Hows that hopey changey think working out for you Part 114
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nihoa
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such drivel. you do know there are plenty of countries in the west with universal healthcare and none of them dictate what foods you can buy? or anything else for that matter. whether its health care or gay marriage or any other social issue you like to cry the sky will fall should they ever come about but outside your bubble pretty well every western country has universal health care without death panels or any of the crap you are talking about.
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114#post_3414451
Next will be we can't buy food that will be a burden on healthcare. Then, what cars or trucks we can buy so as to have the least impact on society and health. That carpet in your house is putting off too much VOC's, you must now buy new carpet. Most chilling, guns are so dangerous and cost so much to the healthcare system they can now be banned or only guns with fingerprint technology can only be purchased/owned. This law sets the precedent that the government has the right to tell every citizen what they must or cannot buy. This is every liberals dream.
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114#post_3414451
Next will be we can't buy food that will be a burden on healthcare. Then, what cars or trucks we can buy so as to have the least impact on society and health. That carpet in your house is putting off too much VOC's, you must now buy new carpet. Most chilling, guns are so dangerous and cost so much to the healthcare system they can now be banned or only guns with fingerprint technology can only be purchased/owned. This law sets the precedent that the government has the right to tell every citizen what they must or cannot buy. This is every liberals dream.
tangs rule
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Originally Posted by Nihoa http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414604
such drivel. you do know there are plenty of countries in the west with universal healthcare and none of them dictate what foods you can buy? or anything else for that matter. whether its health care or gay marriage or any other social issue you like to cry the sky will fall should they ever come about but outside your bubble pretty well every western country has universal health care without death panels or any of the crap you are talking about.
Yes we absolutly are aware of these other countries STATE RUN health care systems - that's why the richer patients of those countries come to the USA for care, versus waiting on some list for care that may never come, or at least come before they die.
But I'm sure all these Canada types that "go south" for surgery, radilogical treatments, and major medical proceedures do cause the Canadian healthcare system has acheived perfection - and they want substandard care, paid for out of their own pockets........yup, that sounds logical......
Originally Posted by Nihoa http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414604
such drivel. you do know there are plenty of countries in the west with universal healthcare and none of them dictate what foods you can buy? or anything else for that matter. whether its health care or gay marriage or any other social issue you like to cry the sky will fall should they ever come about but outside your bubble pretty well every western country has universal health care without death panels or any of the crap you are talking about.
Yes we absolutly are aware of these other countries STATE RUN health care systems - that's why the richer patients of those countries come to the USA for care, versus waiting on some list for care that may never come, or at least come before they die.
But I'm sure all these Canada types that "go south" for surgery, radilogical treatments, and major medical proceedures do cause the Canadian healthcare system has acheived perfection - and they want substandard care, paid for out of their own pockets........yup, that sounds logical......
reefraff
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I lived in a town in Montana called Missoula which is a bit of a health care hub. I met several Canadians there seeking medical treatment and a friend who is a nurse there said it was pretty common. It isn't so much they cant get the operation or test in Canada, it's that they don't want to wait months on end to get it done. If you fall and break your arm the care is great. If the bone nits back together wrong and you need corrective surgery not so much. At l;east thats the stories I got.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114#post_3414451
Next will be we can't buy food that will be a burden on healthcare. Then, what cars or trucks we can buy so as to have the least impact on society and health. That carpet in your house is putting off too much VOC's, you must now buy new carpet. Most chilling, guns are so dangerous and cost so much to the healthcare system they can now be banned or only guns with fingerprint technology can only be purchased/owned. This law sets the precedent that the government has the right to tell every citizen what they must or cannot buy. This is every liberals dream.
Paranoia will destroy ya'! You are such a fatalist. You live in your Arizona bubble where you have to look over your shoulder all the time worrying whether one of them Mezkins will jump out and stab you. You chide a federal healthcare system, but you have no problem driving on Federal roads, getting federal assiistance when a disaster hits your home, those Border Agents you wish you had more of, those drugs you take because you know that someone has tested them to the point to where they shouldn't kill you, that plane ride you take on occassion knowing that there's someone out there directing air traffic. When you get older, don't take SS or Medicare, fend for yourself. Put that huge wall up around your domicile, drill you a well, plant you a garden, raise you a cow, and you'll never have to worry about government intrusion again.
