scopus tang
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Armor of God color and polyps appear to be fading. Located near top of tank (~14 to 16inches below 250 MH). Any thoughts are suggestions appreciated.
Help from the Zoa Pros please
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angler man
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How did your paramaters come out? Also, have you changed your carbon lately? How long have you had the frag?
Note: I'm no Zoa pro, if I can help I shall try my best.
Note: I'm no Zoa pro, if I can help I shall try my best.
flricordia
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No pro here either, but most palys do not like too intense a light. Many will even develope white spots I think it is where they have expelled their zooxanthellae.
I have had it happen to PE before and when I moved them out from directly under the Mh they regained their color.
Not that this means anything from what I understand too clean of water is not good for them either and too much running carbon can cause them to close up, but I wouldn't personally know, I don't use carbon except for emergencies.
I have had it happen to PE before and when I moved them out from directly under the Mh they regained their color.
Not that this means anything from what I understand too clean of water is not good for them either and too much running carbon can cause them to close up, but I wouldn't personally know, I don't use carbon except for emergencies.
scopus tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by Angler man
http:///forum/post/2613801
How did your paramaters come out? Also, have you changed your carbon lately? How long have you had the frag?
Note: I'm no Zoa pro, if I can help I shall try my best.
Thank you
ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates are all zero
alkalinity fluctuates between 9 - 12 (adding dKH almost daily ~ can't keep it up)
Carbon 600ppm
Temp 79 - 80.5
Carbon changed last about two weeks ago (only running off and on)
Had the frag a little over four months. Decline in the last two weeks.
http:///forum/post/2613801
How did your paramaters come out? Also, have you changed your carbon lately? How long have you had the frag?
Note: I'm no Zoa pro, if I can help I shall try my best.
Thank you
ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates are all zero
alkalinity fluctuates between 9 - 12 (adding dKH almost daily ~ can't keep it up)
Carbon 600ppm
Temp 79 - 80.5
Carbon changed last about two weeks ago (only running off and on)
Had the frag a little over four months. Decline in the last two weeks.
scopus tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by Flricordia
http:///forum/post/2613817
No pro here either, but most palys do not like too intense a light. Many will even develope white spots I think it is where they have expelled their zooxanthellae.
I have had it happen to PE before and when I moved them out from directly under the Mh they regained their color.
Not that this means anything from what I understand too clean of water is not good for them either and too much running carbon can cause them to close up, but I wouldn't personally know, I don't use carbon except for emergencies.
Thanks Mike, I knew most weren't into intense light, but had read the true Armor of God prefers it, so set the plug high. Perhaps these weren't true or perhaps simply too much. I moved the plug lower thinking the same thing, so we'll see what that does. Also like you have seen that they prefer some nutrients in the water column, but with my sump I haven't had any nutrients since about week 3, even when the carbon filter is shut off.
http:///forum/post/2613817
No pro here either, but most palys do not like too intense a light. Many will even develope white spots I think it is where they have expelled their zooxanthellae.
I have had it happen to PE before and when I moved them out from directly under the Mh they regained their color.
Not that this means anything from what I understand too clean of water is not good for them either and too much running carbon can cause them to close up, but I wouldn't personally know, I don't use carbon except for emergencies.
Thanks Mike, I knew most weren't into intense light, but had read the true Armor of God prefers it, so set the plug high. Perhaps these weren't true or perhaps simply too much. I moved the plug lower thinking the same thing, so we'll see what that does. Also like you have seen that they prefer some nutrients in the water column, but with my sump I haven't had any nutrients since about week 3, even when the carbon filter is shut off.
spiderwoman
Active Member
No expert here either, but I have all my paly's in the bottom of my tank.
perfectdark
Active Member
Im guessing they were too close to the intense light. Depending on where they came from what type of lights and placment in tank. Generally its good practice to start them lower in your tank anyway, then gradually move them closer to the light or where ever you want them to end up in your tank. Light shock can easily fade corals out.
