help me plz whats my limit max

rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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To original poster:
You'll like this combo:
2 occellaris clowns (picasso, n*a*k*e*d, b&w, standard) you pick! sorry there's a language filter
1 rainfords/court jester goby (add later on or if tank has already been going for months then its ok to add them, they sift sand and hair algae for pods)
1 hector's goby (same as rainford's for diet)
1 bluespot jawfish (or yellow head if you can't break off that kind of money) or the goby/shrimp combo-you'll have to pick either the goby/shrimp or jawfish because they'll fight over burrow space and the jawfish will kill the goby and maybe eat the shrimp.
2 neon gobies.
2 gold nosed eviota gobies.
There's several nano fish you could get that look cool, its up to you. The neon gobies, eviota gobies rainfords, and hector's really don't do alot to affect bioload because for the most part they're pod eaters so just make sure you have plenty of rock and the tank is established.. the eviotas and neons may also scavenge small pieces of mysis and other food too.
 
keri

keri

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Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2807234
To original poster:
You'll like this combo:
2 occellaris clowns (picasso, n*a*k*e*d, b&w, standard) you pick! sorry there's a language filter
1 rainfords/court jester goby (add later on or if tank has already been going for months then its ok to add them, they sift sand and hair algae for pods)
1 hector's goby (same as rainford's for diet)
1 bluespot jawfish (or yellow head if you can't break off that kind of money) or the goby/shrimp combo-you'll have to pick either the goby/shrimp or jawfish because they'll fight over burrow space and the jawfish will kill the goby and maybe eat the shrimp.
2 neon gobies.
2 gold nosed eviota gobies.
There's several nano fish you could get that look cool, its up to you. The neon gobies, eviota gobies rainfords, and hector's really don't do alot to affect bioload because for the most part they're pod eaters so just make sure you have plenty of rock and the tank is established.. the eviotas and neons may also scavenge small pieces of mysis and other food too.

Wouldn't so many pod eaters likely starve in a tank that small? (or will those fish also take prepared foods....but that negates the pod eating thing) I don't know about those fish but if they reallly need pods I wouldn't do it. Sorry, not trying to bash, it just doesn't make sense to me.
edit: about the jumper: the biocube's are covered so the only place it would be able to go is into one of the back compartments, and I bet a screen could be rigged up
I really like the look of the picassos, or the onyx percs if you're considering clowns, they are not as commonly seen
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by Keri
http:///forum/post/2807654
Wouldn't so many pod eaters likely starve in a tank that small? (or will those fish also take prepared foods....but that negates the pod eating thing) I don't know about those fish but if they reallly need pods I wouldn't do it. Sorry, not trying to bash, it just doesn't make sense to me.
the neon gobies and eviotas will take prepared foods... the rainfords and hector's won't... Run alot of rock in the tank... run a tigger pod culture in there, hit it with phyto every few days... works like a charm. Why don't I ever seem to have any of these problems that bring about these "scares."
With my success at doing everything "wrong", I don't ever want to be right.
 
keri

keri

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Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2807660
the neon gobies and eviotas will take prepared foods... the rainfords and hector's won't... Run alot of rock in the tank... run a tigger pod culture in there, hit it with phyto every few days... works like a charm. Why don't I ever seem to have any of these problems that bring about these "scares."
With my success at doing everything "wrong", I don't ever want to be right.

I wonder if it's possible to run a "remote" refugium on a bicube? that would certainly help....and kind of a fun project.
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by Keri
http:///forum/post/2807664
I wonder if it's possible to run a "remote" refugium on a bicube? that would certainly help....and kind of a fun project.
of course... rip the lid off.. run an AC110 or whatever fits on the back...
 
mcbdz

mcbdz

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Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2807660
Why don't I ever seem to have any of these problems that bring about these "scares."
With my success at doing everything "wrong", I don't ever want to be right.
Most likely because you haven't be doing it long enough. Sorry, but even the best have had their issues and somethings will just work for you if you really keep up maintance but, somethings it takes awhile for things to add up and WHAM!. Sorry I had a crash after a year and learned a lot of things fast.
Pattie
 
fallensynner

fallensynner

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i heard 1/2" of fish per gallon will work well and since i have 29g i will get less than 15" of fish does this sound good? im sticking to 11" to 14" of total fish in the tank and fish no bigger than 3"
ill post the final rough draft later tonight
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by mcbdz
http:///forum/post/2807751
Most likely because you haven't be doing it long enough. Sorry, but even the best have had their issues and somethings will just work for you if you really keep up maintance but, somethings it takes awhile for things to add up and WHAM!. Sorry I had a crash after a year and learned a lot of things fast.
Pattie
Yeah only been doing it 4 years you're right... my first tank was a decoart 6x6x6 aquavase that looked better than alot of people's big tanks... ran it for 18months till someone used something other than a toothbrush to scrub it while I was out of town and scratched the plastic... then everything went in my 20long. Even had the pump die on the nanofilter and replaced it in the time the tank was running.
I had a branching hammer in there, ricordea, zoas, and a feather duster... I fragged the hell out of the branching hammer... must have been doing something right.. Don't get me wrong, I've had crashes but they always happen when I'm out of town, maybe I like riding on the edge but I don't personally ever see any of these problems anymore. I've developed my own method that works well in regards to tackling filtration and it might not work for others. Like I've said several times, with all my successes at doing things "wrong", I don't ever want to be right. Also be aware that all crashes I ever had were minor and no long term damage, I did learn ALOT about phosphates over the years though... never had nitrate issues or any of that.
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by FaLLenSyNNer
http:///forum/post/2808683
i heard 1/2" of fish per gallon will work well and since i have 29g i will get less than 15" of fish does this sound good?
ill post the final rough draft later tonight
It all depends on specifics... of course things that don't make a huge mess while eating don't exactly impact bioload and then territoriality of the fish and their diets...
You can have a 3inch angler in there, but you can't keep any other fish lol..even if the bioload is low.
it all depends man, you could have very few fish that all fight (damsels) or a bunch of fish that don't (my nano goby list.)
I'll do what I want as its what works for me and I'm not going to set up a tank with the 2 8inch fish in a 240gallon mentality, what's the point?
 