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114#post_3414451
Next will be we can't buy food that will be a burden on healthcare. Then, what cars or trucks we can buy so as to have the least impact on society and health. That carpet in your house is putting off too much VOC's, you must now buy new carpet. Most chilling, guns are so dangerous and cost so much to the healthcare system they can now be banned or only guns with fingerprint technology can only be purchased/owned. This law sets the precedent that the government has the right to tell every citizen what they must or cannot buy. This is every liberals dream.
Paranoia will destroy ya'! You are such a fatalist. You live in your Arizona bubble where you have to look over your shoulder all the time worrying whether one of them Mezkins will jump out and stab you. You chide a federal healthcare system, but you have no problem driving on Federal roads, getting federal assiistance when a disaster hits your home, those Border Agents you wish you had more of, those drugs you take because you know that someone has tested them to the point to where they shouldn't kill you, that plane ride you take on occassion knowing that there's someone out there directing air traffic. When you get older, don't take SS or Medicare, fend for yourself. Put that huge wall up around your domicile, drill you a well, plant you a garden, raise you a cow, and you'll never have to worry about government intrusion again.
mantisman51
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Originally Posted by Nihoa http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414604
such drivel. you do know there are plenty of countries in the west with universal healthcare and none of them dictate what foods you can buy? or anything else for that matter. whether its health care or gay marriage or any other social issue you like to cry the sky will fall should they ever come about but outside your bubble pretty well every western country has universal health care without death panels or any of the crap you are talking about.
Really? Several "progressive" cities haven't banned trans fats? The health Nazis haven't been trying to ban tobacco? You mean there aren't places that have placed limits on VOC's in paint and carpet? You mean liberals are so trustworthy and well-meaning they would never use the massive power they now have with Obamacare to ram through what they have failed at legislatively for the last couple decades? Nihoa, you are what makes people like me scared to death for our country. Everything I listed is what liberals have and are trying to get shoved through locally and nationally. Not "what might be", but but what IS being attempted right now. What gets me angry is that liberals like you love to be on forums like this and portray we who are exposing what liberals(like you) are up to as kooks, but when you speak with your liberal pals, you know dang well, you applaud this garbage. You and libs like you are so dishonest because you know that if the country knew what you folks really wanted, they wouldn't get elected in friggin New York much less anywhere else in this country. It's all about incrimentalism.
Originally Posted by Nihoa http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414604
such drivel. you do know there are plenty of countries in the west with universal healthcare and none of them dictate what foods you can buy? or anything else for that matter. whether its health care or gay marriage or any other social issue you like to cry the sky will fall should they ever come about but outside your bubble pretty well every western country has universal health care without death panels or any of the crap you are talking about.
Really? Several "progressive" cities haven't banned trans fats? The health Nazis haven't been trying to ban tobacco? You mean there aren't places that have placed limits on VOC's in paint and carpet? You mean liberals are so trustworthy and well-meaning they would never use the massive power they now have with Obamacare to ram through what they have failed at legislatively for the last couple decades? Nihoa, you are what makes people like me scared to death for our country. Everything I listed is what liberals have and are trying to get shoved through locally and nationally. Not "what might be", but but what IS being attempted right now. What gets me angry is that liberals like you love to be on forums like this and portray we who are exposing what liberals(like you) are up to as kooks, but when you speak with your liberal pals, you know dang well, you applaud this garbage. You and libs like you are so dishonest because you know that if the country knew what you folks really wanted, they wouldn't get elected in friggin New York much less anywhere else in this country. It's all about incrimentalism.