BTW I am no pro this is just ME. I currently have a colony of zoa's that are 4" below the surface of the water with a 150W MH on them, they never looked better. In the beginning I did have to acclimate them to this light though, so I started them on my SB and moved them up over the course of 3 weeks.
BTW I am no pro this is just ME. I currently have a colony of zoa's that are 4" below the surface of the water with a 150W MH on them, they never looked better. In the beginning I did have to acclimate them to this light though, so I started them on my SB and moved them up over the course of 3 weeks.
tjone752000
Member
I`m no pro ,but all my zoo`s and paly`s are on bottom under 250 mh. They love the sasnd bed.
scopus tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by SpiderWoman
http:///forum/post/2613965
No expert here either, but I have all my paly's in the bottom of my tank.
Originally Posted by PerfectDark
http:///forum/post/2613993
Im guessing they were too close to the intense light. Depending on where they came from what type of lights and placment in tank. Generally its good practice to start them lower in your tank anyway, then gradually move them closer to the light or where ever you want them to end up in your tank. Light shock can easily fade corals out.
BTW I am no pro this is just ME. I currently have a colony of zoa's that are 4" below the surface of the water with a 150W MH on them, they never looked better. In the beginning I did have to acclimate them to this light though, so I started them on my SB and moved them up over the course of 3 weeks.
Thanks Spidey and PD, I did light acclimate when I first put them in the tank, and for the first three months they seemed to do fine ~ Great color, they were splitting, getting new polyps etc. About three weeks ago they begin to decline ~ polyps disappearing, but still good color. I took them out examined under a scope (didn't dip cause I didn't have iodine at the time and didn't want to do a freshwater dip) and didn't see any predators. Last week I begin to notice the color decline. So the end of last week I moved them down to the sandbed. Just have a feeling that there is more than just the light involved here since they did so well in the beginning, but I don't have any clue what.
http:///forum/post/2613965
No expert here either, but I have all my paly's in the bottom of my tank.
Originally Posted by PerfectDark
http:///forum/post/2613993
Im guessing they were too close to the intense light. Depending on where they came from what type of lights and placment in tank. Generally its good practice to start them lower in your tank anyway, then gradually move them closer to the light or where ever you want them to end up in your tank. Light shock can easily fade corals out.
BTW I am no pro this is just ME. I currently have a colony of zoa's that are 4" below the surface of the water with a 150W MH on them, they never looked better. In the beginning I did have to acclimate them to this light though, so I started them on my SB and moved them up over the course of 3 weeks.
Thanks Spidey and PD, I did light acclimate when I first put them in the tank, and for the first three months they seemed to do fine ~ Great color, they were splitting, getting new polyps etc. About three weeks ago they begin to decline ~ polyps disappearing, but still good color. I took them out examined under a scope (didn't dip cause I didn't have iodine at the time and didn't want to do a freshwater dip) and didn't see any predators. Last week I begin to notice the color decline. So the end of last week I moved them down to the sandbed. Just have a feeling that there is more than just the light involved here since they did so well in the beginning, but I don't have any clue what.
scopus tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by tjone752000
http:///forum/post/2614006
I`m no pro ,but all my zoo`s and paly`s are on bottom under 250 mh. They love the sasnd bed.
Originally Posted by drea
http:///forum/post/2614020
zoos are weird sometimes, i just lost 2 ppe's!! so mad, and the other two are fine, i dipped them too, idk.. make sure you keep them away from other corals as well...
there are just so many factors to consider, but keeping everything consistent is a good rule of thumb
Thanks for the input folks ~ currently have them sitting on the sandbed, we'll see if that helps them recover. Any further thoughts are welcome as well.
http:///forum/post/2614006
I`m no pro ,but all my zoo`s and paly`s are on bottom under 250 mh. They love the sasnd bed.
