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kjr_trig

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by ruaround
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i beg to differ... they do hand em to just anyone that has A good game... look at Larry Brown, Dexter Jackson and Desmon Howard... branch has been riddled with injury... Engram got alot more playing time last year because Branch was hurt for most of the year so of course his stats are gonna go up...

Ok, we are getting into a silly argument here, but I will keep going with it...I'm not a huge fan of Branch, he is overrated and Brady made him what he was, but again still better than what they had yesterday....As far as Engram, you are arguing with someone whom follows the Hawks very closely...I remember an interview from their Superbowl year where someone asked Matt whom his 3 favorite targets in order are...His answer "Bobby Engram, Bobby Engram and Bobby Engram"...He has been Matt's favorite for a long time.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2750475
Ok, we are getting into a silly argument here, but I will keep going with it...I'm not a huge fan of Branch, he is overrated and Brady made him what he was, but again still better than what they had yesterday....As far as Engram, you are arguing with someone whom follows the Hawks very closely...I remember an interview from their Superbowl year where someone asked Matt whom his 3 favorite targets in order are...His answer "Bobby Engram, Bobby Engram and Bobby Engram"...He has been Matt's favorite for a long time.
lol... and the year before they went to the Super Bowl he dropped the ball that would have sent them to the divisional play off game... Engram has only had one 1,000 yd year in 12...
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by ruaround
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so if the QB is the only Que then i guess you should throw NE right back up to the top... they have 3 solid RBs two of the best WRs in the game... and a solid D... and a newbie at QB that has been a back up to two Heismen trophy winners and a 3 time Super Bowl champ and MVP of both the league and th Super Bowl...
well, there's also playing experience. which Edwards does have, and Cassel does not have.
then you, say that they have 2 of the best WRs in the game? nay. Moss is THE best, but Welker (if that's who you were referring) is NOT one of the best in the game, don't know where you got that. also, I think their RBs aren't good at all. I wouldn't put any of their 3 RBs in the top 15-17 RBs in the league. and, don't forget their TE is hurt once again.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2751416
well, there's also playing experience. which Edwards does have, and Cassel does not have.
then you, say that they have 2 of the best WRs in the game? nay. Moss is THE best, but Welker (if that's who you were referring) is NOT one of the best in the game, don't know where you got that. also, I think their RBs aren't good at all. I wouldn't put any of their 3 RBs in the top 15-17 RBs in the league. and, don't forget their TE is hurt once again.
well Brady had 0 exp when he came in for Bledsoe... so Cassell is one up there... currently Wes Welker is in the top 20 (we are talking currently, last 2 years... not about anyone in the past)... last year 1100 yds and 8 TDs... IMO Moss is possibly the second or third or even 4th best in the current game...
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2751460
well Brady had 0 exp when he came in for Bledsoe... so Cassell is one up there... currently Wes Welker is in the top 20 (we are talking currently, last 2 years... not about anyone in the past)... last year 1100 yds and 8 TDs... IMO Moss is possibly the second or third or even 4th best in the current game...

how often does a Tom Brady come along? and what I mean by that, a guy who was completely off the radar coming out of college and then comes in in relief to go on the 4 Superbowls? you think lightning is going to strike twice for the same franchise?
Welker is not one of the top 20 WRs in the league. he happened to benefit from a QB that had a blow-up year. any WR in the league would've had those kinds of stats with Brady as QB last year. with Brady gone, I look for Welker to top out at about 550 receiving yards this year.....pretty much in line with #2 WRs around the league.
we can argue about Moss all we want, but after Jerry Rice, Moss is the greatest of all-time. there's nothing anyone can say to convince me otherwise. and he's the best in the league right now. TO is great, but has a history of dropping passes. Moss has all the tools. who else you wanna throw up, Reggie Wayne? Wayne (like Marvin Harrison before him) benefits from a great QB. Braylon Edwards? caught ONE pass this weekend. Moss can make an awful QB like Culpepper look great.
speaking of which, I'd give Culpepper a call if I were the Pats. he and Moss pretty much hate each other, but they were good together in Minnesota and Culpepper is probably a better RB than any of the Pats RBs.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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a tom brady doesnt come along that often... but within the right system lightening does strike mor than once...
about welker... he proved his game at miami which is why NE recruited him so hard... and P. Manning had 3 1000+ receivers one year... so yes a QB does come into play... but those WRs need to make catches...
Moss had less than 700 yds in A freakin season... and has admitedly taken plays off because the ball doesnt go to him...
i would throw to TO or BE on a 3 yd hitch WAAAAAAAAAAAY before i threw to moss to get a 1st down... sure moss is a home run hitter but he cant block nor can he go over the middle... and who cares how many balls BE caught... its the 1st game of this year...
youd give culpepper a call??? some one you flat out said was a sub par QB and actually is!!! please...
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2751999
Moss had less than 700 yds in A freakin season... and has admitedly taken plays off because the ball doesnt go to him...
youd give culpepper a call??? some one you flat out said was a sub par QB and actually is!!! please...

