reefraff
Active Member
I challenge anybody to read the following article and come back and say Illegal aliens are good for the US
http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_4_mexico.html
http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_4_mexico.html
How do you explain this?- Illegals
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mfp1016
Member
Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2494465
So you think employers who are asking these illegals for SS cards arent going to be taking taxes out of their checks as well?
Why would they ask for one otherwise?
Ive known people who are illegal with fake SS cards, and get taxes taken out of their pay checks. And get this, they can even file their taxes at the end of the year with a tax id number anyone can get.
My point was that you allege they come here and get taxable jobs; my argument is that probably less than 1% are in those kinds of jobs. Do you really believe that the taxes paid by that incredibly small percentage makes up for the increase in criminal activity brought about by illegal immigration (I'm not even talking about their entry into the country), or the money taken out of the US economy?
Got to love Democrats, balk balk balk about the US economy and how we need more American jobs blah blah blah, then they are all for illegal immigration, a policy that directly affects the very thing they balk about.
http:///forum/post/2494465
So you think employers who are asking these illegals for SS cards arent going to be taking taxes out of their checks as well?
Why would they ask for one otherwise?
Ive known people who are illegal with fake SS cards, and get taxes taken out of their pay checks. And get this, they can even file their taxes at the end of the year with a tax id number anyone can get.
My point was that you allege they come here and get taxable jobs; my argument is that probably less than 1% are in those kinds of jobs. Do you really believe that the taxes paid by that incredibly small percentage makes up for the increase in criminal activity brought about by illegal immigration (I'm not even talking about their entry into the country), or the money taken out of the US economy?
Got to love Democrats, balk balk balk about the US economy and how we need more American jobs blah blah blah, then they are all for illegal immigration, a policy that directly affects the very thing they balk about.
phelpz
Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2494532
How about we put a few facts on the table.
First and foremost illegals are bringing in diseases we had spents decades to make rare occurances. Part of the LEGAL immigration process is vacinations. Now not only do we spend billions to educate other nations kids in their native language, we allow them to expose our kids to contagious diseases. I guess we should pay to vacinate their kids too now.
If that were true I'm pretty sure I wouldnt be alive still.
I saw that same fake story. Then a whole bunch of people did research on it, and yeah. All the diseases theyre bringing in arent more common than they were 30 years ago.
http:///forum/post/2494532
How about we put a few facts on the table.
First and foremost illegals are bringing in diseases we had spents decades to make rare occurances. Part of the LEGAL immigration process is vacinations. Now not only do we spend billions to educate other nations kids in their native language, we allow them to expose our kids to contagious diseases. I guess we should pay to vacinate their kids too now.
If that were true I'm pretty sure I wouldnt be alive still.
I saw that same fake story. Then a whole bunch of people did research on it, and yeah. All the diseases theyre bringing in arent more common than they were 30 years ago.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2495003
If that were true I'm pretty sure I wouldnt be alive still.
I saw that same fake story. Then a whole bunch of people did research on it, and yeah. All the diseases theyre bringing in arent more common than they were 30 years ago.
Have any links to support this? South Texas has an increased number of diseases such as TB and Whooping Cough.
Diseases and parasites do come into the country from Central and South America. Not only can they be spread through poor food handling practices, many are spread in close contact. Further, the treatment of theses illnesses are a further drain on the local economies.
http:///forum/post/2495003
If that were true I'm pretty sure I wouldnt be alive still.
I saw that same fake story. Then a whole bunch of people did research on it, and yeah. All the diseases theyre bringing in arent more common than they were 30 years ago.
Have any links to support this? South Texas has an increased number of diseases such as TB and Whooping Cough.