Originally Posted by drea
http:///forum/post/2614020
zoos are weird sometimes, i just lost 2 ppe's!! so mad, and the other two are fine, i dipped them too, idk.. make sure you keep them away from other corals as well...
there are just so many factors to consider, but keeping everything consistent is a good rule of thumb
Thanks for the input folks ~ currently have them sitting on the sandbed, we'll see if that helps them recover. Any further thoughts are welcome as well.
scopus tang
Active Member
BTW all, didn't mean to imply that I wanted help just from the experts. As always, appreciate any and all help I can get. Thanks again
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perfectdark
Active Member
Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2614135
BTW all, didn't mean to imply that I wanted help just from the experts. As always, appreciate any and all help I can get. Thanks again
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In either case I would ask ReefKprZ, I would imagine he would have the best guess, answer and advice for you.
http:///forum/post/2614135
BTW all, didn't mean to imply that I wanted help just from the experts. As always, appreciate any and all help I can get. Thanks again
In either case I would ask ReefKprZ, I would imagine he would have the best guess, answer and advice for you.
scopus tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by PerfectDark
http:///forum/post/2614138
In either case I would ask ReefKprZ, I would imagine he would have the best guess, answer and advice for you.
Thanks PD, I believe that I will do that.
http:///forum/post/2614138
In either case I would ask ReefKprZ, I would imagine he would have the best guess, answer and advice for you.
Thanks PD, I believe that I will do that.
angler man
Member
If it were me, I would frag at least one polyp off and get it into a friends tank(if possible). This seems like a really bad situation.
scopus tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by Angler man
http:///forum/post/2614338
If it were me, I would frag at least one polyp off and get it into a friends tank(if possible). This seems like a really bad situation.
Yep! I'm ahead of you there. I've got frags already done and placed in two different school tank. One appears to be doing well (fragged about two weeks ago, when I really started noticing the decline). The other is a recent frag (about a week), and still isn't looking great ~ hasn't opened back up or anything. I may go ahead and do one more, but I don't want to stress it out worse. Think I should try another now?
http:///forum/post/2614338
If it were me, I would frag at least one polyp off and get it into a friends tank(if possible). This seems like a really bad situation.
Yep! I'm ahead of you there. I've got frags already done and placed in two different school tank. One appears to be doing well (fragged about two weeks ago, when I really started noticing the decline). The other is a recent frag (about a week), and still isn't looking great ~ hasn't opened back up or anything. I may go ahead and do one more, but I don't want to stress it out worse. Think I should try another now?
angler man
Member
Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2614365
Yep! I'm ahead of you there. I've got frags already done and placed in two different school tank. One appears to be doing well (fragged about two weeks ago, when I really started noticing the decline). The other is a recent frag (about a week), and still isn't looking great ~ hasn't opened back up or anything. I may go ahead and do one more, but I don't want to stress it out worse. Think I should try another now?
No, I would leave it alone. As long as you have a frag that's doing well that's all you can hope for. It's really easy to make a bad situation worse with these things. I was suggesting a Hail Mary. Looks like this may work out for you.
http:///forum/post/2614365
Yep! I'm ahead of you there. I've got frags already done and placed in two different school tank. One appears to be doing well (fragged about two weeks ago, when I really started noticing the decline). The other is a recent frag (about a week), and still isn't looking great ~ hasn't opened back up or anything. I may go ahead and do one more, but I don't want to stress it out worse. Think I should try another now?
No, I would leave it alone. As long as you have a frag that's doing well that's all you can hope for. It's really easy to make a bad situation worse with these things. I was suggesting a Hail Mary. Looks like this may work out for you.
scopus tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by Angler man
http:///forum/post/2614401
No, I would leave it alone. As long as you have a frag that's doing well that's all you can hope for. It's really easy to make a bad situation worse with these things. I was suggesting a Hail Mary. Looks like this may work out for you.
Thanks Angler, appreciate all your help.
http:///forum/post/2614401
No, I would leave it alone. As long as you have a frag that's doing well that's all you can hope for. It's really easy to make a bad situation worse with these things. I was suggesting a Hail Mary. Looks like this may work out for you.