fallensynner

fallensynner

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yes obviously im not going to house a fu manchu either in there because that will be all, i was talking about the fish iv already mentioned, if anybody lsts all the posibilities and scenarios for ever convo then ever post would be 5 pages long some thing r implied and if Qs arrive they r asked
ok iv made 3 lists tell me wat u guys think
first:
1 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
1 green clown goby - max 1.5"
total length 12.5"
second:
1 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
1 sixline wrasse - max 3"
total length 14"
third:
1 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
1 royal gamma - max 3"
total length 14"
 
chasar

chasar

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I would go with the first list. I have never had luck with a Royal, and I had a sixline that became tank dominate and stressed out the rest of the fish in the tank. Keep in mind that the fish you are looking at IMO do better in pairs and sometimes are boring by themselves. It is your tank and do what YOU want to do. Keep in mind that there are a lot of great fish on your list, and there's always the fact that eventually you will go bigger, and can house all either together or in seperate tanks.
 
purpletang1

purpletang1

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I would go with list #2 the sixline wrasse is a nice fish and I have never had problems with mine. He is in a 90 gallon and does great. I would add him last though.
 
fallensynner

fallensynner

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ok i need one more fish to add to these
1 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
the six line and 4/12 line wrasse r very agrressive towards shy inoffensive species(ie. gobies, dartfish...) and i have 2 of those at least and in a 29g tank small compared to the 90g that was spoken about ABOVE im afraid that it will be agrressive
so the next fish i needs to be reef safe, 3" or less when an adult and the six and 4/12 wrasse r out.
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

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Originally Posted by FaLLenSyNNer
http:///forum/post/2809056
ok i need one more fish to add to these
1 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
the six line and 4/12 line wrasse r very agrressive towards shy inoffensive species(ie. gobies, dartfish...) and i have 2 of those at least and in a 29g tank small compared to the 90g that was spoken about ABOVE im afraid that it will be agrressive
so the next fish i needs to be reef safe, 3" or less when an adult and the six and 4/12 wrasse r out.
Your list is nice for a 29. I don't think that you need to think about another fish now. You are close to max with your current list. For one more I would go with a blenny. Bicolor are very nice. The hi-fin is tiny. They are very tiny. Cute little guys though.
 
fallensynner

fallensynner

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ok this is the final list i will be getting one of these three
first:
1 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
1 yellow clown goby - max 1.5"
total length 12.5"
second:
2 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
total length 14"
third:
1 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
1 tailspot blenny - max 2.5"
total length 13.5"
this is my final list and i was going to go with the 2 nemos but at the last second found the blenny so that messed up everything
 
m0nk

m0nk

Active Member
Originally Posted by FaLLenSyNNer
http:///forum/post/2808801
yes obviously im not going to house a fu manchu either in there because that will be all, i was talking about the fish iv already mentioned, if anybody lsts all the posibilities and scenarios for ever convo then ever post would be 5 pages long some thing r implied and if Qs arrive they r asked
ok iv made 3 lists tell me wat u guys think
first:
1 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
1 green clown goby - max 1.5"
total length 12.5"
second:
1 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
1 sixline wrasse - max 3"
total length 14"
third:
1 nemo - max 3"
1 hi fin banded goby - max 2" w/ pistol shrimp
1 purple firefish - max 3"
1 bangaii cardinalfish - max 3"
1 royal gamma - max 3"
total length 14"
That still seems like too many fish, IMO. 4 fish tops would be my limit on that size.
Also, you can't go by inches/gallons, it's not in any way accurate.
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by PurpleTang1
http:///forum/post/2808939
I would go with list #2 the sixline wrasse is a nice fish and I have never had problems with mine. He is in a 90 gallon and does great. I would add him last though.
right... a 90gallon...lots of room for territories there.
To prove a point, lots of fish can be extremely belligerent.
I had a bicolor blenny added after a sixline one time in a 20long and they fought all the time. The bicolor made the sixline jump and then my clown jump and even went as far as pestering a rainford's goby. The bicolor was dropped off at a LFS and thrown in with their flame angel for "reeducation" needless to say 2 days later, the flame angel jumped and was covered in bites lol... that bicolor was destined for the stomach of a piscovore.
 
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