Diseases and parasites do come into the country from Central and South America. Not only can they be spread through poor food handling practices, many are spread in close contact. Further, the treatment of theses illnesses are a further drain on the local economies.
sciknen
Member
i think we cud keep the border (wall or fence) but just police it a helluva lot better
i no citizens are starting to get involved
but they shudnt have to
they are givin up their time for nothign
they shud be compensated
also some citizens dont have the proper training to police something
but i love that they do it
i think the us gov shud give some funding every year so we can have a large force police the border
i no citizens are starting to get involved
but they shudnt have to
they are givin up their time for nothign
they shud be compensated
also some citizens dont have the proper training to police something
but i love that they do it
i think the us gov shud give some funding every year so we can have a large force police the border
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by phelpz
http:///forum/post/2495003
If that were true I'm pretty sure I wouldnt be alive still.
I saw that same fake story. Then a whole bunch of people did research on it, and yeah. All the diseases theyre bringing in arent more common than they were 30 years ago.
The only fake stories I have seen are those about how good Illegal Aliens are for our country
http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf
When my grandfather came to America, he first kissed the
ground of New York’s Ellis Island, then he stripped
[hr]
and
coughed hard. Every legal immigrant before 1924 was examined
for infectious diseases upon arrival and tested for tuberculosis.
Anyone infected was shipped back to the old country. That was
powerful incentive for each newcomer to make heroic efforts to
appear healthy.Today, immigrants must demonstrate that they
are free of communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for
lawful permanent residency green cards. Illegal aliens simply cross
our borders medically unexamined, hiding in their bodies any
number of communicable diseases.
Many illegals who cross our borders have tuberculosis. That disease
had largely disappeared from America, thanks to excellent hygiene
and powerful modern drugs such as isoniazid and rifampin.
TB’s swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60 percent of those
infected because of new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis (MDRTB).
Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico. This
M is resistant to at least two major
antitubercular drugs. OrdinaryTB usually is cured in six months with
four drugs that cost about $2,000. MDR-TB takes 24 months with
many expensive drugs that cost around $250,000,with toxic side
effects. Each illegal with MDR-TB coughs and infects 10 to 30
people, who will not show symptoms immediately. Latent disease
explodes later.
TB was virtually absent inVirginia until in 2002, when it spiked
a 17 percent increase, but Prince William County, just south of
Washington, D.C., had a much larger rise of 188 percent. Public
health officials blamed immigrants. In 2001 the Indiana School of
Medicine studied an outbreak of MDR-TB, and traced it to
Mexican illegal aliens. The Queens, New York, health department
attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants. The
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ascribed 42 percent of
all new TB cases to “foreign born” people who have up to eighttimes higher incidence. Apparently, 66 percent of all TB cases coming to America originate in Mexico, the Philippines, and Vietnam. Virulent TB outbreaks afflicted schoolteachers and children in Michigan, adults and children in Texas, and policemen in Minnesota. Recently TB erupted in Portland, Maine, and Del Rey Beach, Florida.
http:///forum/post/2495003
If that were true I'm pretty sure I wouldnt be alive still.
I saw that same fake story. Then a whole bunch of people did research on it, and yeah. All the diseases theyre bringing in arent more common than they were 30 years ago.
The only fake stories I have seen are those about how good Illegal Aliens are for our country
http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf
When my grandfather came to America, he first kissed the
ground of New York’s Ellis Island, then he stripped
[hr]
and
coughed hard. Every legal immigrant before 1924 was examined
for infectious diseases upon arrival and tested for tuberculosis.
Anyone infected was shipped back to the old country. That was
powerful incentive for each newcomer to make heroic efforts to
appear healthy.Today, immigrants must demonstrate that they
are free of communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for
lawful permanent residency green cards. Illegal aliens simply cross
our borders medically unexamined, hiding in their bodies any
number of communicable diseases.
Many illegals who cross our borders have tuberculosis. That disease
had largely disappeared from America, thanks to excellent hygiene
and powerful modern drugs such as isoniazid and rifampin.
TB’s swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60 percent of those
infected because of new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis (MDRTB).
Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico. This
M is resistant to at least two major
antitubercular drugs. OrdinaryTB usually is cured in six months with
four drugs that cost about $2,000. MDR-TB takes 24 months with
many expensive drugs that cost around $250,000,with toxic side
effects. Each illegal with MDR-TB coughs and infects 10 to 30
people, who will not show symptoms immediately. Latent disease
explodes later.