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414622
I lived in a town in Montana called Missoula which is a bit of a health care hub. I met several Canadians there seeking medical treatment and a friend who is a nurse there said it was pretty common. It isn't so much they cant get the operation or test in Canada, it's that they don't want to wait months on end to get it done. If you fall and break your arm the care is great. If the bone nits back together wrong and you need corrective surgery not so much. At l;east thats the stories I got.
That is what I heard from many as well, when I lived in Minneapolis.
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414622
I lived in a town in Montana called Missoula which is a bit of a health care hub. I met several Canadians there seeking medical treatment and a friend who is a nurse there said it was pretty common. It isn't so much they cant get the operation or test in Canada, it's that they don't want to wait months on end to get it done. If you fall and break your arm the care is great. If the bone nits back together wrong and you need corrective surgery not so much. At l;east thats the stories I got.
That is what I heard from many as well, when I lived in Minneapolis.
mantisman51
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414694
That is what I heard from many as well, when I lived in Minneapolis.
That's true here in Az. We get a lot of Canadian snowbirds and I have spoke with many who say they wait for the winter migration to Az to get a lot of medical care done. Apparently in Canada's system seniors are very low on the priority list and have to wait several month for preventative care and what they get is often just enough to get by. Seems from what they have told me it is that the younger, working age people are given priority.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414694
That is what I heard from many as well, when I lived in Minneapolis.
That's true here in Az. We get a lot of Canadian snowbirds and I have spoke with many who say they wait for the winter migration to Az to get a lot of medical care done. Apparently in Canada's system seniors are very low on the priority list and have to wait several month for preventative care and what they get is often just enough to get by. Seems from what they have told me it is that the younger, working age people are given priority.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414697
Seems from what they have told me it is that the younger, working age people are given priority.
LOL! Haven't heard that but it does sound remarkably similar to a "death panel".
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414697
Seems from what they have told me it is that the younger, working age people are given priority.
LOL! Haven't heard that but it does sound remarkably similar to a "death panel".
mantisman51
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To put the conversations in context, it was when I was getting regular treatment for my back. I met many Canadians there who said even for extreme back injuries, it was common for 9 and 10 month waits for any kind of surgery for seniors, while younger folks would be in, out and done in that time.
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nihoa
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what rich people do with their money is no reflection on the state of the healthcare system. there are plenty of americans and people from all over that go to thailand and other places for medical tourism just as some canucks go to the states.
your argument is a common one and doesnt hold water. you do not have to wait in canada for critical services, you will not die waiting for treatment. i went in for an ear infection to find i had a lump in my head. despite living in a less populous part of the country where wait times can be longer my cat scan and mri were done within days and i was booked for surgery the following week. if its serious its handled immediately. less critical services there is a wait but thats just the cost of it being free. if you need a knee replacement you might have to wait a couple months but most of us are ok with that knowing that anyone who needs it can get it and that we wont be drowned in debt over it. any procedure done in the states can be done here and its just a matter of how its accessed. our system is no different than the other > 30 countries with similar healthcare and youll be hard pressed to find people dying in the streets waiting for care.
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Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414615
Yes we absolutly are aware of these other countries STATE RUN health care systems - that's why the richer patients of those countries come to the USA for care, versus waiting on some list for care that may never come, or at least come before they die.
But I'm sure all these Canada types that "go south" for surgery, radilogical treatments, and major medical proceedures do cause the Canadian healthcare system has acheived perfection - and they want substandard care, paid for out of their own pockets........yup, that sounds logical......
your argument is a common one and doesnt hold water. you do not have to wait in canada for critical services, you will not die waiting for treatment. i went in for an ear infection to find i had a lump in my head. despite living in a less populous part of the country where wait times can be longer my cat scan and mri were done within days and i was booked for surgery the following week. if its serious its handled immediately. less critical services there is a wait but thats just the cost of it being free. if you need a knee replacement you might have to wait a couple months but most of us are ok with that knowing that anyone who needs it can get it and that we wont be drowned in debt over it. any procedure done in the states can be done here and its just a matter of how its accessed. our system is no different than the other > 30 countries with similar healthcare and youll be hard pressed to find people dying in the streets waiting for care.
