HELP / advice for med pic

gravismaximus

gravismaximus

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hi all, got a clown tang and of course he got ich from being stressed due to a new tank and his lunar wrasse tank mate. glad to say after a day of seeing who was going to be the more dominate fish there all done fighting. but still he has ich! would like your advice on 3 different meds i am considering. i have a 75 with a 30 sump so ill have to get a bigger tank for the tang which i plan on but for now im in a pickle, i cant hypo or use copper to just kill the ich, i have inverts in the system, and moving the tang into a temp tank /rubbermaid container is not a option either, no room and the wife will kill me if i try, and i know for sure- i have tried, lol. so im stuck with living with the ich in the tank, but hopefully i can kill off the ich babys with some meds so they dont overpopulate and kill everything the next time it shows up. the 3 i might try are Herbtana (by microb lift), NO-ICH Marine(by fish vet), and Ich Attack (by Kordon).
the ich attack says it is 100% organic, but also says that it treats diseases caused by ich but dont says anything about treating the ich iteself (babys). is it for somthing else or did they just word it all messed up. the herbtana is 100% natural but again it dont kill the babys it just keeps them from attaching to a host fish so in a way it would kill them. and the no-ich says it treats the ich which i have to assume it means trys to kill the baby ich, but is a chemical. have you used any of these befor and what was the result. also if you have a bottle of them could you check to make sure it says safe for all inverts and scaleless fish/ lionfish, thanks
 
meowzer

meowzer

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I can tell you I used the organic ich attack on a smaller tank....and IMO....if you follow the directions it works
at least it did for me.....I have not seen any signs of ich in over a year, and I have added fish and stuff since
 
beth

beth

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Those reef safe meds are more likey not to work, then work. If they fail, you will have to live with an ich infested tank, or bite the bullet and set up a QT. Until you use qurantine, you will alway have a high risk of introducing ich/sick fish to your display.
 
gravismaximus

gravismaximus

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totaly understand what your saying beth, i would QT if i had a big enough tank to do it. i tried using a 10g for a qt and every thing i ever put in it died, (6 attempts) i have to assume the 3" fish were to streesed due to the size of the tank. so i stoped using a Qt so of courseits in the tank, i live with it in there but just want soming to help fight it from populating more. i alrrady use garlic as well.
Anyway the question wasnt how do i not get ich, because im fully aware that there was ich in the tank befor adding the clown tang, it just wasnt showing up on the othwer fish due to there immune systems. but the new tang is stressed and well its a tang its what they do (get ich). i just want advice on what one if you had to use out of the three i listed would you use, and if you have did it seem to at least help in some way. thanks again
 
cranberry

cranberry

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/383492/help-advice-for-med-pic#post_3354389
I can tell you I used the organic ich attack on a smaller tank....and IMO....if you follow the directions it works
at least it did for me.....I have not seen any signs of ich in over a year, and I have added fish and stuff since
Sometimes fish can overcome the Ich themselves. It very well may be that the additive didn't cure the Ich, but that the fish have managed the infestation on their own. I think many of the cases that state the Ich went away after using these reef safe methods are a case of their fish just "takin' care of business".
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///forum/thread/383492/help-advice-for-med-pic#post_3354550
Sometimes fish can overcome the Ich themselves. It very well may be that the additive didn't cure the Ich, but that the fish have managed the infestation on their own. I think many of the cases that state the Ich went away after using these reef safe methods are a case of their fish just "takin' care of business".
Could be.....I rarely ever recommend this ....(or admit I used it LOL) I only did this time because they specifically asked about it....
 
cranberry

cranberry

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I figure it's why it "works' for some and not others....
If it looks like it works, the fish were probably going to overcome it anyways, with or without treatment. If it doesn't "work" than the fish could not overcome it on their own and in the absence of any "real" treatment.... they die.
 
beth

beth

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A 20 long is a good QT size. IMO, it is extremely hard to keep fish healthy in a reef tank wo a QT. You can do a 10 gal, but you have to either get small fish, or juvenile fish. 3 weeks QT is enough time, unless you encounter a disease.
Most of these reef safe meds work (haphazardly) at disrupting the attachment of the parasite to the fish, thus disrupting the life cycle of the parasite. However, it is hardly full-proof. I could compare it the effectiveness of some contraceptive techniques, but won't do it here....

Copper and hypo, done correctly, has the highest reliability....in fact, either one has never failed me.
 
gravismaximus

gravismaximus

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thanks for the info, i wish i could get a bigger QT now, but like i said cant untill we move. (years from now). when i do i will ll use my current 75 for a sump, buy a 200 (fish will need from growing) and use my current 30 sump as a QT so i can get a 3-4inch fish without stresing them to death. ill try the ich attack, and raise the temp some and continue using garlic soaked foods.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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hi all, got a clown tang and of course he got ich from being stressed due to a new tank and his lunar wrasse tank mate.
no your fish got ick because it was exposed to the ick
Parasite
 
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