Hello from Baghdad

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2625674
sorry, but from his own post on a different thread:
people are putting a "noble" connotation to this thread, when it is not really one.
What is more "noble" than racking up a big wad of cash so you take build a giant reef when you get back?

Besides we have some folks who worked a project from the green zone. And they have some quite interesting stories about rockets and stuff. And although I'm sure it has mellowed out over the last few years. It should be interesting to say the least.
 

zman1

Active Member
Glad your safe- So you joined the darkside " A Big Government TAXPAYER income job". What contractor are you a contractor for?
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2633168
Glad your safe- So you joined the darkside " A Big Government TAXPAYER income job". What contractor are you a contractor for?
I'm a Contractor for one of the US Departments.
To clear up an earlier point; I'll leave it up to God, history, and those on the ground over here to decide whether what we are doing is "noble". That's not for me to try to decide. My job, certainly however, was chosen out of a sense of patriotism. The fact that I'm getting paid (well) doesn't change that in my mind. When my training was over I stood, raised my right hand, and swore an oath to the Department I'm contracted with. I took that very seriously.
As for update....
It's hot here. Hot and dusty, with the promise of getting much worse before it gets better. The dust here is so fine it gets into everything. Sometimes the sky is literally brown with it. The breeze, when there is one, is nice, but it blows the sand worse.
I've had a couple of instances the past week that really made me appreciate being here. I've talked to a middle aged businessman quite a bit. I saw a young carpet vendor hand feeding a small bird he was raising that had been orphaned. I saw a street smart local open a car wash...
It's been good for me to put a "human" face on the Iraqi people. In one of our many political discussions a while ago someone made the comment that some people just like to live in oppressive governments. I can say, from what I've seen, these people are no different than I am. They don't want to be oppressed, they want to be happy. The argument is to how best to bring happiness to them.
The Iraqi people I've talked to are friendly people (granted, we're in the IZ). My impression is that for the most part they are like we are back home. Just like back home they have some lunatics running around in their country. Unfortunately here, the lunatics are greater in number and have access to more weapons and crazy neighbors.
Turn the table a bit... Say the Weather Underground would have been more successful in the 60's. What would our country look like today? If resources were as sparce in the USA as they are over here would our original 13 colonies really have unified and won the battle against the British? If our forefathers were of a religion other than Christian would our Constitution have been similarly written?
10 days out of Texas I've come to appreciate just how fortunate we are. War is brutal. Smart bombs can take out particular buildings with ease, but that building then has to be rebuilt. The rubble has to be cleaned up. The roads and sidewalks must be repaired. Water, sewage, power, etc. all must be maintained while dealing with checkpoints, road closures, etc.
I can't imagine trying to raise a family here. I can't imagine having loved ones here. Seeing what it takes to create a Democracy has made me come to respect our founding fathers and their sacrifices so much more.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2633306
so how much oil have you secretly stolen while there to help your buddies back home get rich?
Shhh...
Between you and me, that's how us evil contractors are paid. They pay us in barrels of oil per week. The higher the price of oil goes, the more I make per week

In a related story, I saw on the news that Iraqi oil exports just hit an all time high.
 

nacl freak

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2633301
I'm a Contractor for one of the US Departments.
To clear up an earlier point; I'll leave it up to God, history, and those on the ground over here to decide whether what we are doing is "noble". That's not for me to try to decide. My job, certainly however, was chosen out of a sense of patriotism. The fact that I'm getting paid (well) doesn't change that in my mind. When my training was over I stood, raised my right hand, and swore an oath to the Department I'm contracted with. I took that very seriously.
As for update....
It's hot here. Hot and dusty, with the promise of getting much worse before it gets better. The dust here is so fine it gets into everything. Sometimes the sky is literally brown with it. The breeze, when there is one, is nice, but it blows the sand worse.
I've had a couple of instances the past week that really made me appreciate being here. I've talked to a middle aged businessman quite a bit. I saw a young carpet vendor hand feeding a small bird he was raising that had been orphaned. I saw a street smart local open a car wash...
It's been good for me to put a "human" face on the Iraqi people. In one of our many political discussions a while ago someone made the comment that some people just like to live in oppressive governments. I can say, from what I've seen, these people are no different than I am. They don't want to be oppressed, they want to be happy. The argument is to how best to bring happiness to them.
The Iraqi people I've talked to are friendly people (granted, we're in the IZ). My impression is that for the most part they are like we are back home. Just like back home they have some lunatics running around in their country. Unfortunately here, the lunatics are greater in number and have access to more weapons and crazy neighbors.
Turn the table a bit... Say the Weather Underground would have been more successful in the 60's. What would our country look like today? If resources were as sparce in the USA as they are over here would our original 13 colonies really have unified and won the battle against the British? If our forefathers were of a religion other than Christian would our Constitution have been similarly written?
10 days out of Texas I've come to appreciate just how fortunate we are. War is brutal. Smart bombs can take out particular buildings with ease, but that building then has to be rebuilt. The rubble has to be cleaned up. The roads and sidewalks must be repaired. Water, sewage, power, etc. all must be maintained while dealing with checkpoints, road closures, etc.
I can't imagine trying to raise a family here. I can't imagine having loved ones here. Seeing what it takes to create a Democracy has made me come to respect our founding fathers and their sacrifices so much more.
Reality check! Your post has given me pause for reflection. Thank-you. Be cautious and careful. Come home safe and whole.
 