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Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414615
Yes we absolutly are aware of these other countries STATE RUN health care systems - that's why the richer patients of those countries come to the USA for care, versus waiting on some list for care that may never come, or at least come before they die.
But I'm sure all these Canada types that "go south" for surgery, radilogical treatments, and major medical proceedures do cause the Canadian healthcare system has acheived perfection - and they want substandard care, paid for out of their own pockets........yup, that sounds logical......
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nihoa
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everything in your head that you disagree with is some liberal conspiracy. something that explains everything explains nothing. which is to say banning trans fats has nothing to do with a lib agenda to turn america into some commie state but maybe, just maybe they are actually bad for you???? and even if it were a liberal issue how would it be any different than the right trying to ban abortion or gay marriage? the evil left wants to take away your rights to eat trans fat which is completely unacceptable but stripping a woman of her right to an abortion or denying homosexuals equal rights in marriage is right on? it seems to me most arguments in the states have less to do with the issue and more about not wanting to be told what to do even if its in your best interest.
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414673
Really? Several "progressive" cities haven't banned trans fats? The health Nazis haven't been trying to ban tobacco? You mean there aren't places that have placed limits on VOC's in paint and carpet? You mean liberals are so trustworthy and well-meaning they would never use the massive power they now have with Obamacare to ram through what they have failed at legislatively for the last couple decades? Nihoa, you are what makes people like me scared to death for our country. Everything I listed is what liberals have and are trying to get shoved through locally and nationally. Not "what might be", but but what IS being attempted right now. What gets me angry is that liberals like you love to be on forums like this and portray we who are exposing what liberals(like you) are up to as kooks, but when you speak with your liberal pals, you know dang well, you applaud this garbage. You and libs like you are so dishonest because you know that if the country knew what you folks really wanted, they wouldn't get elected in friggin New York much less anywhere else in this country. It's all about incrimentalism.
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414673
Really? Several "progressive" cities haven't banned trans fats? The health Nazis haven't been trying to ban tobacco? You mean there aren't places that have placed limits on VOC's in paint and carpet? You mean liberals are so trustworthy and well-meaning they would never use the massive power they now have with Obamacare to ram through what they have failed at legislatively for the last couple decades? Nihoa, you are what makes people like me scared to death for our country. Everything I listed is what liberals have and are trying to get shoved through locally and nationally. Not "what might be", but but what IS being attempted right now. What gets me angry is that liberals like you love to be on forums like this and portray we who are exposing what liberals(like you) are up to as kooks, but when you speak with your liberal pals, you know dang well, you applaud this garbage. You and libs like you are so dishonest because you know that if the country knew what you folks really wanted, they wouldn't get elected in friggin New York much less anywhere else in this country. It's all about incrimentalism.
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by Nihoa http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414712
what rich people do with their money is no reflection on the state of the healthcare system. there are plenty of americans and people from all over that go to thailand and other places for medical tourism just as some canucks go to the states.
your argument is a common one and doesnt hold water. you do not have to wait in canada for critical services, you will not die waiting for treatment. i went in for an ear infection to find i had a lump in my head. despite living in a less populous part of the country where wait times can be longer my cat scan and mri were done within days and i was booked for surgery the following week. if its serious its handled immediately. less critical services there is a wait but thats just the cost of it being free. if you need a knee replacement you might have to wait a couple months but most of us are ok with that knowing that anyone who needs it can get it and that we wont be drowned in debt over it. any procedure done in the states can be done here and its just a matter of how its accessed. our system is no different than the other > 30 countries with similar healthcare and youll be hard pressed to find people dying in the streets waiting for care.
Psssst. It isn't free.
And didn't your government just undergo a bunch of budget cuts, because the heathcare cost was grow to a high level for the government? Obviously, it isn't sustainable, as Canada is not the only country with "free" heathcare to start cutting the heathcare budget. I wonder how much would be cut if the U.S. would start pumping their own oil instead of purchasing 1/3 of it from Canada.
