GRRR..I will never sell or trade frags again

05xrunner

Active Member
i gave back the money for the acan...I wont refund shipping money. Na i am just done with shipping all together. its to much of a headach. Who is gonna buy a frag if I said no refunds ever anyway
 

interex

Member
i would but than again im the guy that would never ask you for the money back you didnt kill it its a rish when you ship thing.
 

angler man

Member
Strange, I had a similar situation as far as a time frame and my Acan came white as a ghost right out of the package. Heat packs were warm, water in the bag but it was absolutely toast.
 

flricordia

Active Member
I myself would never guarantee a coral that was drip acclimated after being shipped. Worst thing you can do. Corals do not need to be acclimated by drip method. They do not respire like fish and mobile inverts.
They do secrete a protective slime when disturbed and in a shipping bag that is being opened from dark to light enviroment and a new water chemistry being dripped in will cause the already taxed coral to secrete more of its already exhausted protective slime so that when it is finally placed into the new enviroment it may not have the abitlity to protect itself any further but lend itself to all the new pathogens, parameters of the new enviroment.
OPEN BAG AND PLACE YOUR NEW CORAL IN OR TAKE A CHANCE ON LOOSING IT BY DRIPPING NEW WATER INTO ITS ALREADY ph imballanced, nitrate induced slime saturated little cup of water.
To those that drip acclimate your corals-seriously, have you ever heard of a healthy coral sucumbing from not being drip acclimated? I will bet you HAVE heard of corals dieing shortly after being drip acclimated.
But I would suggest that corals are shipped with no air, in enough water to gixe at least 5+ times the size of the caral and add carbon pellets to the bag to help with toxins.
 

grabbitt

Active Member
As much as that sucks, shipping corals and getting frustrated go hand-in-hand in this game. It's understandable if you want to stop shipping, but unfortunately, that will more than likely severly limit your collection (unless you're in a dense local network). Sorry about the loss.
 

jaymz

Member
What I dont understand is who in the heck drips coral? I mean come on corals and anemones dont need dripped, thats what I have read and been told more than once. I have never dripped coral and it has been fine. light acclimation is what is necessary thats all.
That is user retardedness.
 

scopus tang

Active Member
Originally Posted by Flricordia
http:///forum/post/2579407
I myself would never guarantee a coral that was drip acclimated after being shipped. Worst thing you can do. Corals do not need to be acclimated by drip method. They do not respire like fish and mobile inverts.
They do secrete a protective slime when disturbed and in a shipping bag that is being opened from dark to light enviroment and a new water chemistry being dripped in will cause the already taxed coral to secrete more of its already exhausted protective slime so that when it is finally placed into the new enviroment it may not have the abitlity to protect itself any further but lend itself to all the new pathogens, parameters of the new enviroment.
OPEN BAG AND PLACE YOUR NEW CORAL IN OR TAKE A CHANCE ON LOOSING IT BY DRIPPING NEW WATER INTO ITS ALREADY ph imballanced, nitrate induced slime saturated little cup of water.
To those that drip acclimate your corals-seriously, have you ever heard of a healthy coral sucumbing from not being drip acclimated? I will bet you HAVE heard of corals dieing shortly after being drip acclimated.
But I would suggest that corals are shipped with no air, in enough water to gixe at least 5+ times the size of the caral and add carbon pellets to the bag to help with toxins.
Well ***! You mean to tell me that this may have been why I lost my beautiful brain. I'm agonna go kick the snot out of somebody. How come I never knew this? Why oh why didn't somebody tell me
? How come I'm always the last to know? Where have I been ~ living under a log I guess?! Thanks guys for clearing this up ~ is it posted as a sticky in the corals forum or somewhere else?
05xrunner I'm sorry for your pain ~ it really frustrates me when somebody ruins it for everyone else.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Did you heat pack it? How cold is it at 30,000 feet? Just wondering.
Chart I found says it's -49 degrees F at 30k feet. That's pretty cold.
 

