Head and Lateral Line Erosion

bronco300

bronco300

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just 2 clownfish, a damsel which will be leaving me soon..then peppermint shrimps, snails and crabs...i feed mysis shrimp and/or marine flakes...he is acting better today....i guess i just dont know what i'm really lookin for, lol....and so of course i'm parannoyed knowing its a lineon him, and i see some type of line...not knowing if its that or not.
 
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tizzo

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No no, like I said before, the actual "Lateral line" IS visible and that's perfectly normal. If your fish have HLLE you would not really even need to "look" for it, you would see it even if you weren't looking.
The line is normal. When there is erosion around the line, then you have problems...
 
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tizzo

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Yeah, I kinda figured you guys skipped over the writing above the pics, LOL...
Lateral line=normal
eroded line=not so normal...
 
gamedawg

gamedawg

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I took some pics of my tang, and they aren't great, but maybe you have a good eye. I wish I could get a better pic, but he won't hold still. Does he have HLLE?

 
elfdoctors

elfdoctors

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I think that your fish does not have HLLE. That small line is the normal lateral line. The other larger line (which tends to show up better in low light) is normal coloration for yellow tangs.
However, your fish appears malnourished. It is VERY thin. I would try to get it to eat more if you can (particularly more nori (seaweed sheets fed to the fish using a clip)).
 
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tizzo

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Is it a wierd angle or does that fish have a chunk taken out of it's dorsal fin?
 
gamedawg

gamedawg

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No, it's not a weird angle. He does have a chunk, but it's starting to look better everyday. (it was a little more jagged) This fish was the most healthy, hardy fish in my tank, but a few weeks ago, it started to fight himself in the glass. He has been deteriorating since then. I wish the pics were better, I will try to take more, but he just looks funny to me, besides being a little thin. (I know about the stripe on his side that is white, and also the dark coloration for night-time) He eats well, I do have that algae sheet food, and he likes it. He also eats krill and any other kind of meaty food I put in. When he takes a break from fighting his reflection, he will graze on the rocks too. Maybe he's just too active for his normal diet? I can guess if he's stressed out, he is constantly at the glass. I am going to try putting a rock where he usually goes, and I'll let you know the result.
 
gamedawg

gamedawg

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I got a couple better shots, but still not the best. This is with a slow digital camera, so he's hard to get a clear pic of.
This first one is THE BEST pic I've gotten of him, too bad he looks like crap!


 
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tizzo

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Is the area right before his tail starts red?? That'd be bad.
To help with his reflection, you can try aiming a powerhead at the are and then not scraping the algae that grows there...
He is not healthy, although I don't know what's wrong with him. All of the tangs I see at the LFS look just like that, and most of the employees even say that's how there supposed to look. Lemme see if I can find you a pic of mine for you to compare. Mine isthe healthiest one I've ever seen. Even at the LFS where I got him, he looked like this...
Oh and your right, clear shots are nearly impossible...

 
gamedawg

gamedawg

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See, mine USED to look like that. He was one of the best looking YT's I've seen, and same here, the ones at the LFS look sickly.
I feed the algae sheets once a day, krill and either formula one, spirulina brine shrimp, or beefheart. (I rotate everyday) Once in a while I add a little garlic juice from my jar of minced garlic.
HIs tail is kinda more greyish brown, almost like a bruise. He slaps his tail against the glass while he's fighting, could that be it?
 
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tizzo

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Yeah, it could be. That little white line is razorsharp, it's their defence mechanism. Hence the nickname "surgeonfish". Anyway, if you wanna try it, I'll tell you what I feed my fish...
Saltwater multipack, and I put a strip of that seaweed selects in every now and again. That's it. No garlic- (maybe about once every 6 months), no formula products, no nothing except this. The squid cube I give to my anemone.
Are you putting any liquid foods into the tank??
Oh and that Zoecon product Kent makes might help. It's a fattener for fish. I would not put it directly in the tank but rather a soak for the food...
 
scubadoo

scubadoo

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The white area above the eye appears to be HLLE. THis is a common spot for the disease to start. hard to tell from the pic.
 
gamedawg

gamedawg

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I was looking at that multi pack at the store. The cubes are really big, and not many of them. What 4 foods do they have, and why is this multi pack such a good thing to feed?
Thanks for all the info BTW.
 
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tizzo

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Actually, one cube will last about 3 feedings. They contain pretty much every ingredient that I have seen fed to fish and unlike some brands like Hikari, it's not processed. The mysis shrimp for example, when thawed actually LOOK like mysis shrimp. It has a complete algae diet as well as a complete meat diet. You'd think I was makin' a profit!! I just love the stuff. I actually put a cube in a small scoop (like one found in baby formula or diet powders) and dip it, drain, dip it, drain, and pieces come off and go into the water then when your done stick the whole thing back in the freezer til the next feeding. Oh...here's the ingredients.
 
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tizzo

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Oh crap, don't make me write em out, gimme a minute to get a better shot...
 
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tizzo

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There are for cube types, Marine Cuisine, Emerald Entre, Omega Brine shrimp and Squid. The ingredients are as follows...
Marine Cuisine
Artemia Franciscana, krill, mysis, menhaden oil, astaxanthin, sodium alginate, spirulina, Vitamin premix: wheat flour, Vitamin A acetate, cholecalciferol (source of vitamin D3), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, folic acid, menadione sodium bisulfate complex, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, biotin, inositol, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate, betaine, d-alpha mixed tocopherols (source of vitamin E)
Emerald Entrée
Artemia Franciscana, mysis, krill, plankton, spinach, romaine lettuce, red leaf lettuce, spirulina algae, menhaden oil, sodium alginate, Vitamin premix: wheat flour, Vitamin Aacetate, cholecalciferol (source of vitamin D3), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, folic acid, menadione sodium bisulfate complex, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, biotin, inositol, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate, betaine, d-alpha mixed tocopherols (source of vitamin E)
Squid
Omega Brine Shrimp
Artemia franciscana (brine shrimp), emulsified menhaden oil, astaxanthin.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Marine Cuisine Crude Protein Min 6.40%
Crude Fat Min 1.50%
Crude Fiber Max 0.50%
Moisture Max 90.00%
Dry Protein % 64.00%
Emerald Entrée Crude Protein Min 6.20%
Crude Fat Min 1.20%
Crude Fiber Max 0.50%
Moisture Max 90.00%
Dry Protein % 62.00%
Squid Crude Protein Min 16.30%
Crude Fat Min 0.44%
Crude Fiber Max 0.30%
Moisture Max 92.00%
Dry Protein % 82.32%
Omega Brine Shrimp Crude Protein Min 5.8%
Crude Fat Min 1.3%
Crude Fiber Max .5%
Moisture Max 91.0%
Dry Protein % 64.44%
 
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