Originally Posted by Nihoa http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414712
what rich people do with their money is no reflection on the state of the healthcare system. there are plenty of americans and people from all over that go to thailand and other places for medical tourism just as some canucks go to the states.
your argument is a common one and doesnt hold water. you do not have to wait in canada for critical services, you will not die waiting for treatment. i went in for an ear infection to find i had a lump in my head. despite living in a less populous part of the country where wait times can be longer my cat scan and mri were done within days and i was booked for surgery the following week. if its serious its handled immediately. less critical services there is a wait but thats just the cost of it being free. if you need a knee replacement you might have to wait a couple months but most of us are ok with that knowing that anyone who needs it can get it and that we wont be drowned in debt over it. any procedure done in the states can be done here and its just a matter of how its accessed. our system is no different than the other > 30 countries with similar healthcare and youll be hard pressed to find people dying in the streets waiting for care.
Psssst. It isn't free.
And didn't your government just undergo a bunch of budget cuts, because the heathcare cost was grow to a high level for the government? Obviously, it isn't sustainable, as Canada is not the only country with "free" heathcare to start cutting the heathcare budget. I wonder how much would be cut if the U.S. would start pumping their own oil instead of purchasing 1/3 of it from Canada.
mantisman51
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Originally Posted by Nihoa http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414715
everything in your head that you disagree with is some liberal conspiracy. something that explains everything explains nothing. which is to say banning trans fats has nothing to do with a lib agenda to turn america into some commie state but maybe, just maybe they are actually bad for you???? and even if it were a liberal issue how would it be any different than the right trying to ban abortion or gay marriage? the evil left wants to take away your rights to eat trans fat which is completely unacceptable but stripping a woman of her right to an abortion or denying homosexuals equal rights in marriage is right on? it seems to me most arguments in the states have less to do with the issue and more about not wanting to be told what to do even if its in your best interest.
Pay no attention to what they are saying or doing. Just trust they have our best interests at heart.
Great plan!
Originally Posted by Nihoa http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414715
everything in your head that you disagree with is some liberal conspiracy. something that explains everything explains nothing. which is to say banning trans fats has nothing to do with a lib agenda to turn america into some commie state but maybe, just maybe they are actually bad for you???? and even if it were a liberal issue how would it be any different than the right trying to ban abortion or gay marriage? the evil left wants to take away your rights to eat trans fat which is completely unacceptable but stripping a woman of her right to an abortion or denying homosexuals equal rights in marriage is right on? it seems to me most arguments in the states have less to do with the issue and more about not wanting to be told what to do even if its in your best interest.
Pay no attention to what they are saying or doing. Just trust they have our best interests at heart.
mantisman51
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p.s. I am enjoying this discussion, so I hope we can continue without a thread lock. Let's look at who's changing the law. Was abortion or homosexual marriage previously legal and the right took it away? Or did the left decide that we all must now go along with what they think is important?
tangs rule
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Originally Posted by Nihoa http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414715
everything in your head that you disagree with is some liberal conspiracy. something that explains everything explains nothing. which is to say banning trans fats has nothing to do with a lib agenda to turn america into some commie state but maybe, just maybe they are actually bad for you???? and even if it were a liberal issue how would it be any different than the right trying to ban abortion or gay marriage? the evil left wants to take away your rights to eat trans fat which is completely unacceptable but stripping a woman of her right to an abortion or denying homosexuals equal rights in marriage is right on? it seems to me most arguments in the states have less to do with the issue and more about not wanting to be told what to do even if its in your best interest.
In my best interest.......