TB was virtually absent inVirginia until in 2002, when it spiked
a 17 percent increase, but Prince William County, just south of
Washington, D.C., had a much larger rise of 188 percent. Public
health officials blamed immigrants. In 2001 the Indiana School of
Medicine studied an outbreak of MDR-TB, and traced it to
Mexican illegal aliens. The Queens, New York, health department
attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants. The
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ascribed 42 percent of
all new TB cases to “foreign born” people who have up to eighttimes higher incidence. Apparently, 66 percent of all TB cases coming to America originate in Mexico, the Philippines, and Vietnam. Virulent TB outbreaks afflicted schoolteachers and children in Michigan, adults and children in Texas, and policemen in Minnesota. Recently TB erupted in Portland, Maine, and Del Rey Beach, Florida.
reefraff
Active Member
And there's more
Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or
“kissing bug disease is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which
prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it
carries, , infects 18 million people annually in
Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. This disease also
infiltrates America’s blood supply. Chagas affects blood
transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of
blood recipients may be silently infected. After 10 to 20 years, up
to 30 percent will die when their hearts or intestines, enlarged and
weakened by Chagas, burst. Three people in 2001 received
Chagas-infected organ transplants.Two died.
Leprosy, a scourge in Biblical days and in medieval Europe, so
horribly destroys flesh and faces it was called the “disease of the
soul.” Lepers quarantined in leprosaria sounded noisemakers when
they ventured out to warn people to stay far away. Leprosy, Hansen’s
disease, was so rare inAmerica that in 40 years only 900 people were
afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than
7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern
states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy
from India, Brazil, the Caribbean, and Mexico.
Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though
common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh,
Malaysia, and Mexico. Recently there was a virulent outbreak
of dengue fever inWebb County, Texas, which borders Mexico.
Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic
fever routinely kills.
Polio was eradicated fromAmerica, but now reappears in illegal
immigrants, as do intestinal parasites. Malaria was obliterated,
but now is re-emerging inTexas. About 4,000 children under age
five annually in America develop fever, red eyes, “strawberry
tongue,” and acute inflammation of their coronary arteries and
other blood vessels because of the infectious malady called
Kawasaki disease. Many suffer heart attacks and sudden death
Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or
“kissing bug disease is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which
prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it
carries, , infects 18 million people annually in
Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. This disease also
infiltrates America’s blood supply. Chagas affects blood
transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of
blood recipients may be silently infected. After 10 to 20 years, up
to 30 percent will die when their hearts or intestines, enlarged and
weakened by Chagas, burst. Three people in 2001 received
Chagas-infected organ transplants.Two died.
Leprosy, a scourge in Biblical days and in medieval Europe, so
horribly destroys flesh and faces it was called the “disease of the
soul.” Lepers quarantined in leprosaria sounded noisemakers when
they ventured out to warn people to stay far away. Leprosy, Hansen’s
disease, was so rare inAmerica that in 40 years only 900 people were
afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than
7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern
states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy
from India, Brazil, the Caribbean, and Mexico.
Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though
common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh,
Malaysia, and Mexico. Recently there was a virulent outbreak
of dengue fever inWebb County, Texas, which borders Mexico.
Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic
fever routinely kills.
Polio was eradicated fromAmerica, but now reappears in illegal
immigrants, as do intestinal parasites. Malaria was obliterated,
but now is re-emerging inTexas. About 4,000 children under age
five annually in America develop fever, red eyes, “strawberry
tongue,” and acute inflammation of their coronary arteries and
other blood vessels because of the infectious malady called
Kawasaki disease. Many suffer heart attacks and sudden death
reefraff
Active Member
If you have blood pressure issues this article may not be for you
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=43275
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=43275
nigerbang
Active Member
I mean really...Is it too much to ask that : You speak OUR language(not force yours on us)
Pay the same tax we do
Pay for hospital bills to have your Anchor's
Learn a few facts about US history....
