How would you handle it?

al mc

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Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/2549268
The police will refer you to animal control as the dog is not running loose and posing an immediate danger to the public.
The ASCPA in Philly would also be a good resource for additional info and options on how to proceed.

Philly SPCA: 215-426-6300 or www.pspca.org
 
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tizzo

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If you call a lawyer and say you want THAT guys home owners insurance to pay for it, then that company can pretty much force them to get rid of the dog.
I think that if that dog got to your child, then it was running loose. It doesn't even matter if your daughter was in the house. If that dog is a potential danger, and the owners negleted the precautions necessary, then they are liable. But you have to file a report and you have to take her to the hospital in order for them to have anything to pay for.
By this post, I am not advocating suing, I am advocating responsibilty. If they will not be responsible then maybe the insurance co will make them!
Besides, I would worry about bacteria infections with any animal bite.
And by any chance, is your wife friends with them?? Cause to think you are taking this to far is kinda...not what I am thinking.
Had you done nothing, would make me mad!
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2549301
If you call a lawywer and say you want THAT guys home owners insurance to pay for it, then that company can pretty much force them to get rid of the dog.
I think that if that dog got to your child, then it was running loose. It doesn't even matter if your daughter was in the house. If that dog is a potential danger, and the owners negleted the precautions necessary, then they are liable. But you have to file a report and you have to take her to the hospital in order for them to have anything to pay for.
By this post, I am not advocating suing, I am advocating responsibilty. If they will not be responsible then maybe the insurance co will make them!
Besides, I would worry about bacteria infections with any animal bite.
Very well said.
 

nyyankeees

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2549301
If you call a lawywer and say you want THAT guys home owners insurance to pay for it, then that company can pretty much force them to get rid of the dog.
This is true, at least in NY anyway. My parent's home owners insurance was sued for $10,000 for their pit's attack. Then they had to send documented proof that they no longer owned the dog(ie: it was deceased) or they could be dropped by their ins. co.
A lot of info: http://www.dogbitelaw.com
 
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tizzo

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When we tried to rent a house down here in Fl, the only pet that would keep us out is a pit. They said homeowner policies would not cover you if a pit was in the house.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2549318
When we tried to rent a house down here in Fl, the only pet that would keep us out is a pit. They said homeowner policies would not cover you if a pit was in the house.
The whole anti-pit thing is way overblown.I bet pits arent even the breed that bites the most people every year.
Anyway back to the topic,when i was 14 my neighbors doberman trotted up to me as i was sitting on the couch and went friggin crazy on me.Tore my ear partially off and tore up my forearms.For no reason,the dog was a biter.The only thing that saved me was a marble book end.R.I.P Fido ....Dog bites hurt like heck and if you ever see a kid with a chunk missing off his/her lip or face its most likely a dogbite.People need to be very very careful with dogs and kids,and if they cant do that they should be allowed to have a dog.
 

groupergenius

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It all boils down to CYA trainfever. Get it documented with the aspca and see what they can do for you.
I have 4 dogs, 1 being a mutt that was dumped with 3 of his brothers by my house. He is obviously part Pit in his muscular structure. The most unbelievably loving dog we have....but you hear that all the time about Pits, Labs, Shepards, Rotts, etc. etc....
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2549338
The whole anti-pit thing is way overblown.I bet pits arent even the breed that bites the most people every year.
Anyway back to the topic,when i was 14 my neighbors doberman trotted up to me as i was sitting on the couch and when friggin crazy on me.Tore my ear partially off and tore up my forearms.For no reason,the dog was a biter.The only thing that saved me was a marble book end.R.I.P Fido ....Dog bites hurt like heck and if you ever see a kid with a chunk missing off his/her lip or face its most likely a dogbite.People need to be very very careful with dogs and kids,and if they cant do that they should be allowed to have a dog.
Difference is, aggressive Pits usually don't quit an attack. And not too aggressive Pits still bite....really hard.
 

teresaq

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dog bites can very very nasty, and become infected. I would take your daughter to her doc, and make sure she has a tetanus shot, and she may need a antibiotic. The doc will document and report to animal services.
I was bitten by my mothers cat, and she had to be QT for 2 weeks. They almost had to put her down, but because of the circumstances the cat was spared. the cat was in a cage with kittens and I reached in because a kitten was stuck. Mommy cat didn't like me messing with her crying baby.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2549345
Difference is, aggressive Pits usually don't quit an attack. And not too aggressive Pits still bite....really hard.
Sounds like my Akita i used to have,growled at my 1st born and had to get rid of her.She loved people but hated other animals especially my German Shepard.
 

1journeyman

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Demand to see the Vet records for the dog.
Report the incident to the police and Animal Control.
Your daughter will be angry with you and your wife may be angry with you. So what? They will get over it; If the dog gets past the neighbor's daughter next time and takes down a little kid you'll never get over it.
 

reefraff

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Just so you know where I am coming from I think 90% of the phobias people have about pitbulls are unfounded. The fact the dog bit your daughter and let go means it not viscious (SP?) and likely didn't do any more damage than any other large dog would have. Dogs can bite for a lot of reasons we don't understand and not being there first hand its hard to say what provoked this dog.
So it's obvious I am not in the anti pit camp. What those people did in not telling you your daughter had been bitten was completly unethical and irresponsible. I would make their lives miserable and do what it takes to make them get rid of the dog. They are too irresponsible to own a pitbull.
 

gmann1139

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1. Most states have a 'two bites and you're put down' rule. I know NY State was looking into making that 'one bite.' I understand that logic from the perspective of if you own a 'big, aggressive' breed like a Pit Bull, you should know that the dog needs to be watched.
From what I've seen, there's never been a comprehensive study that was able to tie in how many dogs are out there versus reported bites to predict which breeds are most likely to bite.
However, studies have been done that showed that Pits were responsible for almost a third of dog-bite fatalities. And I'm willing to bet most of those victims weren't adult men.
Report it to the Police/Animal Control. Get your daughter checked out, and the dog quarantined. For all you know, this isn't the first time that dog has bitten someone.
 

nyyankeees

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2549338
The whole anti-pit thing is way overblown.I bet pits arent even the breed that bites the most people every year.
They're in the top 3 which is good enough for me never to own one.

Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People, has conducted an unusually detailed study of dog bites from 1982 to the present. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.) The Clifton study show the number of serious canine-inflicted injuries by breed. The author's observations about the breeds and generally how to deal with the dangerous dog problem are enlightening.
According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:
If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.
 

tangman99

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As everyone has said, make sure you report it and have it documented. I personally would not let my kid around a pit bull at all.
 

veni vidi vici

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Here are some pretty eye opening stats:
Facts & Stats about Dog Bites & Dog Aggression
There are approximately 4.5 million reported dog bites annually in the United States (nearly 2% of the American population). The majority of dog bites are never reported to local authorities.
40% of American dog owners acquired pets primarily for protection-including German shepherds, Rottweilers, mastiffs and Doberman pinschers. (Source: New York Times, 2/26/01)
Nationwide, U.S. Postal Service carriers suffered 3,423 dog attacks and bites in 2003.
According to the American Medical Association, dog bites are the second leading cause of childhood injury, surpassing playground accidents.
Dog bites to people of the male gender are approximately two times greater than the incidence involving females.
Dogs that are licensed with an identifiable owner are implicated in the vast majority of dog bites (compared with strays).
Dogs not known to the victim account for approximately 10 - 20% of all reported dog bites.
Dog between one and five years are involved in more dog bite incidences than dogs older than 6 years. Male dogs are more frequently involved when compared with female dogs.
Mixed breeds and not pure bred dogs are the type of dog most often involved in inflicting bites to people. The pure-bred dogs most often involved are German shepherds and Chow chows.
The list of breeds most involved in both bite injuries and fatalities changes from year to year and from one area of the country to another, depending on the popularity of the breed.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention document that a chained dog is 2.8 times more likely to bite than an unchained dog. Click here for a news story about a mauling of a 4 year old child by a chained pit bull
Of the estimated 4.7 million people who were bitten by dogs in 1994, 800,000 sought medical care. Of these, 332,000 needed treatment in emergency rooms, and 6,000 were hospitalized. The average hospital stay for a dog-bite injury was 3.6 days.
Emergency room costs for dog bite victims in the United States was about $102 million in 1994, and overall direct medical costs was about $165 million.
The majority of dog bites to adult humans are inflicted to the lower extremities followed by bites to the upper extremities including the head, face and neck. For children, 77% of dog bite injuries are to facial areas.
According to the Insurance Information Institute, dog bites accounted for about one-quarter of all claims on homeowner's insurance, costing more than $321 million in 2003. In 2002, the latest year for which numbers are available, the average claim for a dog bite was $16,600.
Dog attacks account for one-third of all liability claims on homeowners' insurance policies. According to the Western Insurance Information Service, the insurance industry paid out more than $1 billion in dog-bite claims in 1998 alone.
From 1979 to 1996, dog attacks resulted in more than 300 human dog bite related deaths in the United States. Most of the victims were children.
Approximately 20 people die every year as a result of a dog attack in the United States. By far, the majority of the victims are children.
In the two year period from 1997 to 1998, twenty-seven people died as a result of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997, and 9 in 1998).
Annually in the United States there are approximately 20 human fatalities directly resulting from a dog attack; this number is miniscule compared with human fatalities caused by gunshot (approximately 12,000 annually), accidents (approximately 100,000 annually) or health related disease processes (click here for table) (Click here for commentary on this subject)
 

veni vidi vici

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The breeds most often involved in fatal attacks are Rottweilers and Pit bulls.
In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks.
Of the 27 people who died as a result of dog bite attacks in 1997 and 1998, 67% involved unrestrained dogs on the owner's property; 19% involved unrestrained dogs off the owner's property; 11% involved restrained dogs on the owner's property; and 4% involved a restrained dog off the owner's property.
Of the 27 people who died as a result of dog bite attacks during 1997 and 1998, 67% involved an attack by one dog; 19% involved an attack by two dogs; and 15% involved an attack by 3 or more dogs.
From 1979 to 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these incidences.
In a study reported by a retired professor from California State University at Chino, Robert Plum, it was found that one dog in 55 will bite someone seriously during the course of a year. With respect to breed differences in the tendency to inflict serious injury, Plumb estimates that when a pit bull bites a human, one in 16 (e.g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds.
 

trainfever

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Thank you everyone for your reply. Its very comforting knowing that the majority of you feel that I am not over reacting to this. I plan on showing this thread to my wife, although she may not read it because she hates it when she is wrong, and even more so when I am right.
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by trainfever
http:///forum/post/2549405
Thank you everyone for your reply. Its very comforting knowing that the majority of you feel that I am not over reacting to this. I plan on showing this thread to my wife, although she may not read it because she hates it when she is wrong, and even more so when I am right.
Ya might want to edit your last one there before she reads it though.
 

jacknjill

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Im not a fan of pitbulls myself either, nor is my dad. One day a pitbull got loose and walked down our street. Literally moms ran outside in a panic to get their kids inside as quickly as possible and 3 or 4 men worked together to catch the dog and figure out whose house it had escaped from. Ive seen what they can do before and my dad, who is a police officer has had many encounters with them. They can turn at any moment. I will never own one
 
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