I am so glad you believe that a state (government) entity knows absolute. In total. In-arguably. And cannot be wrong - ever - - - what's in my BEST INTEREST????......I guess I'll just trust MY government to know best in ALL issues regarding everything........Oops - there's ONE problem with this all knowing government model - - - I would not ask a Jewish person in Germany circa 1937 - 1945 to trust THEIR government in total - cause after exterminating 6 million of them, Jews were gettin kinda scarce by the end of Adolfs' term running Deutschland - - Who's best interest was the holocost??.............But your logic dictates the "system" knew best and the "leaders" have a plan.........I'm sure they DO.......I guess Stalin accidentally wiped out 20 million or so of his fellow citizens on pure accident. Was he "Managing or Mandating" those soles care?? .. . . Ever heard of "trust but verify"? Reagan said it 30 years ago and it's more true today than then! Mao and Pol Pot also had "best intrests" at hear - though who's I cannot decern.ot
Liberalism, Progressivism, and Communism all have a historical trait - That is, eventually there's a stack of government funded human bodies piled up like firewood somewhere - - and taxpayer funded abortion (which is the goal of any govt. run healthcare system in the Modern Day) is only the start of a demonic process determined to control the populus. Next comes the elderly - cause their productive years are complete - so why should a government have them around? After that comes the mentally/physically disabled.....What do they do?? Then who's next? me or you?
Originally Posted by Nihoa http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414715
everything in your head that you disagree with is some liberal conspiracy. something that explains everything explains nothing. which is to say banning trans fats has nothing to do with a lib agenda to turn america into some commie state but maybe, just maybe they are actually bad for you???? and even if it were a liberal issue how would it be any different than the right trying to ban abortion or gay marriage? the evil left wants to take away your rights to eat trans fat which is completely unacceptable but stripping a woman of her right to an abortion or denying homosexuals equal rights in marriage is right on? it seems to me most arguments in the states have less to do with the issue and more about not wanting to be told what to do even if its in your best interest.
In my best interest.......
I am so glad you believe that a state (government) entity knows absolute. In total. In-arguably. And cannot be wrong - ever - - - what's in my BEST INTEREST????......I guess I'll just trust MY government to know best in ALL issues regarding everything........Oops - there's ONE problem with this all knowing government model - - - I would not ask a Jewish person in Germany circa 1937 - 1945 to trust THEIR government in total - cause after exterminating 6 million of them, Jews were gettin kinda scarce by the end of Adolfs' term running Deutschland - - Who's best interest was the holocost??.............But your logic dictates the "system" knew best and the "leaders" have a plan.........I'm sure they DO.......I guess Stalin accidentally wiped out 20 million or so of his fellow citizens on pure accident. Was he "Managing or Mandating" those soles care?? .. . . Ever heard of "trust but verify"? Reagan said it 30 years ago and it's more true today than then! Mao and Pol Pot also had "best intrests" at hear - though who's I cannot decern.ot
Liberalism, Progressivism, and Communism all have a historical trait - That is, eventually there's a stack of government funded human bodies piled up like firewood somewhere - - and taxpayer funded abortion (which is the goal of any govt. run healthcare system in the Modern Day) is only the start of a demonic process determined to control the populus. Next comes the elderly - cause their productive years are complete - so why should a government have them around? After that comes the mentally/physically disabled.....What do they do?? Then who's next? me or you?
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nihoa
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thats plain wrong and one has nothing to do with the other. canada ran surplus budgets until the global meltdown. the present cuts are to reduce the 40 or 50 billion dollar deficit that came from stimulus spending when the global economy went to hell. canada was the last to go into recession and the first to come out of it despite what you call the unsustainable burdens of social programmes.
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414716
Psssst. It isn't free.
And didn't your government just undergo a bunch of budget cuts, because the heathcare cost was grow to a high level for the government? Obviously, it isn't sustainable, as Canada is not the only country with "free" heathcare to start cutting the heathcare budget. I wonder how much would be cut if the U.S. would start pumping their own oil instead of purchasing 1/3 of it from Canada.
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414716
Psssst. It isn't free.
And didn't your government just undergo a bunch of budget cuts, because the heathcare cost was grow to a high level for the government? Obviously, it isn't sustainable, as Canada is not the only country with "free" heathcare to start cutting the heathcare budget. I wonder how much would be cut if the U.S. would start pumping their own oil instead of purchasing 1/3 of it from Canada.