grabbitt

Active Member
Originally Posted by rebelprettyboy
http:///forum/post/2579416
GRrabbit ur new frags come in 2morrow huh? What all are you getting in?
Check my frag thread tomorrow. I'll put up pics as soon as things start to open up. I've got a few short of 20 frags comin in
 

phtby

Member
listen bottom line is we all buy sell and trade corals on here. we all no that there is a some what risk of shipping anything that we take out of our tanks. And as should the buyer. there is no livestock gaurentee at your lfs so why would you expect it from someone 3000miles away...lol.... listen we all have had losses and we all have received at one time or another more then we ordered. in time it will balance it self out. dude i think you should not refund the money.... if it was truefully alive when you shipped it and you packed it right then not your problem... tell them to take it up with the shipping company... which in turn will tell them that you are not suppose to ship live things via mail without clearence for the shipping company... and paypal will back you up also... also some people on here really dont know what they are looking at and or buying for that matter.. they see the pretty colors and buy... these are the people that right you and tell you everything died.. because of the there lack of knowledge in this very knowledge demanding hobby.... people please due your research in this hobby before you kill something that took one of us years to grow..... people piss me off in this matter
 

viper_930

Active Member
I always guarantee live arrival, though I almost never have a coral arrive DOA. On occasion I've even replaced corals that died after a week in the buyer's tank. Perhaps if you don't sell corals but once in a blue moon then not having the guarantee isn't a big problem, but if you sell a lot then I assure you it proves much more profitable in the end.
 

grabbitt

Active Member
Originally Posted by ViPeR_930
http:///forum/post/2579583
I always guarantee live arrival, though I almost never have a coral arrive DOA. On occasion I've even replaced corals that died after a week in the buyer's tank. Perhaps if you don't sell corals but once in a blue moon then not having the guarantee isn't a big problem, but if you sell a lot then I assure you it proves much more profitable in the end.
Agreed.
 

05xrunner

Active Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2579534
Did you heat pack it? How cold is it at 30,000 feet? Just wondering.
Chart I found says it's -49 degrees F at 30k feet. That's pretty cold.
last time I checked planes have heat and they dont store the cargo on the outside of the hull.
he asked why no cold pack as well.
 

05xrunner

Active Member
Originally Posted by GRabbitt
http:///forum/post/2579411
As much as that sucks, shipping corals and getting frustrated go hand-in-hand in this game. It's understandable if you want to stop shipping, but unfortunately, that will more than likely severly limit your collection (unless you're in a dense local network). Sorry about the loss.
my LFS has more exotic thins then i see online most of the time..I never have a need really to buy online anymore cause of that. he even carries tyree corals..I will never buy one cause I will not pay that price for some idiots name on it. when its no different then the same coral without the name and cost 1/3 less.
 

grabbitt

Active Member
Originally Posted by 05xrunner
http:///forum/post/2579657
my LFS has more exotic thins then i see online most of the time..I never have a need really to buy online anymore cause of that. he even carries tyree corals..I will never buy one cause I will not pay that price for some idiots name on it. when its no different then the same coral without the name and cost 1/3 less.
Good for you. I'm waiting for a package to arrive this very moment, including a frag with that 'idiot's' name on it. If you don't agree with it, don't bother saying anything.. It will save everyone some time. If your LFS has so many exotic things, then you're set. Problem solved.
 

05xrunner

Active Member
Originally Posted by GRabbitt
http:///forum/post/2579674
Good for you. I'm waiting for a package to arrive this very moment, including a frag with that 'idiot's' name on it. If you don't agree with it, don't bother saying anything.. It will save everyone some time. If your LFS has so many exotic things, then you're set. Problem solved.
I dont agree with it just cause someone got a piece of coral and put their name on it. Then sell it for 3x the price cause the name. I will express how I feel about it because this is an OPEN forum. Also when did this thread have anything to do with me buying things as well?
 

spiderwoman

Active Member
Please post the persons name here if he/she is part of this board. I want to know I'm not going to be dealing with this person. He/she clearly doesn't know how to *acclimate* a coral.
I'm sorry for this. Person like that ruins good trades for the rest of us. You have such great stuff, I was wanting some :cry
 

renogaw

Active Member
I lost a ton of money as well with shipping corals. I'm sticking with locals only from now on. It's not just the shipping costs, but its the lost income from the dead corals as well. I sent out some palythoa grandis and some rpe's and they were dead, plus a ton of green colts etc. not worth it. i gotta sell a lot of chaeto to make up for the lost money now.
 
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