Thanks Angler, appreciate all your help.
reefkprz
Active Member
Originally Posted by PerfectDark
http:///forum/post/2613993
Im guessing they were too close to the intense light. Depending on where they came from what type of lights and placment in tank. Generally its good practice to start them lower in your tank anyway, then gradually move them closer to the light or where ever you want them to end up in your tank. Light shock can easily fade corals out.
BTW I am no pro this is just ME. I currently have a colony of zoa's that are 4" below the surface of the water with a 150W MH on them, they never looked better. In the beginning I did have to acclimate them to this light though, so I started them on my SB and moved them up over the course of 3 weeks.
I agree it sounds like light shock to me. its really hard to know what conditions the frags were under before, even if the people had the exact same lights as you and you placed the coral in the same position they had it your better water clarity, or newer bulbs could easily burn them. Like PD mentioned start frags out low and slowly move them over the course of several weeks to where you want them, for the best results dont move a frag more than 4 inches up or down in one shot, and with halides dont move them more than 4 inches directly towards or aways from the horizontal center of your bulb. since tyou have already lowered them and split them up. I would leave them alone, the more you mess with them the more energy they expend readjusting to the new position.
http:///forum/post/2613993
Im guessing they were too close to the intense light. Depending on where they came from what type of lights and placment in tank. Generally its good practice to start them lower in your tank anyway, then gradually move them closer to the light or where ever you want them to end up in your tank. Light shock can easily fade corals out.
BTW I am no pro this is just ME. I currently have a colony of zoa's that are 4" below the surface of the water with a 150W MH on them, they never looked better. In the beginning I did have to acclimate them to this light though, so I started them on my SB and moved them up over the course of 3 weeks.
I agree it sounds like light shock to me. its really hard to know what conditions the frags were under before, even if the people had the exact same lights as you and you placed the coral in the same position they had it your better water clarity, or newer bulbs could easily burn them. Like PD mentioned start frags out low and slowly move them over the course of several weeks to where you want them, for the best results dont move a frag more than 4 inches up or down in one shot, and with halides dont move them more than 4 inches directly towards or aways from the horizontal center of your bulb. since tyou have already lowered them and split them up. I would leave them alone, the more you mess with them the more energy they expend readjusting to the new position.
scopus tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefkprZ
http:///forum/post/2614419
I agree it sounds like light shock to me. its really hard to know what conditions the frags were under before, even if the people had the exact same lights as you and you placed the coral in the same position they had it your better water clarity, or newer bulbs could easily burn them. Like PD mentioned start frags out low and slowly move them over the course of several weeks to where you want them, for the best results dont move a frag more than 4 inches up or down in one shot, and with halides dont move them more than 4 inches directly towards or aways from the horizontal center of your bulb. since tyou have already lowered them and split them up. I would leave them alone, the more you mess with them the more energy they expend readjusting to the new position.
Very good then (or not good as the case may be) We will leave them where they are and see what happens. Just seems strange that they did fine for almost three months, where growing and slitting good, than begin to decline. Definitely going to have to be more careful with light acclimation ~ never had MH before, just PCs, so it was never really an issue.
http:///forum/post/2614419
I agree it sounds like light shock to me. its really hard to know what conditions the frags were under before, even if the people had the exact same lights as you and you placed the coral in the same position they had it your better water clarity, or newer bulbs could easily burn them. Like PD mentioned start frags out low and slowly move them over the course of several weeks to where you want them, for the best results dont move a frag more than 4 inches up or down in one shot, and with halides dont move them more than 4 inches directly towards or aways from the horizontal center of your bulb. since tyou have already lowered them and split them up. I would leave them alone, the more you mess with them the more energy they expend readjusting to the new position.
Very good then (or not good as the case may be) We will leave them where they are and see what happens. Just seems strange that they did fine for almost three months, where growing and slitting good, than begin to decline. Definitely going to have to be more careful with light acclimation ~ never had MH before, just PCs, so it was never really an issue.