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nihoa
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the longer a thread continues the greater the probability someone will eventually make a nazis comparison. sigh. i dont argue the state is always right and deserves complete trust, not in the least. i argue that there is a big difference between a gov banning trans fats and the extermination of a demographic of the population. govs are damned either way, if they try and ban something there will be people screaming about left wing big gov conspiracies but if they dont then its a left wing conspiracy to kill right wingers who love trans fat ladden foods. my point was that black and white, this or that thinking is dangerous, and not everything coming down the pipeline is poisonous.
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Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414747
In my best interest.......
I am so glad you believe that a state (government) entity knows absolute. In total. In-arguably. And cannot be wrong - ever - - - what's in my BEST INTEREST????......I guess I'll just trust MY government to know best in ALL issues regarding everything........Oops - there's ONE problem with this all knowing government model - - - I would not ask a Jewish person in Germany circa 1937 - 1945 to trust THEIR government in total - cause after exterminating 6 million of them, Jews were gettin kinda scarce by the end of Adolfs' term running Deutschland - - Who's best interest was the holocost??.............But your logic dictates the "system" knew best and the "leaders" have a plan.........I'm sure they DO.......I guess Stalin accidentally wiped out 20 million or so of his fellow citizens on pure accident. Was he "Managing or Mandating" those soles care?? .. . . Ever heard of "trust but verify"? Reagan said it 30 years ago and it's more true today than then! Mao and Pol Pot also had "best intrests" at hear - though who's I cannot decern.ot
Liberalism, Progressivism, and Communism all have a historical trait - That is, eventually there's a stack of government funded human bodies piled up like firewood somewhere - - and taxpayer funded abortion (which is the goal of any govt. run healthcare system in the Modern Day) is only the start of a demonic process determined to control the populus. Next comes the elderly - cause their productive years are complete - so why should a government have them around? After that comes the mentally/physically disabled.....What do they do?? Then who's next? me or you?
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Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414747
In my best interest.......
I am so glad you believe that a state (government) entity knows absolute. In total. In-arguably. And cannot be wrong - ever - - - what's in my BEST INTEREST????......I guess I'll just trust MY government to know best in ALL issues regarding everything........Oops - there's ONE problem with this all knowing government model - - - I would not ask a Jewish person in Germany circa 1937 - 1945 to trust THEIR government in total - cause after exterminating 6 million of them, Jews were gettin kinda scarce by the end of Adolfs' term running Deutschland - - Who's best interest was the holocost??.............But your logic dictates the "system" knew best and the "leaders" have a plan.........I'm sure they DO.......I guess Stalin accidentally wiped out 20 million or so of his fellow citizens on pure accident. Was he "Managing or Mandating" those soles care?? .. . . Ever heard of "trust but verify"? Reagan said it 30 years ago and it's more true today than then! Mao and Pol Pot also had "best intrests" at hear - though who's I cannot decern.ot
Liberalism, Progressivism, and Communism all have a historical trait - That is, eventually there's a stack of government funded human bodies piled up like firewood somewhere - - and taxpayer funded abortion (which is the goal of any govt. run healthcare system in the Modern Day) is only the start of a demonic process determined to control the populus. Next comes the elderly - cause their productive years are complete - so why should a government have them around? After that comes the mentally/physically disabled.....What do they do?? Then who's next? me or you?
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nihoa
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my 66 year old supervisor just got a knee replacement after waiting the exact length of time my fiances father, 20 years younger, did. the criteria is based on how extreme the injury is and the degree of debilitation, not age.
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414702
To put the conversations in context, it was when I was getting regular treatment for my back. I met many Canadians there who said even for extreme back injuries, it was common for 9 and 10 month waits for any kind of surgery for seniors, while younger folks would be in, out and done in that time.
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387751/hows-that-hopey-changey-think-working-out-for-you-part-114/20#post_3414702
To put the conversations in context, it was when I was getting regular treatment for my back. I met many Canadians there who said even for extreme back injuries, it was common for 9 and 10 month waits for any kind of surgery for seniors, while younger folks would be in, out and done in that time.