, I would even say that due to butterflies' delicate nature, they should ideally have more rock than 100 lbs. so as to ensure that there is plenty of organisms on the rock for them to pick at. Butterflies can be very finicky eaters, and in times when they are being finicky, it is nice for them to have 100+ pounds of live rock to fall back on and pick at.
Heck, I would even say that due to butterflies' delicate nature, they should ideally have more rock than 100 lbs. so as to ensure that there is plenty of organisms on the rock for them to pick at. Butterflies can be very finicky eaters, and in times when they are being finicky, it is nice for them to have 100+ pounds of live rock to fall back on and pick at.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by teen
... im sure if its well fed,most types will be fine without 100lbs of LR. .
Based on what?
That statement is incorect and misleading. You are making it sound like people just don't want Seattle to "have fun".
If fishing dead fish out of his aquarium is fun then I guess they are...
Otherwise please remember these are living creatures. Just because we want them that doesn't mean they will survive in our tanks.
... im sure if its well fed,most types will be fine without 100lbs of LR. .
Based on what?
That statement is incorect and misleading. You are making it sound like people just don't want Seattle to "have fun".
If fishing dead fish out of his aquarium is fun then I guess they are...
Otherwise please remember these are living creatures. Just because we want them that doesn't mean they will survive in our tanks.
murph
Active Member
Having a certain amount of live rock and or age of the tank will not guarantee the dietary needs of any species. Period.
Just as we acclimate our new arrivals to water conditions, lighting conditions, communities that include species they would never encounter in there indigenous waters etc. Any fish must also be acclimated to prepared foods suitable to its dietary needs and then offered a variety of those foods. Its the hobbyist responsibility to provide these needs in the enclosed system. Some species will be more difficult than others
Case in point the mandarin. The only place I see more starving mandarins other than LFS holding tanks is in....that's right 100 gallon systems with 100lb+ of rock. Unfortunately those systems also contained communities of fish that easily out competed this species for the available micro fauna.
The hobbyist simply went by the rule everything should have been fine. Right?? Fact is everything would have been fine if the time was taken to acclimate the species to readily available and suitable prepared dietary alternatives. Basically this is mandatory. You can not rely on volume of system or LR amount
Check out melvs reef mandarin diner for some info that can make this point undeniable.
Just as we acclimate our new arrivals to water conditions, lighting conditions, communities that include species they would never encounter in there indigenous waters etc. Any fish must also be acclimated to prepared foods suitable to its dietary needs and then offered a variety of those foods. Its the hobbyist responsibility to provide these needs in the enclosed system. Some species will be more difficult than others
Case in point the mandarin. The only place I see more starving mandarins other than LFS holding tanks is in....that's right 100 gallon systems with 100lb+ of rock. Unfortunately those systems also contained communities of fish that easily out competed this species for the available micro fauna.
The hobbyist simply went by the rule everything should have been fine. Right?? Fact is everything would have been fine if the time was taken to acclimate the species to readily available and suitable prepared dietary alternatives. Basically this is mandatory. You can not rely on volume of system or LR amount
Check out melvs reef mandarin diner for some info that can make this point undeniable.
seattle
Member
Originally Posted by Murph
Good grief guys the poor guy wants a butterfly themed tank and there is no reason he cant have it.
This magical statistic of a hundred pounds of live rock and a hundred gallon tank that continually gets regurgitated around here is about as misleading as the watts per gallon rule with lighting. If the rock is not carefully weighed and comes in at say 98 pounds is everything going to go horribly wrong?
We may as well say a thousand gal tank and a thousand pounds of LR if the thinking is that were going to duplicate the dietary needs of difficult species purely on the basis of LR amount and age of tank.
Bottom line is with the average size home aquarium proper dietary supplementation and acclimation to those foods will be necessary with pretty much anything we put in the tank.