Ohh wait...Thats part of going through the Naturalization process...
Give me your tired, hungry, and poor....Hell with that....Americans are tired hungry and poor...
It pisses me off to walk into Burger-King and see the menu in Spanish..
Pay the same tax we do
Pay for hospital bills to have your Anchor's
Learn a few facts about US history....
Ohh wait...Thats part of going through the Naturalization process...
Give me your tired, hungry, and poor....Hell with that....Americans are tired hungry and poor...
It pisses me off to walk into Burger-King and see the menu in Spanish..
sciknen
Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2495396
Not hard to find information when you base your opinions on facts
i love it lol
totally agree with you
http:///forum/post/2495396
Not hard to find information when you base your opinions on facts
i love it lol
totally agree with you
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by NigerBang
http:///forum/post/2495409
I mean really...Is it too much to ask that : You speak OUR language(not force yours on us)
Pay the same tax we do
Pay for hospital bills to have your Anchor's
Learn a few facts about US history....
Ohh wait...Thats part of going through the Naturalization process...
Give me your tired, hungry, and poor....Hell with that....Americans are tired hungry and poor...
It pisses me off to walk into Burger-King and see the menu in Spanish..
I generally walk back out when I see that crap. Only place I want to have to speak spanish is in a good Mexican food place.
http:///forum/post/2495409
I mean really...Is it too much to ask that : You speak OUR language(not force yours on us)
Pay the same tax we do
Pay for hospital bills to have your Anchor's
Learn a few facts about US history....
Ohh wait...Thats part of going through the Naturalization process...
Give me your tired, hungry, and poor....Hell with that....Americans are tired hungry and poor...
It pisses me off to walk into Burger-King and see the menu in Spanish..
I generally walk back out when I see that crap. Only place I want to have to speak spanish is in a good Mexican food place.
stdreb27
Active Member
I still fail to see why we need wide spread immigration reform. All we need to do is enforce our laws already on the books. And maybe cut some loopholes that allow illeagals already caught to dissapear.
If immigration isn't an issue of prejudice. (simpler said than done.) The solution is simple, We need to let the honest hard working mexicans in while keeping the crooks out. Personally I'll take someone who is willing to cross a desert on foot because they believe America is still the land of opportunity. Then a poor lazy american who won't get off the couch that I paid for through welfare, and walk across the street and get a job at a gas station. As long as we don't support them through our failing entitlement program. I know when my Grandfather was nationalised he had to sign a waver saying he would never be a burdon to the state. (and he was an american citizen at that point) I don't see why we can't continue that practice.
If immigration isn't an issue of prejudice. (simpler said than done.) The solution is simple, We need to let the honest hard working mexicans in while keeping the crooks out. Personally I'll take someone who is willing to cross a desert on foot because they believe America is still the land of opportunity. Then a poor lazy american who won't get off the couch that I paid for through welfare, and walk across the street and get a job at a gas station. As long as we don't support them through our failing entitlement program. I know when my Grandfather was nationalised he had to sign a waver saying he would never be a burdon to the state. (and he was an american citizen at that point) I don't see why we can't continue that practice.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by sciknen
http:///forum/post/2495470
the whole spanish thing isnt a prob for me
but i think everyone shud speak english
im from boston
and i guess i just dont see it as much
I grew up in SoCal, Amazing when people give you a dirty look because you don't se habla. It happens a lot. From there went to Phoenix, same thing. 13 years in Western Montana. Amazing. Did you know there are hotel maids, busboys and janators that speak perfect english? Now live outside Denver, back to square 1
I think once you've lived it there is a big difference.
http:///forum/post/2495470
the whole spanish thing isnt a prob for me
but i think everyone shud speak english
im from boston
and i guess i just dont see it as much
I grew up in SoCal, Amazing when people give you a dirty look because you don't se habla. It happens a lot. From there went to Phoenix, same thing. 13 years in Western Montana. Amazing. Did you know there are hotel maids, busboys and janators that speak perfect english? Now live outside Denver, back to square 1
I think once you've lived it there is a big difference.