have you watched Moss play much? he catches anything thrown in his vicinity and can flat out fly. and if you want to talk about the 700 yard season, I'd advise looking at his stats. he's 30 years old, and 14th on the all-time reception yards list. by the time he's 33, he'll be #2 on the list. to put that in some perspective, Rice played until he was 42. less than 1000 reception yards separate Moss from TO right now, and TO is 4 years older than Moss. also, Moss ranks very high in career TDs, yards per game, and 100 yard games and will be in the top 2 by the time he retires.
as for Culpepper, yes, he's mediocre. but he did have about 3 good seasons in Minnesota (think he threw for about 4500 yards one year). so yeah, I'd give him a chance given his experience and knowledge of Moss. even if it was as Cassel's backup, I'd give him a call. he better than Sims and Rattay.
 
jaymz

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2751780
how often does a Tom Brady come along? and what I mean by that, a guy who was completely off the radar coming out of college and then comes in in relief to go on the 4 Superbowls? you think lightning is going to strike twice for the same franchise?
I know its a different franchise. But Drew Beldsoe might of made 2 of them with Romo. If I were a struggling team i would be calling bledsoe and signing him to a contract to go down after game 4.
If cassel becomes anything it will be a greater accomplishment then brady. Cassel was a back up in college behind Carson Palmer and Matt Leinhart, he never started. So technically he has not been a starting QB since high school. I would be calling someone old and experienced to sit behind Cassel just in case.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2752091
have you watched Moss play much? he catches anything thrown in his vicinity and can flat out fly. and if you want to talk about the 700 yard season, I'd advise looking at his stats. he's 30 years old, and 14th on the all-time reception yards list. by the time he's 33, he'll be #2 on the list. to put that in some perspective, Rice played until he was 42. less than 1000 reception yards separate Moss from TO right now, and TO is 4 years older than Moss. also, Moss ranks very high in career TDs, yards per game, and 100 yard games and will be in the top 2 by the time he retires.
as for Culpepper, yes, he's mediocre. but he did have about 3 good seasons in Minnesota (think he threw for about 4500 yards one year). so yeah, I'd give him a chance given his experience and knowledge of Moss. even if it was as Cassel's backup, I'd give him a call. he better than Sims and Rattay.
youre entitled to your opinion...
 
rebelprettyboy

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Me being a PATS fan Id like for them to bring in another experiecned QB for back up and if so be is gettin the job done in practice start him. if cassel isnt preforming, but if hes playin good leave him in the game
That being said I wouldnt mind seein Culpepper in a PATs uniform.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2752372
stats aren't opinions. they pretty much speak for themselves.
except when you cant prove your statements... he HAS and DOES take plays off... he admitted that in an interview... and no he doesnt catch EVERYTHING thrown at him... he doesnt go over the middle nor can he block...
 
pontius

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2752479
I agree Moss has been the best WR in the league except for his oakland days.
well of course even the best players need SOME talent around them. look at John Elway, imo the best QB ever. never won much until Terrell Davis got there.
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2752383
except when you cant prove your statements... he HAS and DOES take plays off... he admitted that in an interview... and no he doesnt catch EVERYTHING thrown at him... he doesnt go over the middle nor can he block...
I can't prove stats? at his age, he's on pace to shatter pretty much every receiving record there is. if he plays at his current level, he will probably surpass Rice's all-time yardage record at age 38 (which Rice set when he was 42).
I've seen enough games to know that.....1) he DOES catch pretty much everything that's thrown at him......2) he is extremely fast.........3) he IS very physical and is not afraid to catch anything, anywhere on the field. where you got that from that he won't go over the middle is a mystery.
the only one that I'll give you is that he's not overly passionate about blocking. but honestly, he's never played on an NFL team with a good RB, so really, what's the use in blocking 10-15 yards downfield when your RB is only good for 3.5 yards a carry?
 
squidward

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2752897
well of course even the best players need SOME talent around them. look at John Elway, imo the best QB ever. never won much until Terrell Davis got there.
Aww yes that my friend, I agree totally.
 
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