For Seattle; do your research and pick appropriate species for this size tank and keep in mind butterflies are delicate species in general until adapted to aquarium life and on there feed. As for angels you will run into compatibility issues here (aggression). One dwarf species or possibly two with vary different color patterns and sizes. A combo that has worked for me is the cherub and flame. Added to tank at same time or cherub first then flame. Worked for me but your mileage may vary. Good luck.
THANK YOU! The reason I wanted to close it is do to all the people thinking it is impossible to keep butterflies.would be dumb not having any when that was the POINT of getting into the hobby for me!
Oh and I am interested in the Xantharus Cream Angel and/or Multi-Barred Angel,not getting both,just wanna see there hardiness to people.Sites say that the Xantharus is very hardy.
Good grief guys the poor guy wants a butterfly themed tank and there is no reason he cant have it.
This magical statistic of a hundred pounds of live rock and a hundred gallon tank that continually gets regurgitated around here is about as misleading as the watts per gallon rule with lighting. If the rock is not carefully weighed and comes in at say 98 pounds is everything going to go horribly wrong?
We may as well say a thousand gal tank and a thousand pounds of LR if the thinking is that were going to duplicate the dietary needs of difficult species purely on the basis of LR amount and age of tank.
Bottom line is with the average size home aquarium proper dietary supplementation and acclimation to those foods will be necessary with pretty much anything we put in the tank.
For Seattle; do your research and pick appropriate species for this size tank and keep in mind butterflies are delicate species in general until adapted to aquarium life and on there feed. As for angels you will run into compatibility issues here (aggression). One dwarf species or possibly two with vary different color patterns and sizes. A combo that has worked for me is the cherub and flame. Added to tank at same time or cherub first then flame. Worked for me but your mileage may vary. Good luck.
THANK YOU! The reason I wanted to close it is do to all the people thinking it is impossible to keep butterflies.would be dumb not having any when that was the POINT of getting into the hobby for me!
Oh and I am interested in the Xantharus Cream Angel and/or Multi-Barred Angel,not getting both,just wanna see there hardiness to people.Sites say that the Xantharus is very hardy.
seattle
Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Based on what?
That statement is incorect and misleading. You are making it sound like people just don't want Seattle to "have fun".
If fishing dead fish out of his aquarium is fun then I guess they are...
Otherwise please remember these are living creatures. Just because we want them that doesn't mean they will survive in our tanks.
That was downright rude.Can we cut down the flamming alittle? I'm sorta getting upset some people say yeah it'll be fine,some saying it is hard,some saying it is next-to impossible and ur all fighting,not stating opinions.
Based on what?
That statement is incorect and misleading. You are making it sound like people just don't want Seattle to "have fun".
If fishing dead fish out of his aquarium is fun then I guess they are...
Otherwise please remember these are living creatures. Just because we want them that doesn't mean they will survive in our tanks.
That was downright rude.Can we cut down the flamming alittle? I'm sorta getting upset some people say yeah it'll be fine,some saying it is hard,some saying it is next-to impossible and ur all fighting,not stating opinions.
teen
Active Member
dont try and twist what i said. i did not say cram whatever you want in your tank, its fun. theres a difference between that and having fun with the hobby.
you guys are all the same. listen to what everybody else tells you, and never try and learn something on your own. a butterfly can definetly be kept with a good 75 lbs of LR. do i have an article to back it up? nope. when you come on here and tell me its misinformation because i dont have an article or somebody who you know said it, i honestly dont care if you believe it or not. just because your names are in bold doesn't mean you know it all.
go ahead and try and twist this around saying that i dont care about the welfare of the fish, im giving out bad information. theres a difference between that and what im saying, i hope you can figure that out on your own.
you guys are all the same. listen to what everybody else tells you, and never try and learn something on your own. a butterfly can definetly be kept with a good 75 lbs of LR. do i have an article to back it up? nope. when you come on here and tell me its misinformation because i dont have an article or somebody who you know said it, i honestly dont care if you believe it or not. just because your names are in bold doesn't mean you know it all.
go ahead and try and twist this around saying that i dont care about the welfare of the fish, im giving out bad information. theres a difference between that and what im saying, i hope you can figure that out on your own.