digitydash

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2633318
Shhh...
Between you and me, that's how us evil contractors are paid. They pay us in barrels of oil per week. The higher the price of oil goes, the more I make per week

In a related story, I saw on the news that Iraqi oil exports just hit an all time high.
I would be to with oil prices so high it a no brainer to do that.Stay safe out their
 

jennythebugg

Active Member
good to hear from you ! about the rebuilding, is it going at a fairly fast pace? are there still alot of destroyed buildings and rubble around? is there anything that you need ? wet wipes ,visine, hat , sunscreen?
 

alix2.0

Active Member
Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2634568
good to hear from you ! about the rebuilding, is it going at a fairly fast pace? are there still alot of destroyed buildings and rubble around? is there anything that you need ? wet wipes ,visine, hat , sunscreen?
yeah i cant even stand going in a hardware store without wet wipes, i cant imagine baghdad.
 

geridoc

Well-Known Member
Journey: Just be careful out there. SWF wouldn't be nearly as interesting without your intelligent arguments with me.
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2633318
Shhh...
Between you and me, that's how us evil contractors are paid. They pay us in barrels of oil per week. The higher the price of oil goes, the more I make per week

In a related story, I saw on the news that Iraqi oil exports just hit an all time high.
So when is the Iraqi government gonna pay it's fair share for the war effort? What are we now, almost 600 billion dollars of our own tax dollars in? I'd hope now that they are hitting all time highs for exports they'd help foot the bill. After all, we've given them democracy and a stable nation

Also, love how some of the war contractors avoid having to pay hundreds of millions in taxes by hiring employees through shell companies that are based over seas.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2634568
good to hear from you ! about the rebuilding, is it going at a fairly fast pace? are there still alot of destroyed buildings and rubble around? is there anything that you need ? wet wipes ,visine, hat , sunscreen?
You're sweet. I'm set actually. What the PX doesn't sell Walmart.com will mail.
There are a lot of partially destroyed buildings here in the IZ; primarily I'm sure because security prohibits any local company from getting the manpower in here to do the job. There is rebuilding taking place, just not the really large scale activity needed. That's gonna have to come in full swing when the insurgents are deeated and the country can focus on it instead of security.
Originally Posted by stdreb27

http:///forum/post/2634636
have you seen any of those giant camel spiders yet?
South America holds the record for the largest spiders. There are a lot of myths about "camel spiders", but those photos you've seen of huge spiders are photoshopped.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2635165
So when is the Iraqi government gonna pay it's fair share for the war effort? What are we now, almost 600 billion dollars of our own tax dollars in? I'd hope now that they are hitting all time highs for exports they'd help foot the bill. After all, we've given them democracy and a stable nation

Also, love how some of the war contractors avoid having to pay hundreds of millions in taxes by hiring employees through shell companies that are based over seas.
As I've said before, it's going to be hard for the Iraqi's to "pay us" for anthing. After all, the Liberals have screamed for years we went into Iraq for the benefit of Haliburton and the oil barons. At the point where we start taking oil money Jmick, many on your side of the aisle will jump up and down, point and scream, "see, it's all about the oil".. I have no idea when they will start paying us back. Of course, it could certainly be argued that record exports of oil from a more stable Iraq helps the global shortage of oil. Just imagine what a barrel of oil would cost if Tehran occupied the Iraqi oil fields.
You are wrong about the taxes. We are contractors; our employers don't pay taxes on us. Companies like Triple Canopy hire employees from South America for jobs like security because they can pay them a tenth of what they can pay an American for the same job. It's about payroll, not taxes. The Triple Canopy guys, of whom I see a lot, stand in the sun, in combat gear, for several hours. In case of an attack they would be the first casualties around here. They literally would serve as human speed bumps to allow American forces time to react.
I have a lot of respect for those guys. They work hard, serve an invaluable roll, are always polite and profesional, and are on the front line.
 

bdhutier

Member
Forget the camel spiders, you should see the scorpions over there!!
I think the Iraqis have been paying their share so far. We are in our sixth year of war there, and have lost a little over 4000 people. That is absolutely un-heard of in the annals of warfare. The Iraqis, however, have taken huge losses (both military and especially civilian) at the hands of so-called "insurgents."
If you ask me, we got the cheap end of that bargain...
 
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